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ISSUE RESOLVED!

After uninstalling a couple of excess DVD ripping/burning apps all discs
placed in either drive are immediately recognized.

I can't thank you enough for your patient help with this. I believe that if
it weren't for the great help found in newsgroups, all computing in the
world would grind to a halt. Well, anyway, all MY computing!

Randy






"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:eF8qUy9rFHA.1252@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Don't worry. I live here.
>
> Yes, CD burning software is notorious for messing up CD drives and burner
> behavior. Particularly packet writers (InCD, DirectCD, etc.) My personal
> recommendation is to never install such apps. Regular burning utilities
are
> usually fine, but even they can cause odd issues like yours.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
>
> "Randwill" <rwilliams4254@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:kPYRe.85876$WN5.68406@fe02.news.easynews.com...
> > No, I haven't had a chance to do the latest suggestions, but if you
think
> > it's related to my burning software I think I'll do your most recent
> > suggestions AND re-install Nero.
> >
> > Won't be able to get to this until the weekend and as this thread is
> > getting
> > longer and lower - don't abandon me!
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:%23UIxNF3rFHA.332@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> No, it's not the OS. Or rather, it's not *just* the OS if it's the OS
at
> >> all. It's much more likely your burning software. Do you have InCD
> >> installed? Do you use it? Have you updated your Nero software recently?
> > (And
> >> I take it you've not yet done any of the stuff I suggested a little
while
> >> ago?)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary S. Terhune
> >> MS-MVP Shell/User
> >>
> >> "Randwill" <rwilliams4254@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:zzPRe.69704$w74.67219@fe03.news.easynews.com...
> >> >I just tried an experiment. I put a video DVD into F DVD drive (the
> > reader
> >> > only) and ripped it. But when I tried to burn it with Nero using E
> >> > drive
> >> > (the burner) Nero didn't see the blank DVD. I rebooted, leaving the
> > blank
> >> > in E drive, and now Nero saw it and burned the disc. However when I
> >> > opened
> >> > the disc to look at it's contents, I didn't get the "drive not
> > accessible"
> >> > error but no contents showed in the box. This is in the same drive
> >> > that
> >> > just burned it. Placing it in the reader (F) yeilded the usual
"drive
> > not
> >> > accessible" error.
> >> >
> >> > To sum up F read the disc, reboot, E burned the disc. F saw nothing
on
> >> > disc,
> >> > E didn't see disc at all.
> >> >
> >> > I've been thinking of upgrading to XP, I'm beginning to wonder if now
> >> > might
> >> > be the time. Both drives obviously work correctly, it's the
operating
> >> > system that's not dancing with them, right?
> >> >
> >> > Randy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > .
> >> > "Randwill" <rwilliams4254@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:LHORe.89364$gI2.60964@fe12.news.easynews.com...
> >> >> Followed all instructions but when CD is placed in either drive and
I
> >> > click
> >> >> on it I get the same "drive is not accessible. The device is not
> > ready"
> >> >> error message.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here's the list of devices from the System section and the number of
> >> >> times
> >> >> they are listed:
> >> >>
> >> >> ACPI Fan
> >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering (8)
> >> >> ACPI Power Button
> >> >> ACPI System Button
> >> >> Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) BIOS
> >> >> Composite Power Search
> >> >> Direct memory access controller
> >> >> IO read data port for ISA Plug and Play enumerator
> >> >> Motherboard resourcer (2)
> >> >> Numeric data processor
> >> >> PCI standard host CPU bridge
> >> >> PCI standard ISA bridge
> >> >> PCI standard PCI to PCI bridge (2)
> >> >> Plug and Play Software Device Enumerator
> >> >> PnP BIOS Extension
> >> >> Processor support
> >> >> Programmable interrupt controller
> >> >> SCI IRQ used by ACPI bus
> >> >> System board
> >> >> System board extension for ACPI BIOS
> >> >> Sysytem CMOS / real time clock
> >> >> System speaker
> >> >> System timer
> >> >>
> >> >> So unless you see something here that may be causing Windows to not
> >> >> see
> >> > the
> >> >> CDs in the drives am I out of luck?
