BSA: Software Piracy Cost $50 Billion in 2008

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Do they consider each piece of unlicensed/pirated software as lost income equal to the licensing price? if so, the actual loss would be loser to 500mio - and if not, then the value of pirated software must be a huge number!
 
Happy to do my part. :)

Yes I did rip photoshop, but only to play around with. I'm not an artist by any means, some of us just want to have some fun...
ames on the other hand, I play free ones when I can't afford any, and still do pay for games I want. My legit collection has been likely $2000 in games... hell I even bought WinXP twice.

But like hell I'm paying for photoshop...
 
IMO, piracy sucks but its a nessacary evil to thwart the evils of these software publishers (EA in particuliar) I cant count the number of times that I bought a digital download of some program and got hosed over by some stupid ass DRM bs or SecuROM crashing my DVD burners registry entries, to which EA has not responded to either my emails or letters that i mailed them

it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize that I need to modify my registry entries for my DVD burner, because everytime I run Spore in Vista, I suddenly lose my DVD burner from "My Computer"

Personally, I like that Blizzard has stepped up to the plate with the new Battlenet site now I can toss my old CD's and just do digital downloads directly from them, and I still love Steam and Stardock's online distribution

Compared to EB Games / Gamestop's bullshit site, which you cant even update/patch the games you download from them

So i consider pirating the games I purchased to be ethically morale because I did in fact PAY for the game, I just didnt pay for DRM BS and limited download/activation crap

The only question I have regards to the BSA, Is how the hell do we know these numbers are even close to being correct?
 
[citation][nom]solymnar[/nom]Saying that pirated software was used d/not = software sales lost.Someday these analysts will get a clue on that.[/citation]

Not even used, just downloaded i can guess and even that numbers are from thin air.
I seriously doubt that EU itself is responsible for most of pirate loses in whole world.
 
Also, how many of downloaded stuff from "illegal" sources is done by persons that already own license for that software.

For example downloading XP SP2 instead of plain XP i own just not to bother with downloading all those patches everytime i want reinstall.
Or modified XP instalator so i dont need to supply SATA drivers on floppy disk whitch i dont use last 10 yers, but yet damn M$ still require it.

So i gues M$ and others want me to pay 19 additional licences for each XP image i ever downloaded to use it on SINGLE PC.

Anyone sane can see that those studies are total bul***t.
 
[citation][nom]xrodney[/nom]Also, how many of downloaded stuff from "illegal" sources is done by persons that already own license for that software.For example downloading XP SP2 instead of plain XP i own just not to bother with downloading all those patches everytime i want reinstall.Or modified XP instalator so i dont need to supply SATA drivers on floppy disk whitch i dont use last 10 yers, but yet damn M$ still require it.So i gues M$ and others want me to pay 19 additional licences for each XP image i ever downloaded to use it on SINGLE PC.Anyone sane can see that those studies are total bul***t.[/citation]

Not related to piracy, but if you've already got a plain xp, you can make your own upgraded version easily.
Just copy all the files to a folder (structure intact), download and run 'nlite' and download the service pack 3 file - nlite can implement that directly in the installation, and it can even burn it to a cd for you or create an image. It's the same tool you'd need for adding your own ahci drivers for laptops etc btw.
 
[citation][nom]neiroatopelcc[/nom]Not related to piracy, but if you've already got a plain xp, you can make your own upgraded version easily. Just copy all the files to a folder (structure intact), download and run 'nlite' and download the service pack 3 file - nlite can implement that directly in the installation, and it can even burn it to a cd for you or create an image. It's the same tool you'd need for adding your own ahci drivers for laptops etc btw.[/citation]
Yes, but not everyone have skills to do that and even if you do, why to hasle when someon already spend months doing it before and fixing all potential issues.
Sometime you need to modify some drivers config before you can use them and its not that easy putting multiple drivers updates to install cd, it often tends to finish with errors during installation (yes i tryed that several times and it takes time).
 
Well the only two problems I've run into are 1) running out of disk space, needing a dvd instead. 2) everything working fine, but some programs not doing what they're supposed to on the actual os afterwards. Case in point - a danish xp with sp3 and intel matrix driver integrated. Everything appearing to work fine, but after installing autodesk inventor 2009 32bit, the program fails to start. I ended up reinstalling with an xp sp2 cd (with matrix driver), and upgrading to sp3 afterwards - then it worked.
 
