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Hello everyone,

I'm a french man, & I will wish to build a pc for me to realize mainly 3D rendering.

My needs are:
- Make 3D rendering as quickly as possible.
- Perform the basic multi-task while rendering 3D without this ram.
- Manage large scenes.

My Software used:
- 3DStudio Max
- Vray
- Adobe Suite


This PC is for purely professional use. I wish a most optimized possible configuration for this type of work within the given budget.

Budget: +/- € 3,000

Not knowing much, can you offer me configurations corresponding to my needs, and develop your choice for me to understand.

Thank you in advance, have good day!
 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5960X 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($899.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($99.75 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX4 20g Thermal Paste ($19.78 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme4 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($184.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung XP941 Series 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Green 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($135.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX Titan X 12GB Superclocked Video Card ($999.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($98.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit) ($138.89 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link Archer T4U 802.11a/b/g/n/ac USB 3.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 109.9 CFM 120mm Fan ($23.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 109.9 CFM 120mm Fan ($23.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 109.9 CFM 120mm Fan ($23.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 109.9 CFM 120mm Fan ($23.98 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Logitech MK550 Wireless Ergonomic Keyboard w/Laser Mouse ($46.03 @ Amazon)
Total: $3425.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-24 03:26 EDT-0400
 


Thank you for your prompt response.
But I suddenly few questions:

- Why choose an i7 and not a Xeon or two? For other opinions have been given to me and no one offers the same thing.
Certain offers two to 32 Xeon cores but as a GTX 970 GC.

Thank you in advance.
 


I chose an i7 over Xeon because of the Titan X. Motherboard=Ram for the Xeon is more expensive.

GTX 970 is a gaming graphics card. For professional use at the very least you want a Titan X; at the best a Quadro. But your budget is not that much thats why I put a i7.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E5-2697 V3 2.6GHz 14-Core Processor ($2549.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU: Intel Xeon E5-2697 V3 2.6GHz 14-Core Processor ($2549.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($99.75 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($99.75 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX4 20g Thermal Paste ($19.78 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z10PE-D8 WS SSI EEB Dual-CPU LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($524.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial 64GB (4 x 16GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory ($563.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial 64GB (4 x 16GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory ($563.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Samsung XP941 Series 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($339.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 PRO 2TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($947.96 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 PRO 2TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($947.96 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY Quadro M6000 12GB Video Card ($4998.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Silverstone Raven ATX Full Tower Case ($249.17 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 1200W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($194.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit) ($138.89 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link Archer T4U 802.11a/b/g/n/ac USB 3.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 109.9 CFM 120mm Fan ($23.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 109.9 CFM 120mm Fan ($23.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 109.9 CFM 120mm Fan ($23.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-3000 PWM 109.9 CFM 120mm Fan ($23.98 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Logitech MK550 Wireless Ergonomic Keyboard w/Laser Mouse ($46.03 @ Amazon)
Total: $15007.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-24 05:15 EDT-0400
 


Ah yes, it gets immediately a little more expensive ...
So according to you, the previous configuration is best shown in the budget and for my needs?

I currently have a 2600 i7 and an AMD 6870 and 8GB of RAM, the gain (%) in time to calculate how much could be estimated? The investment is worth it?

Again thank you for your answers.
 


For youyr budget the i7 config is better yes.



I honestly have no idea.

Only you can know if its worth to you or not.
 


Thank you for your answers !
 


Chadou54,

Systems that are made for the best performance in both 3D modeling and rendering need a good balance of both many CPU cores / threads and clock speed plus good precision, and a workstation GPU. In summary, a dual Xeon > ECC RAM > Quadro system. Rendering can use all available cores / threads, but the speed also needs to be good for 3D modeling.. There is no question of having overclocking for stabibility reasons. The Quadro is important to run the special drivers for high anti-aliasing, the viewports in 3ds, have the precision for accurate shadows / reflections.

