Breadboarding

[N890]

Jsc, one more question lol.

I'm not using the aluminum, I decided to go straight wood. I've seen some people do this, however my question is can I run the motherboard without the standoffs on MDF wood? Will it cause static electricity?

I will try to get some 😉

 

[jsc]

Late getting back to this thread. Had an unusually grim work schedule the past two weeks.

"Sorry, but what exactly do you mean by hard to place?"

If you are going to use aluminum, the holes in the aluminum have to exactly match the motherboard.

Wood is fine. I've used and old wooden cutting board, a nylon cutting board, and my Oblivion hint book. The main requirement is an insulating surface thick enough so the video card bracket hanging off the edge does not touch the tabletop.

 

[N890]

So the wood won't cause static electricity? I can just screw it to the wood?

 

[kubes]

Well techonically wood could but its so low that for your purposes there's pretty much no way it ever would.

 

[jsc]

So the wood won't cause static electricity? I can just screw it to the wood?

Well, if you are worried about static electricity, lay the antistatic bag that the motherboard came in on top of the wooden board. Don't worry. The antistatic bag is not conductive enough to matter.

There's no need to screw the motherboard to the wooden board.

 

[Dirty Durden]

I have the MSI 790FX MoBo & the AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb CPU. I powered everything up when I had everything together before I read you post & all LED lights were lit up per the User Guide, but the GPU (SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP), on the card itself LED light show up red below failure.
Then I read your post & remove everything but the CPU, HSF & MoBo from the case to do your test, but not the CPU & HSF. When I boot I am receiving 3 long beeps & not 1 long beep. Does this mean something got those 3 long beeps?
I do not have the cables for the monitor, the key board or a drive to down the the O.S, I should have everything by Friday.
My set up is;

CPU-
AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor

RAM-
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7D-4GBPI

PSU-
COOLER MASTER RS-700-AMBA-D3 700W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

Case-
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP

GPU-
SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card

HD-
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAJS 320GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

 

[kubes]

You might want to start your own thread so you don't hijack this one. But quickly reading about it seems like you need to read the doucmentation for your motherboard that describes what the beep codes mean. Also the graphics card documentation should also tell you what the red LED means. Maybe that's good/ Maybe that's bad (aka not getting enough power i'd assume)...but non the less it seems like you need to read some of the docoumentation that came with your parts a bit more theroughly

 

[swordsman]

These pins are what will actually turn on the board. (some boards actually have a power switch actually built on them for example the evga x58 sli). So to turn on the motherboard you have to short the power pins. In otherwords you have to touch them together with something conductive such as a screw driver to actually turn the board on.

Another super newbie here. Do you touch the pins on the power connector once and remove the screwdriver OR you keep the screwdriver on shorting out the pins while the PC is running? I'm not sure that if i stop touching the pins, the computer would turn off - like on a bulb and its lightswitch. Sorry for the stupid question 😉

What jsc has done is created a box that you pug into the power button and a switch will make the connection...

I would be very interested to learn how to make this. Any step by step procedure and what materials would i need?

 

[jsc]

swordsman,
Really late getting back. You touch the posts just for a moment - just like when you press the case power switch. If you stay on the pins too long, the PC will shut down.

The little box...
Like I said above, I used wiring and a speaker salvage from an old case, replaced the two switches with real push button switches, and found a box to put them in.

 

[thomasxstewart]

😱 You can do that, if you do, running MAINBOARD for SEVERAL Weeks on Bread board table to Start Burn In. If You Light IT Up & then Move Mess to case, probably IT Won't Every Start Again. Just How Sensitive This Stuff IS.

Swtch stuff Is from OLD Days & NO Ordinary switch works, just snap on or snap off, not continuous. Old Stuff Won't even Snap Off & if you unplug Main, Never
Start Up Again. THATS WAY IT WAS. PS NoBody told AnyOne then, So $10,000 waste was Simple.

Signed😛HYSICIAN THOMAS STEWART von DRASHEK M.D.

 

[jsc]

Let's see if I can figure out what you are trying to say.

