Bios not booting from vista usb after selecting

[quigg15405]

Question is in the title. I'm trying to install vista from usb (want to play fallout 3 without crashing!). I've converted it into a boot-able usb device (I'll show process bellow).

PC specs.
current OS: windows 7 64 bit
mobo: msi z87 gd65
cpu: i5 4670k
ram: corsair vengeance 4gb x 2
gpu: amd r9 280x
ssd: samsung (holds windows 7 64bit + apps)
hdd: x3

This is what happens:

After turning my pc on, I press f8 to bring up boot select. The usb with vista OS on it is showing up, I select and then it will just flash back to the MSI logo screen, giving me the option to press f8 to access boot options.

I should note that the boot options only shows the UEFI usb, which is fine because the usb has a bootmgr.efi file on it BUT yesterday it was showing the normal usb option, which I took and it would boot and start the installation (halted at 80% for an error). I'm mentioning this because when I plug in a different usb containing a windows 7 os, it will show both a UEFI usb option and the normal usb option. Not sure what that could mean.



Bootable usb vista process
CMD console
diskpart
list disk
select disk x
clean
create partition primary
select partition 1
active
formati fs=ntfs
assign
exit (takes me out of diskpart)
cd\
(i copy bootsect.exe from vista os and paste it in my d:\)
return to cmd

d:\bootsect.exe /nt60 h: (h: is my usb)

I then copy content of vista os .iso onto my usb drive.


Would love some help over here

 

[Tom Tancredi]

LAUGHS!

Okay stop please stop!

Listen, you can't "boot" Vista to 'run off a' USB (which is how you have it setup at the moment). I get your trying to "install Vista from a USB" but your failing at more on this.

1) VISTA is UNSUPPORTED OS and has finally been admitted to being a MISTAKE by the CEO
2) Vista does not understand nor SUPPORTED to understand UEFI last I checked. UEFI is software driven BIOS, and Vista was NOT on the list as a supported OS, so you can't get UEFI to use Vista / Vista to understand UEFI is saying
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Microsoft_Windows
"The 64-bit versions of Microsoft Windows Vista[29] and later, 32-bit versions of Windows 8, and the Itanium versions of Windows XP and Server 2003 can boot from disks with a partition size larger than 2 TiB."
3) Windows 7 prevents Vista from being installed, it will tell you (if you ever got that far) your system is already upgraded and won't let you install Vista. You would have to wipe the HDD first, then try as a clean unused system (if you got past the first two issues).

Now back to your issue: Your Goal is to play FallOut 3 on a Windows 7 PC without crashing yes? Then lets take a step back and do the 'basics' before trying to force a round peg into a triangle space.

Open Computer, Can Air dust out the bunnies and use paint brush on the vents, coolers, fans, etc.

Download and run SPECCY, copy and paste the first tab to tell us WHAT your computer is and your idle temps
Download and run MSI Afterburner, run Fallout 3, what temps are you getting when underload?
Did you install all Windows Updates Including options except BING?
Download and run Slim Drivers, install all the latest updates but you don't need to reboot until you do the last update
What Antivirus do you use? If MSE remove it immediately, or no AV, go to www.filehippo.com and download AVAST! or AVG and do a full system scan
Download Malwarebytes do a full system scan (AV doesn't pick up alot of malware)
What 'crash' is it? What is the file causing the error as displayed on the BSOD screen? More info on what 'error' is happening tells us more to look at then 'crashing game'.

 

[quigg15405]

@ Tom Tancredi

Hiya

I fixed the problem by using a different usb stick and selecting the non UEFI option. It's installed, but now I need to go through and find compatible drivers. Since you made such a convincing argument against using Vista, I'm all for finding a solution for playing fo3 on windows 7.

I should clarify when I said crash, I meant the actual game, not my computer. There is no error code etc shown. When entering certain inside areas, it will freeze on the black load screen ( audio still runs normal, along with the clock animation). This occurs with or without mods. Sometimes it is just a random crash when I'm outside wandering about in the open.