Here is a suggestion that has specifications especially for modeling and rendering. this is based on a Supermicro Superworkstation chassis which includes the case, motherboard, and power supply and you need only plug in the CPU's, RAM, GPU's, and drives. Supermicro is famous for high performance and high quality server and workstation components. This is a much easier than researching, ordering, and assembling many parts.

the complication of making a recommendation is that prices vary so widely. A system specified in USD ($) and then converted to EUR will not be within the EUR 3000 budget as prices for components are so much higher in Europe. But here is a system idea that was priced in EUR from listings on Geizhals DE

BambiBoom PixelCannon Cadamodelrendergrapharific iWork TurboBlast Extreme SuperModel 9000 ®©$$™®£™©™_ 3.20.15

1. CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1650 v3 Six-Core Processor 3.5 / 3.8GHz 0GT/s 15MB LGA 2011-v3 CPU> Eur 628
____ http://ark.intel.com/products/82765/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1650-v3-15M-Cache-3_50-GHz
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=E51650V3BX

____ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Xeon-E5-1650V3-3-50GHZ_980731.html

2. CPU Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo Tower Kühler> EUR 28

____ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/CoolerMaster-Hyper-212-Evo-Tower-Kuehler_777730.html

3. Motherboard: ASRock X99 WS Intel X99 So.2011-3 Quad Channel DDR4 EATX> EUR 293

____ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/ASRock-X99-WS-Intel-X99-So-2011-3-Quad-Channel-DDR4-EATX-Retail_975174.html

4. RAM: 32GB (4X 8GB) Samsung DDR4 RAM / PC2133 /ECC/UB (2Rx8) EUR 532 (EUR 133 each)

____ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-Samsung-DDR4-RAM-PC2133--ECC-UB--2Rx8-_998027.html

5. GPU: PNY NVIDIA Quadro K4200 4GB GDDR5 PCIe Graphics Card (VCQK4200-PB) > EUR 717.
____ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4096MB-PNY-Quadro-K4200-GDDR5_974926.html

6. Drive 1: Crucial MX100 512GB Crucial MX100 2.5" (6.4cm) SATA 6Gb/s MLC (CT512MX100SSD1)> EUR 177___
____ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/512GB-Crucial-MX100-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-MLC--CT512MX100SSD1-_964955.html

6ALT: Samsung SSD XP941 256GB, M.2 (MZHPU256HCGL-00000) ab € 214,99 (Extremely fast M.2 SSD)

http://geizhals.de/samsung-ssd-xp941-256gb-mzhpu256hcgl-00000-a1105676.html

7. Drive 2: 2000GB WD Black WD2003FZEX 64MB 3.5" (8.9cm) SATA 6Gb/s> EUR 131 (Files, Backup, System Image)

____ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/2000GB-WD-Black-WD2003FZEX-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_935410.html

8. PSU: 750 Watt Seasonic G-Series G-750 Modular 80+ Gold> EUR 127
____ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/750-Watt-Seasonic-G-Series-G-750-Modular-80--Gold_928831.html

9. Optical Drive: Pioneer DVR-TD11RS DVD-RW SATA 1.5Gb/s intern schwarz Bulk > EUR 24

10. Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 750D mit Sichtfenster Big Tower ohne Netzteil schwarz > > EUR 148

____ http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Corsair-Obsidian-Series-750D-mit-Sichtfenster-Big-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-sch_934106.html

11. Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Pro inkl. SP1 64 Bit Deutsch OEM/SB > EUR 139

________________________________________________________

TOTAL = EUR 2.944

The E5-1650 v3 has about the best cost /performance of any Xeon that I know. This provides 6-cores / 12 threads at 3.5 /3.8GHz. so fast clock speeds for both modeling and rendering. There are 22 systems on Passmark Performance Test using the E5-1650 v3 and Quado K4200. the highest rated:

Rating = 5656 (The following system ratings are: 5576, 5554, 5537)
CPU =13906 (Dell T5810)
2D = 616 (Quadro K4200)
3D = 4576
Mem = 2618 (32GB)
Disk = 22329 (LSI MR9361-8i)

As mentioned, a dual CPU system is preferable, but may be difficult with the budget of EUR 3000. This system concept (priced in USD) uses a Xeon E5-2630 v2. Of course, the current series are the Haswell v3, but I feel there are some gaps in the core to speed balance in the v3's and the E5-2630 v2 will 3D model at 3.1GHz and has 6-cores /12 threads each to render at 2.6Ghz. with E5-2600-series with hiigh core counts, the CPU's that also are fast are tres cher.