> >> >> How far am I from a complete re-formatting?
> >> >>
> >> >> Randy Williams
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >> >> news:uLVqkQyrFHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > OK, assuming both drives check out OK in DOS copy procedures,
let's
> >> >> > move
> >> >> on.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are both of these drives DVD-ROM? Is neither one of them a burner?
> >> >> > If
> >> > one
> >> >> is
> >> >> > a burner, make it the Secondary Master drive. Make the other drive
> > the
> >> >> > Slave.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Once you have the drives connected properly, and both have worked
OK
> > in
> >> >> DOS,
> >> >> > restart the system and repeatedly press the Ctrl key until the
> > Startup
> >> >> Menu
> >> >> > comes up (holding it down will prompt a stuck-key error). Choose
> >> >> > Safe
> >> >> Mode.
> >> >> > In Safe Mode, go to Device Manager. Delete ALL drives and ALL
> >> > controllers
> >> >> > (you won't be able to remove FIFOs, don't worry, it's OK.) Also
look
> > in
> >> >> the
> >> >> > System section and delete the PCI Bus. While you're there, review
> >> >> > the
> >> >> entire
> >> >> > list for devices you recognize as having been physically removed
> >> >> > from
> >> > the
> >> >> > system in the past. Also look for duplicate entries. Must be
*exact*
> >> >> > duplicates. Make a list of these, name and the number of times it
> >> > appears.
> >> >> > Post back here with that info when it's convenient.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After removing the IDE chain (drives, controllers, etc.) restart
and
> >> >> > let
> >> >> > Windows reinstall the devices. You'll need to reboot at least
once.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That should do it. Let us know.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Gary S. Terhune
> >> >> > MS-MVP Shell/User
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Randwill" <rwilliams4254@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:w9HRe.65095$WN5.46332@fe02.news.easynews.com...
> >> >> > > Okay thanks guys. I have successfully copied several files from
> > one
> >> > DVD
> >> >> > > drive. (All caps with the period worked.)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > So we know both drives and their contents are seen in DOS mode
and
> > I
> >> > can
> >> >> > > copy from one of them. I'll do the copy test on the other drive
> > now.
> >> >> > > Meanwhile, what's the next step?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Thanks.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Randy
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
 
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Glad to hear it. Phew!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Randwill" <rwilliams4254@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uZGSe.156092$WN5.20238@fe02.news.easynews.com...
| ISSUE RESOLVED!
|
| After uninstalling a couple of excess DVD ripping/burning apps all
discs
| placed in either drive are immediately recognized.
|
| I can't thank you enough for your patient help with this. I believe
that if
| it weren't for the great help found in newsgroups, all computing in
the
| world would grind to a halt. Well, anyway, all MY computing!
|
| Randy
|
|
|
|
|
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
| news:eF8qUy9rFHA.1252@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| > Don't worry. I live here.
| >
| > Yes, CD burning software is notorious for messing up CD drives and
burner
| > behavior. Particularly packet writers (InCD, DirectCD, etc.) My
personal
| > recommendation is to never install such apps. Regular burning
utilities
| are
| > usually fine, but even they can cause odd issues like yours.
| >
| > --
| > Gary S. Terhune
| > MS-MVP Shell/User
| >
| > "Randwill" <rwilliams4254@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
| > news:kPYRe.85876$WN5.68406@fe02.news.easynews.com...
| > > No, I haven't had a chance to do the latest suggestions, but if
you
| think
| > > it's related to my burning software I think I'll do your most
recent
| > > suggestions AND re-install Nero.
| > >
| > > Won't be able to get to this until the weekend and as this thread
is
| > > getting
| > > longer and lower - don't abandon me!
| > >
| > > Thanks.
| > >
| > > Randy
| > >
| > >
| > > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
| > > news:%23UIxNF3rFHA.332@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| > >> No, it's not the OS. Or rather, it's not *just* the OS if it's
the OS
| at
| > >> all. It's much more likely your burning software. Do you have
InCD
| > >> installed? Do you use it? Have you updated your Nero software
recently?
| > > (And
| > >> I take it you've not yet done any of the stuff I suggested a
little
| while
| > >> ago?)