... it iz a nice pdf... nice formulas to estimate the loses... BUT!!! Why they don't use a extensive research of the global market and offer a price, that iz more appealing to people, that are using pirated programs... i think, but this is just my opinion, the high prices are stealing the opportunity to learn... when microsoft is gonna drop tha price of retail to OEM's level, they gonna get tha formal pirates... and microsoft gains market share... and in a longtearm... add audience...
 
your money amounts are full of krap.
and for me i am to poor to be buying all kinds of things but i don't have to pirate stuff.still maybe caause i have a net connection you think i am one who stole.
we all know tjhat you cannot count properly.you figure in everyone like we all are customers who would rush to the store and buy everything you put out.
LIERS
 
Oh give me a break with these studies about how much is lost due to piracy. People here have made some good points:
1) Software is sometimes too darn expensive which leads us so if people weren't able to get it for free they probably wouldn't buy it anyway
2) Companies are happy with people that can't afford their software pirating it. Just imagine you are Microsoft. Of course you'd like the PC owner to pay for Windows, that would be nice but if he doesn't want to pay you'd rather he use a pirated Windows than Linux. Then later on you can shove the license for Windows down his throat too eventually. But if he were to get used to Linux or OpenOffice that wouldn't be nice now, would it. So most companies tolerate piracy and it's good for them as long as there are enough people buying the software.
 
Well the REAL problem is that MOST companies do NOT offer a free trial download.....people don't want to spend hundreds only to find out they wasted their money......

how many companies do you know that dont offer trials.

I have been anti microsoft for years.....changed my mind a little not that for the FIRST TIME you can use a product beyond 90-120 days....windows 7 till next year!

i bet i will buy it when it's available!
 
How do they come up with this number?

If they can honestly come up with a figure of $50.2 million then they must know exactly how many times software was downloaded illegally.
If they know how many times it was downloaded illegally then they must know where it was downloaded to.
If they know where it was downloaded to then they should know who downloaded it.
If they know who downloaded it then they should be able to go arrest that person.

I don't see anyone being arrested so I ask again. How are they coming up with this figure?
 
I am happy for one reason, at least there at BSA they've done their homework at geography and history and they have FYROM correctly written :) For once they did sth right
 
Those numbers are wrong: They are not considering the fact that people that doesn't have the money, they won't buy expensive software.

And it's too bad big company's create jobs for idiots that will validate their jobs on false accusation and numbers.
 
I don't see anyone being arrested so I ask again. How are they coming up with this figure?
This is actually a really good question. I think the only way to get an exact number would be to kick down everybodys door and inspect the software on their system. Since the BSA obviously didn't do that I looked at their PDF to figure out what they did do.

They used IDC for their data. There is a siplified explaination on page 4 and a more complete one on page 17. Basically they surveyed about 3600 individuals to determine the software that they had installed and from that developed an expected software instalation. (Obviously the expected software on a computer varied by region.) Then they totaled up the number of computers that they were aware of and checked that against the software sold in that region.

Obviously 3600 surveys is far too few. I wouldn't consider this to be enough surveys to properly aproximate the US's software use, but the BSA used that many surveys to aproximate the worlds software use.

On the other hand 3600 surveys is a lot to go through. I suppose this is the most acurate piracy aproximation that we have right now...
 
[citation][nom]solymnar[/nom]Saying that pirated software was used d/not = software sales lost.Someday these analysts will get a clue on that.[/citation]

They know that already, but won't admit it. This is their one and only defense in suing pirates and co. so they will never really tell the truth about this.

It's up to the public to be better educated, don't trust corporate interests.
 
[citation][nom]rhino13[/nom]Basically they surveyed about 3600 individuals to determine the software that they had installed and from that developed an expected software instalation.[/citation]

Even using this type of failed formula I find it hard to believe they could even come up with $50.2 million.

Scenario = (knock at door) Dork standing there with clipboard
Dork: Hello, I am doing a survey on your computer software.
Long John Silver: You talking about my porn? I don't have any porn! Who told you that?!
Dork: Ummm...no. I was wondering if I could ask you about what type of software you are running.
Long John Silver: Everything
Dork: Ummm...ok. Let's try an example. Would you happen to be running Adobe's Creative Suite 4 Master Collection?
Long John Silver: Yes
Dork: Did you find the asking price of $2500 expensive for the product?
Long John Silver: It costs how much??? I mean yes...I mean no.
Dork: Sir, do you pirate software?
Long John Silver: Ummm...no. Wow look at the time. Excuse me, I need to get back to my porn...I mean, go away!

Point is, nobody is going to openly admit to the industry about pirating and surveying 3600 people will not get you a fair average about anything.

Is pirating hurting the media industries? I don't think so. The people who really want it and support the industries will be in the stores with credit cards in hand purchasing everything they are told to purchase.

I believe numbers such as $50.2 million are trumped up so they can sit back and whine about how they are losing money which in turns allows for more laws to be passed allowing for more of a monopolized control over consumers by both corporations and government.

Sales are not lost to pirating for personal use. The ones reselling it on black markets are of course hurting the bottom line but not to the tune of $50.2 million. If someone uses a product like Adobe Creative Suite for their livelihood then be assured they will be purchasing it legally. There is +1 sale. John Q. Public that downloaded a copy of it to fix some red-eye in a photo was never going to purchase it to begin with so you cannot count that as a lost sale. 0 money was lost in that download.