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Case /Motherboard /Power supply : SuperWorkstation 7037A-i Dual LGA2011 / Suprmicro X9DAi / 900W Mid-Tower Workstation Barebone System (Black) > $663

http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/tower/7038/SYS-7038A-i.cfm
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=SY-7038AI

CPU: 2X Intel Xeon E5-2630 v2 Six-Core Ivy Bridge EP Processor 2.6 / 3.1GHz 7.2GT/s 15MB LGA 2011 CPU, Retail > $1178 ($589 each)

http://ark.intel.com/products/75790
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=E52630V2BX

Memory: 32GB (4x 8GB) Kingston 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Server Memory Model KVR18E13/8> $252 ($63ea.) (This is arranged so as to eventually have 64GB)

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=D4218G4S1

GPU: 2X > PNY Quadro K4200 VCQK4200-PB 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Workstation Video Card > $1578 ($789 each).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133558&cm_re=quadro_k4200-_-14-133-558-_-Product

RAID Controller : LSI 9341 MegaRAID SAS 9341-8i (LSI00407) PCI-Express 3.0 x8 Low Profile SATA / SAS High Performance Eight-Port 12Gb/s RAID Controller (Single Pack)--Avago Technologies > $300

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118219&cm_re=LSI_12GB%2fs-_-16-118-219-_-Product

Disk 1: SAMSUNG 850 PRO MZ-7KE512BW 2.5" 512GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) > $258.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=SAMSUNG+850+PRO+MZ-7KE512BW+&N=-1&isNodeId=1

Disks 2, 3: 2X Seagate Constellation ES.3 ST3000NM0033 3 TB 3.5" Internal Hard Drive> #390 ($195 Each) (Files, Backup, System Image)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=WD+Black+2TB&N=-1&isNodeId=1

Optical Disk: LG Black 16x Blu-Ray BDXL SATA Internal rewriter with 3D Playback, Model BH16NS40 > $100

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136264

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit English (1-Pack), OEM > $139.

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MSFQC08289
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TOTAL = $4858

If you prefer to use a Haswell eE5-2600 v3- which also uses DDR4-2133 instead of DDR3-1866:

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CPU: (2) Intel Xeon Processor E5-2620 v3 : 4-core @ 2.4 / 3.2 GHz, 15M Cache,135W > $2,000 ($1,000 ea)

http://ark.intel.com/products/83352
http://www.superbiiz.com/query.php?s=E5-2637+v3+

CPU Cooler: (2) Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler > $156 ($78 ea.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: Supermicro X10DAi > $400

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C60...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: 32GB (4x 8GB) Samsung DDR4-2133 8GB/1Gx72 ECC/REG CL15 Server Memory > $456 ($114ea.)

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=D4218G4S1

GPU: PNY NVIDIA Quadro K4200 4GB GDDR5 DVI/2DisplayPorts PCI-Express Video Card > $829.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133558&cm_re=quadro_K4200-_-14-133-558-_-Product

Disk 1: Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)) > $113.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148820&cm_re=crucial_mx100-_-20-148-820-_-Product

Disk 2 WD BLACK SERIES WD1003FZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive > $74

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical Disk: SAMSUNG DVD Burner 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA Model SH-224DB/RSBS > $20

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series X-850 (SS-850KM3 Active PFC F3) 850W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply> $150.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: LIAN LI PC-D8000 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case > $340

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Fan Controller: NZXT Sentry-2 5.25" Touch Screen Fan Controller > $23.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit English (1-Pack), OEM > $139.

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MSFQC08289
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TOTAL = $4765

One other approach to this system is a bit unconventional, but with careful purachses could produce the best performance for the cost. That is to buy a used Dell Precision T7610 that is only the case, motherboard, and power supply:

DELL PRECISION T7610 Barebone Workstation ! Build your own System !! > £247.85

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DELL-PRECISION-T7610-Barebone-Workstation-Build-your-own-System-/321567999837?hash=item4adef2475d

Then you buy:

2X Intel Xeon E5-2650v2 @ 2.6 / 3.4GHz Eight Core Processor > £770 (£381.30 each)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-2650v2-2-6GHz-Eight-Core-Processor-/141752491840?hash=item21011b5f40

64GB RAM (8X8GB) about £320

Used Quadro K4200 > about £450

Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD > about £110

Western Digital Black 3TB > £120

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About £2020 = EUR 2770

On Passmark Peforrmance test, there are 7- T7610's using 2X E5-2650 v2. the top rated system:

Rating = 4286 (The following system ratings are: 4067, 3952, 3904)
CPU = 21913 The very high calculation cycle rate is the key feature of a dual CPU.
2D = 616 (Quadro K4000)
3D = 6601 (Titan Z) ( a Quadro K4200 scores 4338 on a T7610)
Mem = 2413 (64GB)
Disk = 23082 (LSI MR9271-8i) ( a hardware RAIS controller is very good idea on this kind of system.