You can do that, if you do, running MAINBOARD for SEVERAL Weeks on Bread board table to Start Burn In. If You Light IT Up & then Move Mess to case, probably IT Won't Every Start Again. Just How Sensitive This Stuff IS.

I breadboard everything. Then I will install the OS and drivers. Then I move it to the case. Anything breadboarded has always worked once I move it to the case.

Swtch stuff Is from OLD Days & NO Ordinary switch works, just snap on or snap off, not continuous. Old Stuff Won't even Snap Off & if you unplug Main, Never Start Up Again.

They are just simple momentary contact push button switches, just like the ones in the case. Two for $3.00 at the local Rat Shack.

THATS WAY IT WAS. PS NoBody told AnyOne then, So $10,000 waste was Simple.

???

 

[thomasxstewart]

Push Button Switches Are easy enought to get or use oLD Case front end. Installing O/S is minimal, installing every partition IS Better. Give it some time BEFORE Lousy DSL Provider Software Hangs , Get Updates, Go Slow. NO Complex software till its Well seated. AS Newnwess means everything needs bit 'o running before starting hacking. If You already are familar with Mainboard, Risk IS Much LESS.

$10,000 replacement free system, Broke Free system, yet maybe only halfie thou lost, due to one switch.

drashek

 

[thomasxstewart]

Another example of Total OFF Was Debbie tripp, Whom Attended Elementary School with. tripps Moved to chicago & Started TRIPP Lite, Had Brought Them to CONTROL DATA & Saw extensive Power Back Up Systems & Start Tripp Lite Power backup Uits for Home Server. Now Days You Usually Can turn Server mainboard off, yet in 1960s' if power outage happened, NO WAY. & Outages happen at least yearly. Now people think Tripp Lite is Scam, Well, you might lose Data, yet save systemBoard, Was reason. Strange How Callous Server Mains Are in that respect. EveryOne Needs backUp 'puter just to keep stable Home base.

Signed😛HYSICIAN THOMAS STEWART von Drashek M.D.

 

[thomasxstewart]

Try using Foam that came with mainboard, underneath main & between wood board. due to metals being present in wood, its poor choice for anythingelectric. when mount in casem use plastic case was wrapped in to insulate between case & mainboard.

drashek

 

[treefrog07]

Let's see if I can figure out what you are trying to say.


I breadboard everything. Then I will install the OS and drivers. Then I move it to the case. Anything breadboarded has always worked once I move it to the case.


They are just simple momentary contact push button switches, just like the ones in the case. Two for $3.00 at the local Rat Shack.


???

He comments frequently on the Inquirer as von Drashek or Drashek, I've read, or tried to read his posts - they make sense for a while, then I find myself saying w--h--a--t--? He's probably a genius.

 

[thomasxstewart]

Hi-TreeFrog. Have You ever Noticed breadBoard OFTEN Seems wet. Ahso, that small nut or item can get caught between main & Case. thats reasoning. yet before move main, run it for hours if not days, its lot more likely to restart. Also once drivers are in, just leave it be untill some burn in has occurred.-=7=- IS BETTER.

Ps Lil' 'Ole Drashek quiting Business of commentos', on 31Dec2009. started When 1996 Welfare reform Act made getting homeBound back into active life. Mike Magee Was& Is very Helpful/ About only editor whom had any feeling outside most immediate. Credit good line up of writers whom can almost edit themselves for more advanced humane viewpoint.

Recieved My first Ok good to go year ago locally, I have arthritis. Second came about June'9 & was about to leave, yet informed best to stick entire year out, as evaluation takes place in Kansas & locally & perhaps Hollywood, where started with commentos in 1999 & this funded mandate.

 

[treefrog07]

I wasn't flaming you. You probably are a genius, or maybe you have some software that randomly grabs clumps of text from the www and joins the clumps into a post. Your posts are unique. You have your own style and grammar, which often makes me say "w--h--a--t--?" Quit "Business of commentos', " if you must. Good luck with your "evaluation." whether it "takes place in Kansas & locally & perhaps Hollywood."

