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nah. it performs better but uses more power. i was referring to the guy who mentioned that haswell will probably save him 30 cents a month
 
[citation][nom]anthonyorr[/nom]Ugly seems to be the standard look for Z87s shown so far.[/citation]
[citation][nom]lostmyclan[/nom]ugly as hell[/citation]
Yes, because looks matter.
 
[citation][nom]ubercake[/nom]Hard to get excited about Haswell other than the possibility to save me $0.30 a month on my electric bill. Anyone have the skinny on why it makes sense other than power?[/citation]
This won't matter for serious gamers, but doesn't Haswell offer significantly improved integrated graphics? Might be nice for laptops.
 

Ok. I know they're trying to get integrated graphics better and better on these processors, but until you can give me near-60fps performance, I'm doing nothing with integrated graphics outside watching blu-ray movies. I guess what's worse, is if this is more geared toward laptops, it's not really good that it will use more power (as theBigTroll said).

 
[citation][nom]TheBigTroll[/nom]haswell uses more power. what are you talking about?and about the motherboard, hey they fixed the usb3 location[/citation]

The TDP going up does not mean more power use. Intel has always been a bit more lenient on TDP than normal.

[citation][nom]ubercake[/nom]Ok. I know they're trying to get integrated graphics better and better on these processors, but until you can give me near-60fps performance, I'm doing nothing with integrated graphics outside watching blu-ray movies. I guess what's worse, is if this is more geared toward laptops, it's not really good that it will use more power (as theBigTroll said).[/citation]

From reports its supposed to be GT650M performance which would be pretty nice. Nothing major gaming worth but I wouldn't mind an HTPC with that kind of power in it.

Plus since its a 'Tock' its a overall performance boost verses IB which was a 'Tick' + with GPU enhancements. So we should see CPU performance go up with a better IGP.
 
[citation][nom]TheBigTroll[/nom]haswell uses more power. what are you talking about?[/citation]
Haswell has slightly higher TDP ceiling but its on-package VRM makes it 10X more efficient/faster at switching between standby and high performance modes so for a typical desktop environment where the CPU is almost idle most of the time between activity bursts (most computing falls in this category between computing-intensive tasks like gaming, rendering, simulating, etc.), Haswell can actually be a whole lot more power-efficient than Ivy Bridge.

Also, Ivy Bridge's 77W TDP is for the CPU/IGP alone while Haswell's includes its ~80% efficient integrated VRM. Since only 80% of Haswell's 84W reaches the CPU die, the Haswell die itself would have a ~68W TDP.

Finally, even though a chip may be rated at 77W or 84W, actual power use under real-world loads will not necessarily come anywhere near those figures. According to SMBus data, my motherboard's VRM only provides ~30W to my "77W" i5-3470 when under (CPU-only) full-load. TDPs are only a worst-case design guideline, you should not reach them under normal circumstances unless you have a worst-case CPU running a worst-case load.
 

So, because of the on-package VRM, Haswell does offer increased efficiency and would probably save me 30 cents a month. What do you think bigTroll?
 
So, we'll get a lot of hype and hear all of this marketing propaganda about all these record-breaking overclocks with Haswell for a couple of months and then after a few months the fanfare with this "processor of the year" will end. Then, after a couple of months, the review sites will be back to using X79 platforms for all of their GPU tests.

I'm just thinking Haswell is nothing to get excited about.

I really wish AMD would produce something to push Intel to create something more. I remember the days when I first picked up my Athlon 64...
 
[citation][nom]ubercake[/nom]So, we'll get a lot of hype and hear all of this marketing propaganda about all these record-breaking overclocks with Haswell for a couple of months[/citation]
I would not be so sure about record overclocks: the integrated VRM might raise immovable walls on power delivery - can't deliver more core power than what the integrated VRM can handle or whatever hard-limits may be programmed or designed into it.
 
[citation][nom]anthonyorr[/nom]Ugly seems to be the standard look for Z87s shown so far.[/citation]

I don't find the board in this article's picture to be ugly. I think that it looks rather nice in a subdued0color and logical way. It looks like everything is out of the way of everything else and the almost universal black suits it nicely IMO. I'd like it a little more if at least two of the SATA ports were on a 90 degree angle pointing away from the rear input/output for greater convenience in many cases, but otherwise, I like it for what it is.

Now that article with the hideous yellow PCB (I think it was an MSI test board) screamed ugly to me, but it's undoubtedly not representative of what the boards will look like when they launch.
 


That's what X- and K-series processors are all about. They'll sell some with unlockables here or there.
 
[citation][nom]ubercake[/nom]That's what X- and K-series processors are all about. They'll sell some with unlockables here or there.[/citation]
The extent to which VRMs may be unlockable without voiding the warranty remains to be seen. Unlocking it may very well require blowing a (standard-)warranty-voiding fuse bit.

There is also the possibility that the integrated VRM does not scale much beyond Haswell's standard power range... Intel might need to put two of those on X-chips.

Lots of unknowns.
 


The warranty is voided with any OC. Since the warranty is voided after an overclock, the fact that they produce processors allowing overclocking saves the manufacturer any warranty costs. You OC at your own risk whether K, X or any other edition of the processor. Outside of system RAM, I am not aware of any products that are warranted after they are overclocked or overvolted? If anyone knows of any, please let us know.

I think the smartest thing Intel could do to really make Haswell marketable to desktop users (enthusiasts) is to sell processors above the 4GHz mark at stock (but maybe they are saving this for the Skyxx series processors?). I'm sure they'll sell a lot of Haswells to PC manufacturers as they wind down Sandy and Ivy Bridge production once Haswell enters the market. Seems like a good integrated-video solution for laptops, but still doesn't touch the video capabilities of discrete solutions. I'd like to see a comparison between Haswell video and low-to-mid range card video once the Haswells are available for review. I'd also like to see the difference in power consumption between them as they go about tasks such as encoding and gaming, etc...
 
I've known some video cards to have warranties that include overclocking and even aftermarket cooler installation. IDK for sure about overvolting, but I bet that at least some companies have a model or two with that covered too.
 


Good to know. Are there any current examples?
 
[citation][nom]ubercake[/nom]The warranty is voided with any OC. Since the warranty is voided after an overclock, the fact that they produce processors allowing overclocking saves the manufacturer any warranty costs. You OC at your own risk whether K, X or any other edition of the processor. Outside of system RAM, I am not aware of any products that are warranted after they are overclocked or overvolted?[/citation]
Unless enabling overclocking on your motherboard/CPU requires blowing fuse bits to enable it, overclocking leaves no traces behind unless you overdo it in a way that does end up generating telltale physical evidence. In that case, unless you give them verbal evidence, the warranty is void on paper only since the companies have no physical evidence to dispute your warranty claim with.

As for companies having a warranty for overclocking, Intel does sell an aftermarket overclocking insurance for $20-35 depending on CPU model, valid for one no-questions-asked replacement.
 
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