Sorry for all the currencies and conversions, but I feel this is realistic for France. And in this way you have a system with 16 cores /32 threads @ 2.6 /3.4GHz, 64GB RAM, a fast GPU to which a second may be added in SLI, and a simple but fast disk system with a lot of storage. I have upgraded three used Dell Precision in the last 5 years- see the T5500 that cost about $900 total listed below and these have all had perfect reliability. I've had eight used Quadros since 2004 also with perfect reliability- my 2003 FX 580 (used in an Optiplex 740 backup system) still works perfectly on the current Quadro driver.

Again, these are quick cut and paste ideas, but at least might start a conversation.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

1. HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 six-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz > 32GB DDR3 ECC 1866 RAM > Quadro K4200 (4GB) > Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) > Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > 600W PSU> Logitech z2300 > Linksys AE3000 USB WiFi > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440) > Windows 7 Professional 64 >
[ Passmark Rating = 5064 > CPU= 13989 / 2D= 819 / 3D= 4596 / Mem= 2772 / Disk= 4555] [Cinebench R15 > CPU = 1014 OpenGL= 126.59 FPS] 7.8.15

2. Dell Precision T5500 (2011) > Xeon X5680 six -core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz, 24GB DDR3 ECC 1333 > Quadro K2200 (4GB ) > Samsung 840 250GB / WD RE4 Enterprise 1TB > M-Audio 192 sound card > Linksys WMP600N PCI WiFi > 875W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64> HP 2711x (1920 X 1080)
[ Passmark system rating = 3490 / CPU = 9178 / 2D= 685 / 3D= 3566 / Mem= 1865 / Disk= 2122] [Cinebench 15 > CPU = 772 OpenGL= 99.72 FPS] 7.8.15

 


Chadou54,

On Passmark Performance Test results, there are 298 systems using the i7-2600 and Radeon HD 6870. The results are very good, the top system is:

Rating = 5397 (The following system ratings are: 4723, 4559, 4509, 4506, 4380 so the top system is exceptional)
CPU = 11475 (motherboard is ASRock Z77 Extremee4
2D = 948
3D = 3148
Mem = 3204 (32GB)
Disk = 8374 (Intel RAID 0)

While the 3D modeling should be quite good, the limitation is having only 4 cores /8 threads for rendering.

Cheers,

BambiBoom


 
BamiBoom,

I work together with Chadou54 and you have been of such a great help to us. Thank you very much.

This is what we might are going for, only waiting for the OK from Boss:

Case/MoBo/Power Supply : Supermicro Super Workstation 7038A-i
http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/tower/7038/SYS-7038A-i.cfm Super X10DAi MOBO 900W

> 685 €

CPU : 2x INTEL XEON E5-2630 v3 8-Core Haswell-EP Processor 2.4 GHZ
https://www.alternate.de/html/product/1152339
http://ark.intel.com/fr/products/83356/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2630-v3-20M-Cache-2_40-GHz

>1498€ (749 € each)

Memory : Crucial DIMM 32 GB DDR4-2133 Quad Kit 4*8GB
https://www.alternate.de/Crucial/DIMM-32-GB-DDR4-2133-Quad-Kit-Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1155040?event=search

>192€

GPU : PNY QUADRO K4200 4GB
https://www.alternate.de/PNY/NVIDIA-Quadro-K4200-Grafikkarte/html/product/1153844?tk=7&lk=8407

>979€

Storage : Crucial 250 GB SSD
https://www.alternate.de/Crucial/CT250MX200SSD1-250-GB-Solid-State-Drive/html/product/1179489?tk=7&lk=8560

>98€

Storage : WD 2 TB From old PC, possibility to buy more in the future.

>0 €

Optilal Disk : Still have some in Stock from older PCs

>0 €

Operating System : W7 Prof, also have some licences left

>0 €

Total : 3452 € (Tax included : 586 €)

This would fit our budget, and I think would be a very nice Render Station.
Maybe upgrade to 64GB of Ram later and add second GPU?

