Question Bought new nvme ssd, is it actually new?

rollo84

Prominent
Dec 2, 2018
8
0
510
0
Hello!
I just bought a new ssd on Ebay, after installing windows and some driver I noticed on Samsung Magician that 143GB were written on the drive. Now, I bought it as new on Ebay and it came with a pristine box with seals, but I was wondering if the amount of written data looks suspicious to you.
Thank you in advance!
 

rollo84

Prominent
Dec 2, 2018
8
0
510
0
Might help if you told us which SSD.
Hi, the drive is a Samsun Nvme 970 evo pplus 1 tb
Send picture of all SMART values (CrystalDiskInfo).
https://postimg.cc/9D72CHLt
143 MB are on the drive currently?
I assume you meant that Total Bytes Written are at 143GB.
Yes, as I wrote in the original post looks like 143GB were written the first time I used it: installing windows, drivers, utilities like Crystal disk info and windirstat. I also uninstalled some default apps.
 

Maxxify

Distinguished
Aug 12, 2007
263
50
18,940
25
Thanks.

This looks normal. The SMART values are given in hexadecimal, not decimal. For example it says "64" available spare blocks, which is 100 - that is normal for this drive. It also says total data units written is "601B6" - this is 393654 and is usually given in 512KB units so ~192GB.
 
Reactions: rollo84

rollo84

Prominent
Dec 2, 2018
8
0
510
0
Hi again and thank you all for your help!
Thanks.

This looks normal. The SMART values are given in hexadecimal, not decimal. For example it says "64" available spare blocks, which is 100 - that is normal for this drive. It also says total data units written is "601B6" - this is 393654 and is usually given in 512KB units so ~192GB.
An OS install should not be installing 100+ GB of stuff tho.

Can you install windirstat and show us your C: in a screenshot. We will be able to see the size taken by folders.

https://windirstat.net/
https://postimg.cc/8fs7WmRd
Now I installed the Adobe suite and Unreal engine. I'm not really worried that something is still on the drive from a previous use but that it has been slightly used before I purchased. For example now 77GB are used but 198GB have been written. I understand that some operations need to write more than the final amount they require on the disk, but we are talking about more than double here. I'm curious to know your opinion.
 

Maxxify

Distinguished
Aug 12, 2007
263
50
18,940
25
Your values look correct to me. My only advice would be to install the Samsung NVMe driver. I see nothing else amiss. FYI the temperature is also in hex but based on Kelvin - 13F would be 319 Kelvin or 46C. SSDs throttle around 70C.
 
Reactions: rollo84

rollo84

Prominent
Dec 2, 2018
8
0
510
0
Your values look correct to me. My only advice would be to install the Samsung NVMe driver. I see nothing else amiss. FYI the temperature is also in hex but based on Kelvin - 13F would be 319 Kelvin or 46C. SSDs throttle around 70C.
Thank you, I didn't think about the drivers. One last question, maybe OT, I moved the drive a PCI 4x adapter (because I'm missing the vertical bracket for my motherboard) and the speed dropped. The M.B. is an ASUS X99-S. Is there anything I can do about it?
The adapter is a Mailiya M.2 PCIe to PCIe 3.0 x4 Adapter found on Amazon.
 

Maxxify

Distinguished
Aug 12, 2007
263
50
18,940
25
Thank you, I didn't think about the drivers. One last question, maybe OT, I moved the drive a PCI 4x adapter (because I'm missing the vertical bracket for my motherboard) and the speed dropped. The M.B. is an ASUS X99-S. Is there anything I can do about it?
The adapter is a Mailiya M.2 PCIe to PCIe 3.0 x4 Adapter found on Amazon.
Depends on the CPU I think. You can check Transfer Mode in CrystalDiskInfo: make sure it's still x4 PCIe 3.0. Regardless of CPU, there is one x4 PCIe slot that will be x4 PCIe 2.0.
 
Reactions: rollo84
In CrystalDiskInfo, what is the Power On count and Power On hours?

Does that mostly mesh with your use?
They actually linked to an image with those details already. As per that data, it looks like power on hours was only at 1, and power cycles at 7 at that time...

Hi, the drive is a Samsun Nvme 970 evo pplus 1 tb

https://postimg.cc/9D72CHLt

Yes, as I wrote in the original post looks like 143GB were written the first time I used it: installing windows, drivers, utilities like Crystal disk info and windirstat. I also uninstalled some default apps.
 

rollo84

Prominent
Dec 2, 2018
8
0
510
0
Oh, I missed that.

That is a NEW drive. Or at least first use after Secure Erase.
That is interesting, so you can erase these information and repackage the unit. Anyway I guess I will keep it. I I just need to find a vertical bracket because with the adapter, even after switching the PCIe slot to 4x, the speed is cut in half.
Thank you for all your help, this is definitely a great community!
 

USAFRet

Titan
Moderator
Mar 16, 2013
118,168
2,831
148,290
19,283
That is interesting, so you can erase these information and repackage the unit. Anyway I guess I will keep it. I I just need to find a vertical bracket because with the adapter, even after switching the PCIe slot to 4x, the speed is cut in half.
Thank you for all your help, this is definitely a great community!
Samsung can return those values to zero.
Not thee and me, however.
 

Maxxify

Distinguished
Aug 12, 2007
263
50
18,940
25
so you can erase these information and repackage the unit.
It's not something you'll see in Western markets with a retail drive. It requires time and expensive hardware (JTAG) plus specific MPTool/MPALL for given controller/flash/firmware combinations. SSDs can definitely be "hacked" but it's usually to get access to encrypted data. It's really not worth the trouble to resell a drive, especially as the manufacturer will know it's been tampered with if returned. OEM drives are a little more questionable.
 
Reactions: rollo84

ASK THE COMMUNITY

TRENDING THREADS