| > >>
| > >> --
| > >> Gary S. Terhune
| > >> MS-MVP Shell/User
| > >>
| > >> "Randwill" <rwilliams4254@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
| > >> news:zzPRe.69704$w74.67219@fe03.news.easynews.com...
| > >> >I just tried an experiment. I put a video DVD into F DVD drive
(the
| > > reader
| > >> > only) and ripped it. But when I tried to burn it with Nero
using E
| > >> > drive
| > >> > (the burner) Nero didn't see the blank DVD. I rebooted,
leaving the
| > > blank
| > >> > in E drive, and now Nero saw it and burned the disc. However
when I
| > >> > opened
| > >> > the disc to look at it's contents, I didn't get the "drive not
| > > accessible"
| > >> > error but no contents showed in the box. This is in the same
drive
| > >> > that
| > >> > just burned it. Placing it in the reader (F) yeilded the usual
| "drive
| > > not
| > >> > accessible" error.
| > >> >
| > >> > To sum up F read the disc, reboot, E burned the disc. F saw
nothing
| on
| > >> > disc,
| > >> > E didn't see disc at all.
| > >> >
| > >> > I've been thinking of upgrading to XP, I'm beginning to wonder
if now
| > >> > might
| > >> > be the time. Both drives obviously work correctly, it's the
| operating
| > >> > system that's not dancing with them, right?
| > >> >
| > >> > Randy
| > >> >
| > >> >
| > >> >
| > >> > .
| > >> > "Randwill" <rwilliams4254@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
| > >> > news:LHORe.89364$gI2.60964@fe12.news.easynews.com...
| > >> >> Followed all instructions but when CD is placed in either
drive and
| I
| > >> > click
| > >> >> on it I get the same "drive is not accessible. The device is
not
| > > ready"
| > >> >> error message.
| > >> >>
| > >> >> Here's the list of devices from the System section and the
number of
| > >> >> times
| > >> >> they are listed:
| > >> >>
| > >> >> ACPI Fan
| > >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering (8)
| > >> >> ACPI Power Button
| > >> >> ACPI System Button
| > >> >> Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) BIOS
| > >> >> Composite Power Search
| > >> >> Direct memory access controller
| > >> >> IO read data port for ISA Plug and Play enumerator
| > >> >> Motherboard resourcer (2)
| > >> >> Numeric data processor
| > >> >> PCI standard host CPU bridge
| > >> >> PCI standard ISA bridge
| > >> >> PCI standard PCI to PCI bridge (2)
| > >> >> Plug and Play Software Device Enumerator
| > >> >> PnP BIOS Extension
| > >> >> Processor support
| > >> >> Programmable interrupt controller
| > >> >> SCI IRQ used by ACPI bus
| > >> >> System board
| > >> >> System board extension for ACPI BIOS
| > >> >> Sysytem CMOS / real time clock
| > >> >> System speaker
| > >> >> System timer
| > >> >>
| > >> >> So unless you see something here that may be causing Windows
to not
| > >> >> see
| > >> > the
| > >> >> CDs in the drives am I out of luck?
| > >> >> How far am I from a complete re-formatting?
| > >> >>
| > >> >> Randy Williams
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
| > >> >> news:uLVqkQyrFHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
| > >> >> > OK, assuming both drives check out OK in DOS copy
procedures,
| let's
| > >> >> > move
| > >> >> on.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > Are both of these drives DVD-ROM? Is neither one of them a
burner?
| > >> >> > If
| > >> > one
| > >> >> is
| > >> >> > a burner, make it the Secondary Master drive. Make the other
drive
| > > the
| > >> >> > Slave.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > Once you have the drives connected properly, and both have
worked
| OK
| > > in
| > >> >> DOS,
| > >> >> > restart the system and repeatedly press the Ctrl key until
the
| > > Startup
| > >> >> Menu
| > >> >> > comes up (holding it down will prompt a stuck-key error).
Choose
| > >> >> > Safe
| > >> >> Mode.
| > >> >> > In Safe Mode, go to Device Manager. Delete ALL drives and
ALL
| > >> > controllers
| > >> >> > (you won't be able to remove FIFOs, don't worry, it's OK.)