Here are the details you've asked for.

protection software
avast
spybot
ASC built-in malware

windows updates
essential + optional installed


All drivers are up to date. I use ASC for keeping track of drivers.


Operating System
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5 4670K @ 3.40GHz 46 °C
Haswell 22nm Technology
RAM
8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
MSI Z87-GD65 GAMING (MS-7845) (SOCKET 0) 35 °C
Graphics
ASUS PB278 (1920x1080@60Hz)
3072MB ATI AMD Radeon R9 200 Series (Gigabyte) 32 °C
Storage
465GB Hitachi HDS721050CLA662 ATA Device (SATA) 29 °C
931GB Western Digital WDC WD10EZEX-00RKKA0 ATA Device (SATA) 28 °C
111GB Samsung SSD 840 Series ATA Device (SSD) 32 °C
465GB Hitachi HTS545050B9A300 ATA Device (SATA) 28 °C
3GB SanDisk Cruzer Edge USB Device (USB)
7GB USB Device (USB)
Optical Drives
DTSOFT Virtual CdRom Device
DTSOFT Virtual CdRom Device
DTSOFT Virtual CdRom Device
Audio
Realtek High Definition Audio



Underload temps (after playing for 10 minutes . .)
CPU
Intel Core i5 4670K @ 3.40GHz 60 °C
Haswell 22nm Technology
RAM
8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
MSI Z87-GD65 GAMING (MS-7845) (SOCKET 0) 37 °C
Graphics
ASUS PB278 (1920x1080@60Hz)
3072MB ATI AMD Radeon R9 200 Series (Gigabyte) 42 °C

 

[Tom Tancredi]

Okay next basics, did you go to the actual directory for the executable file and right clcik > Properties>Compatibility> Change settings for all users> Run this program as administrator and Run this program in compatibility mode for Vista SP2, personally I usually use XP SP3 for most compatibility issues.

That said, I have and played New Vegas before on my Win7 and I had to trick it this way to get it to start, then I had to alter video to a different display (I usually play 1080p@110Hz) to keep the game stable.

That said, a Quick Google (https://www.google.com/search?q=fallout+3+windows+7+crash+fix&oq=Fall+out+3+Windows+7&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0l5.8957j0j1&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8) yield that the problem isn't no much 'Win7 vs Vista' (some say Vista had as many problems as well). The issue seems to be being on a x64 OS vs a x32 OS AND having Multicores (basically being on a modern PC) that the code freaks out about it when trying to play. Now depending on 'WHERE' you got it from and WHICH version it is these solutions may help, here is the top few:

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2825612.html
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1328904.html

This is a time consuming process and all depends on YOUR results to narrow down which problems are similiar to your own. IMO the worst ones I had were with Microsoft Games LIVE! issues since M$ ditched that a while ago, the damn things are a nuisance to get working right, with whole system changes to get the 'right version' working just the 'right way' to make the game work (which in many cases makes other games FAIL to work).

 

[quigg15405]

@ Tom

It's a graphics issue. After trying out different graphics combination it seems to be one thing that makes it crash.It works fine on 2560xx1440 with everything but the textures maxed out. In the graphics advanced option under the textures tab, it will only go as high as medium if I want to load that area. This is including mods etc.
Even with the resolution set to 1280x720 and with textures set on high, it managed to load the area but crashed 2 seconds after.

For anyone else who has the same problem, here are the combined solutions I've used to make FO3 work.
- Compatibility changed to vista sp 2 or xp sp 3
- editing the FALLOUT.ini file in documents (not game directory) to limit cpu cores to 2
-http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2825612
- allowing game full control in its properties
- running as admin

Graphics
- everything on max except textures, which is set to medium for mine (under advanced)



I really didn't think it was a graphics issue, you've saved me a butt-load of time.

Thanks for your help so far! If you have any idea why it only crashes with textures set to high, I'm all ears.