Stay warm and dry.

 

[newjackcity]

I start off with only the CPU and HSF installed, boot, and listen for the long single, "no memory" beeps - also make it easier to check that the HSF is properly installed.

what is the HSF? new to the hardware world

 

[treefrog07]

HSF: Heatsink and fan for the CPU. Intel and AMD include HSFs in their boxed processors (but not with OEM processors). Many buy after-market HSFs to improve CPU heat dissipation while overclocking or using CPU-intensive software. After-market HSFs are available from CoolerMaster, Noctua, Thermalright, etc. Here's newegg's page on various makes and models.

 

[Hubalub]

Hey all, I found this thread very interesting and I thought I would give it a try for my first time build as due to the circumstances I will have to build it, and then very promptly pack it all up and get on a plane with it.

I figured it would be very much easier if I dont actually put any of the pieces in the case beforehand, and just use all the anti static bags from the boxes to transport all the gear.

Now to my question:
Do all motherboards have a system speaker / beep mechanism?
I'm getting the ASUS P7P55D-E Pro, and I've been looking on the manufacturer's webiste for a few quarter hours now and can't seem to find the info.

If the motherboard didn't have a system speaker, what would you recommend I purchase?

Again, thanks for the help.. I'm very excited to be doing this first build but also kinda scared about assembling and dissassembling the computer in such a short time frame (about 4 days). I've already bought and paid for all the pieces so I gotta see it through now hehe.

 

[treefrog07]

According to your manual, your board has a connection for, but does not have speaker to beep out the POST codes. The only chassis speaker I could find at newegg is here ~$7.00 shipped. You attach it to your Front Panel Speaker connector pins in the lower right-hand corner of the board - refer to your manual.
You shouldn't have any trouble putting your rig together. Follow the manual on installing the cpu, RAM, etc. If your are using an aftermarket cpu cooler that requires bolting through the motherboard, do that right after you install the cpu.

 

[msgohan]

So there is no way to test that the motherboard and power supply alone are working? Using a board with Award BIOS and I was expecting some sort of beep code for no CPU connected, but apparently silence is the expected response from the PC speaker?

The reason I ask is I'm trying to build a "new" machine while retaining as many parts as I can from the old build, and at the same time I'll be installing an aftermarket HSF for the first time. I was hoping to verify that the new mobo + PSU combo works before plunking in the old CPU and going through the process of mounting a large heatsink.

 

[mildgamer001]

Well, if you are worried about static electricity, lay the antistatic bag that the motherboard came in on top of the wooden board. Don't worry. The antistatic bag is not conductive enough to matter.

There's no need to screw the motherboard to the wooden board.

i know this post is really old, but isnt it a BAD idea to put your mobo on the bag it came in? i remember reading or something that said that only the INSIDE of the bag was anti static coated, the outside usually isnt, or are you saying to turn the bag inside out first? plastic is usually a good conductor or static electricity in most cases.

 

[FFM]

i know this post is really old, but isnt it a BAD idea to put your mobo on the bag it came in? i remember reading or something that said that only the INSIDE of the bag was anti static coated, the outside usually isnt, or are you saying to turn the bag inside out first? plastic is usually a good conductor or static electricity in most cases.

Bump to get a answer from pros to the above questions.

(My parts are all arriving early next week. I'm reading around how-to-built threads and how to do dry-runs in order to identify possible DOAs prior to installing everything in the case. Are anti-static wrist band and anti-static pads are worth it ?)

 

[mildgamer001]

Bump to get a answer from pros to the above questions.

(My parts are all arriving early next week. I'm reading around how-to-built threads and how to do dry-runs in order to identify possible DOAs prior to installing everything in the case. Are anti-static wrist band and anti-static pads are worth it ?)

they are (in my opinion) only really worth buying if you plan to use and re-use them, like if you do a lot of repair and building for other people or are wealthy enought to build a new computer every time new crap comes out. but like say if you are the go-to-guy for all your family and nieghbors computer help, it is probably a good idea to get one, that or if you just want to be super safe.