Also
| look
| > > in
| > >> >> the
| > >> >> > System section and delete the PCI Bus. While you're there,
review
| > >> >> > the
| > >> >> entire
| > >> >> > list for devices you recognize as having been physically
removed
| > >> >> > from
| > >> > the
| > >> >> > system in the past. Also look for duplicate entries. Must be
| *exact*
| > >> >> > duplicates. Make a list of these, name and the number of
times it
| > >> > appears.
| > >> >> > Post back here with that info when it's convenient.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > After removing the IDE chain (drives, controllers, etc.)
restart
| and
| > >> >> > let
| > >> >> > Windows reinstall the devices. You'll need to reboot at
least
| once.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > That should do it. Let us know.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > --
| > >> >> > Gary S. Terhune
| > >> >> > MS-MVP Shell/User
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > "Randwill" <rwilliams4254@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
| > >> >> > news:w9HRe.65095$WN5.46332@fe02.news.easynews.com...
| > >> >> > > Okay thanks guys. I have successfully copied several
files from
| > > one
| > >> > DVD
| > >> >> > > drive. (All caps with the period worked.)
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > > So we know both drives and their contents are seen in DOS
mode
| and
| > > I
| > >> > can
| > >> >> > > copy from one of them. I'll do the copy test on the other
drive
| > > now.
| > >> >> > > Meanwhile, what's the next step?
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > > Thanks.
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > > Randy
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> >
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >
| > >> >
| > >>
| > >>
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
 
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<Applause>

OK, back to work!

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Randwill" <rwilliams4254@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uZGSe.156092$WN5.20238@fe02.news.easynews.com...
> ISSUE RESOLVED!
>
> After uninstalling a couple of excess DVD ripping/burning apps all discs
> placed in either drive are immediately recognized.
>
> I can't thank you enough for your patient help with this. I believe that
> if
> it weren't for the great help found in newsgroups, all computing in the
> world would grind to a halt. Well, anyway, all MY computing!
>
> Randy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:eF8qUy9rFHA.1252@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Don't worry. I live here.
>>
>> Yes, CD burning software is notorious for messing up CD drives and burner
>> behavior. Particularly packet writers (InCD, DirectCD, etc.) My personal
>> recommendation is to never install such apps. Regular burning utilities
> are
>> usually fine, but even they can cause odd issues like yours.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>>
>> "Randwill" <rwilliams4254@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:kPYRe.85876$WN5.68406@fe02.news.easynews.com...
>> > No, I haven't had a chance to do the latest suggestions, but if you
> think
>> > it's related to my burning software I think I'll do your most recent
>> > suggestions AND re-install Nero.
>> >
>> > Won't be able to get to this until the weekend and as this thread is
>> > getting
>> > longer and lower - don't abandon me!
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Randy
>> >
>> >
>> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> > news:%23UIxNF3rFHA.332@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> >> No, it's not the OS. Or rather, it's not *just* the OS if it's the OS
> at
>> >> all. It's much more likely your burning software. Do you have InCD
>> >> installed? Do you use it? Have you updated your Nero software
>> >> recently?
>> > (And
>> >> I take it you've not yet done any of the stuff I suggested a little
> while
>> >> ago?)
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Gary S. Terhune
>> >> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> >>
>> >> "Randwill" <rwilliams4254@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:zzPRe.69704$w74.67219@fe03.news.easynews.com...
>> >> >I just tried an experiment. I put a video DVD into F DVD drive (the
>> > reader
>> >> > only) and ripped it. But when I tried to burn it with Nero using E
>> >> > drive
>> >> > (the burner) Nero didn't see the blank DVD. I rebooted, leaving the
>> > blank
>> >> > in E drive, and now Nero saw it and burned the disc. However when I
>> >> > opened
>> >> > the disc to look at it's contents, I didn't get the "drive not
>> > accessible"
>> >> > error but no contents showed in the box. This is in the same drive
>> >> > that
>> >> > just burned it. Placing it in the reader (F) yeilded the usual
> "drive
>> > not
>> >> > accessible" error.
>> >> >
>> >> > To sum up F read the disc, reboot, E burned the disc. F saw nothing
> on
>> >> > disc,
>> >> > E didn't see disc at all.