In the end its all moot. The opponents and proponents of pirating will never reach an agreement on the matter. There will always be a back and forth on if it really takes money away or actually helps the businesses. The only fact that can be agreed upon is that there will always be pirating of media.
 
This is of course assuming that all of the pirated materials were not bought after using the pirated program, and of course that if piracy was impossible that everyone who pirated the software would have bought it if there were no other ways. The dollar amount is compete B.S.
 
The United States I believe has GDP of about fourteen trillion dollars.
Zimbabwe has about two billion GDP.
Armenia has about eighteen billion GDP.
Georgia has about twenty one billion GDP.
Bangladesh has about eighty one billion GDP.

With the exception of Bangladesh, who isn't as poor as the others but in comparison to the US is still poor, these countries are rather poor. In no way is poverty a good excuse to steal anything, but it might have a big play in the amount of pirated software in these countries.
 
The people who develop software need time and money to make their products, so they require paying customers to maintain their respective operations. When I buy a piece of software, I do it with the knowledge that I am probably subsidizing piracy somewhere along the line. I won't go into the moral issues here; let's just say I'm not thrilled about the situation.

Piracy is considered a business risk by software companies, and the insurance they have against this risk is a customer base willing to buy, not pirate, their software. If the piracy risks become great enough, software prices will inevitably rise. If the price of a particular piece of software becomes too high, I might decide I can't afford the software. I believe that is what's known as a "lost sale." And that's just one scenario.

I like saving money as much as the next guy, and some of the audio software I use is very expensive, but I've never been able to justify using pirated versions of any of my audio software.

Pirates say that if such-and-such pirate-ware weren't available, they'd just use some freeware substitute. Well, if that's true, why not just use the freeware app now? There's nothing stopping you. Erase that pirated word processing app and use the freeware one.

Well, this is why the pirate won't switch to the freeware app: the pirated app is better than the freeware app, in the pirate's mind. I suggest that a paying customer base might have something to do with that perception.
 
To say its ok to pirate something cause you wouldn't have bought it anyways is a lame argument. The point is working for money, then saving it for the things you want/need most is what most people do. Photoshop is so expensive because you don't just play with it. Most people who use photoshop, do so cause they are MAKING money with it. The 800$ is an investment, not a game. Students get a cheaper version cause they are not allowed to make money with theirs. If you don't like it, then use GIMP. Its free and works great for most tasks. I agree that most games are way more expensive than they should be and that they could easily sale great enough numbers at a lower price range to compensate the smaller revenue per unit offset.
I also don't believe in the lame argument that pirated software means lost revenue either, however it is naive to say that it doesn't effect it at all. This report is just a guesstimate of what they have come up with using complex math formulas to approximate a number based on some known numbers, and many unknown, to get an idea of what it probably is around. Of course its done by a business agency, as piracy affects businesses. Duh.
My point is, don't be greedy and say that you "can't afford" A game here and there, just cause the game YOU want is expensive, then pirate 20 games. If you were working instead of playing 20 games, maybe you would have been able to afford 5 of them...and then maybe been a productive member of the society you are leeching off of. So, software designers aren't supposed to eat while they work to make the products you refuse to pay for, then steal? Sorry, but piracy is stealing the property of someone who did not give you permission to copy their hard work. Did you buy your cloths? How about your car? If you don't like the system that is present, then don't be apart of it. Go live down in some remote region of Brazil. Or better yet, just go without a couple video games, and make your choices wisely. Pirates are also killing P2P networking in the eyes of most businesses, as torrents are almost synonymous with piracy thanks them.
How would you like it if someone walked up to you at work and took a quarter of your paycheck, and said that it was because the other guys on the crew didn't want to pull there weight on the job, so money was lost overall, thus part of your check had to be use for the company's project expenses. Pirates are the lazy A-holes that didn't want to work.
Sourceforge folks. There are free open source programs for almost any need/OS/Computer type.
Look, I know there will always be pirates, theft, murder, vandalism, etc. But just cause it exists, is a pretty piss poor arguments to join in, especially when you wouldn't want it done to you.
Thats my 85cents....
 
They also count actual free software as a loss because it's not a "sale". So each copy of, say, OpenOffice counts as $600 that Microsoft doesn't get. BTW, the BSA is primarily funded by Microsoft, so ....
 
I have no pirated software on my PC.

PSP 9.011 is better than Photoshop... I got Photoshop CS5 free with my scanner and its filters practically destroy photos compared to PSP 9.011. PSP 9.011 also has an awesome interface. I also compared it to my motherinlaws uptodate PS.
PSP 9.01 (+ its 512 page book) = $30USD add patch 9.011... solid... done.

The Flash studio is the only thing I can think I might buy from Adobe one day... but I agree their prices hurt, it will hurt me when I buy Flash 😱P
 
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