>> >> >
>> >> > I've been thinking of upgrading to XP, I'm beginning to wonder if
>> >> > now
>> >> > might
>> >> > be the time. Both drives obviously work correctly, it's the
> operating
>> >> > system that's not dancing with them, right?
>> >> >
>> >> > Randy
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > .
>> >> > "Randwill" <rwilliams4254@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:LHORe.89364$gI2.60964@fe12.news.easynews.com...
>> >> >> Followed all instructions but when CD is placed in either drive
>> >> >> and
> I
>> >> > click
>> >> >> on it I get the same "drive is not accessible. The device is not
>> > ready"
>> >> >> error message.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Here's the list of devices from the System section and the number
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> times
>> >> >> they are listed:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ACPI Fan
>> >> >> ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering (8)
>> >> >> ACPI Power Button
>> >> >> ACPI System Button
>> >> >> Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) BIOS
>> >> >> Composite Power Search
>> >> >> Direct memory access controller
>> >> >> IO read data port for ISA Plug and Play enumerator
>> >> >> Motherboard resourcer (2)
>> >> >> Numeric data processor
>> >> >> PCI standard host CPU bridge
>> >> >> PCI standard ISA bridge
>> >> >> PCI standard PCI to PCI bridge (2)
>> >> >> Plug and Play Software Device Enumerator
>> >> >> PnP BIOS Extension
>> >> >> Processor support
>> >> >> Programmable interrupt controller
>> >> >> SCI IRQ used by ACPI bus
>> >> >> System board
>> >> >> System board extension for ACPI BIOS
>> >> >> Sysytem CMOS / real time clock
>> >> >> System speaker
>> >> >> System timer
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So unless you see something here that may be causing Windows to not
>> >> >> see
>> >> > the
>> >> >> CDs in the drives am I out of luck?
>> >> >> How far am I from a complete re-formatting?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Randy Williams
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:uLVqkQyrFHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > OK, assuming both drives check out OK in DOS copy procedures,
> let's
>> >> >> > move
>> >> >> on.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Are both of these drives DVD-ROM? Is neither one of them a
>> >> >> > burner?
>> >> >> > If
>> >> > one
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> > a burner, make it the Secondary Master drive. Make the other
>> >> >> > drive
>> > the
>> >> >> > Slave.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Once you have the drives connected properly, and both have worked
> OK
>> > in
>> >> >> DOS,
>> >> >> > restart the system and repeatedly press the Ctrl key until the
>> > Startup
>> >> >> Menu
>> >> >> > comes up (holding it down will prompt a stuck-key error). Choose
>> >> >> > Safe
>> >> >> Mode.
>> >> >> > In Safe Mode, go to Device Manager. Delete ALL drives and ALL
>> >> > controllers
>> >> >> > (you won't be able to remove FIFOs, don't worry, it's OK.) Also
> look
>> > in
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > System section and delete the PCI Bus. While you're there, review
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> entire
>> >> >> > list for devices you recognize as having been physically removed
>> >> >> > from
>> >> > the
>> >> >> > system in the past. Also look for duplicate entries. Must be
> *exact*
>> >> >> > duplicates. Make a list of these, name and the number of times it
>> >> > appears.
>> >> >> > Post back here with that info when it's convenient.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > After removing the IDE chain (drives, controllers, etc.) restart
> and
>> >> >> > let
>> >> >> > Windows reinstall the devices. You'll need to reboot at least
> once.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That should do it. Let us know.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Gary S. Terhune
>> >> >> > MS-MVP Shell/User
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Randwill" <rwilliams4254@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:w9HRe.65095$WN5.46332@fe02.news.easynews.com...
>> >> >> > > Okay thanks guys. I have successfully copied several files
>> >> >> > > from
>> > one
>> >> > DVD
>> >> >> > > drive. (All caps with the period worked.)
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > So we know both drives and their contents are seen in DOS mode
> and
>> > I
>> >> > can
>> >> >> > > copy from one of them. I'll do the copy test on the other
>> >> >> > > drive
>> > now.
>> >> >> > > Meanwhile, what's the next step?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Thanks.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Randy
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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