Another question BambyBoom, when rendering, will it still be possible to use other software as checking Emails, Surfing, or even use Photoshop for example? Is the amount of RAM what is important in this case?

Thank you,

Hilite24
 
There might be a problem with the build I posted just above :/

I just checked the TDP for the MoBo : up to 160W PDT
The Intel Xeon E5-2630v3 has PDT of 85W

I suppose the 160W limit is for both CPU's together.
So logically if I take two E5-2630v3 I'd be above the 160W limit with 170W...

Can anybody confirm this?
 
Got my question answered :

Dear Hilite24,

The TDP is per CPU.
So it can support the highest TDP (for each CPU) Intel uses in this series.


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Hoi Hilite24,

You and Chadou54 are very welcome. Architects love to spend other people's money!

RAM: The amount of RAM is based on a number of factors, the most important of which is the number of programs used at one time. I often run 2D CAD, 3D CAD, Photo editing, Graphics Design, Word Processing and sometimes two browsers at one time. I think of each application as 3GB plus 4GB fro Windows and operations so the above equals 7 x3GB + 4GB= 26GB. To this iI add a healthy amount of overhead for the projects. the more calculation-intensive the proceses- the more RAM it uses to swap I/O. I think of both 3D modeling and rendering as the most CPU-intensive- though rendering is shifting towards the GPU. Sometimes I've looked at Task Manager > Performance which shows the amount of RAM used and also the CPU activity and the maximum use I've seen was 23GB of RAM and 60% CPU use on my previous systems though peaks may have been higher. that system had 24GB of RAM, so it's possible I had maximized it's use so my current system has 32GB. In a dual CPU system for rendering, my suggestion is to plan for 64GB- use 8GB modules, but you can start with 32GB and it may be enough if the system is doing more or less one task set at a time- it's either modeling or rendering.

CPU vs. GPU Rendering: Because I use some of the same software- 3ds (Design) , Vray (for Sketchup), and Adobe (CS6), I'd been thinking about your project and looked more carefully into the best hardware for these programs. Rendering software today does vary as to performance depending on CPU or GPU configuration. In general, rendering is shifting away from CPU to GPU rendering, which can be much faster. Some users feel that CPU rendering, while taking more time results in higher quality, and that has been my experience, especially when there are multiple light sources, reflections,and water. However, as a designer I'm not a true expert in rendering and it's a relatively small portion of my time compared to modeling.

Given the importance of the CPU as compared to GPU rendering is so important to your proposed system, I feel that a little more study as to the priorities of use is a good idea. The IRay rendering incorporated in 3ds since version 2014when run GPU-based, and also Vray is demonstrated to run faster with a GPU-orientation. Also Adobe CS is CUDA accelerated- and is also increasingly CPU multi-threaded, especially Premiere.

For the proposed system, my idea is to whether, the CPU's should be changed to fewer but faster cores to improve modeling speed. Also, instead of the Quadro K4200, consider buying a used Quadro K5200 (8GB). This would increase the CUDA cores from 1344 to 2304. It's possible that this shift would have a better balance of faster cores /threads for modeling and increased CUDA cores for GPU-oriented rendering. The change in the CPU /GPU emphasis system could make the system faster in your work and more versatile. The K5200 is more expensive:

1X Nvidia Quadro K5200 8GB GPU Monitor Graphics Card > £796.43 (about EUR 1.090)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1X-Nvidia-Quadro-K5200-8GB-GPU-Monitor-Graphics-Card-/181818608931?hash=item2a553bcd23

But, given the trends towards GPU rendering, a K5200 seems worthwhile to consider. Becuase Quadros are made to run under stress continuously, they are very reliable and don't hesitate to buy used ones- though not too old. I've had 8 used Quadro in the last 11 years and never a single failure- the 2003 FX580 I bought for $35 in 2005 still works perfectly and both the K2200 and K4200 I use now were a few months old- work beautifully and saved quite a lot of money- together about $400.

So, perhaps also suggest considering used, faster Xeon CPU's either 6 or 4 cores. This is a bit complicated an equation, but possibly the Xeon E5-2637 v3 which is 4-cores @ 3.5 / 3.8GHz (about EUR 870 each ). On Passmark a pair scores 17101 and is ranked No. 39. This compares to 15689 and No. 46 for a pair of E5-2620 v3 6-core @ 2.4 / 3.2Ghz. [Note: I also noticed today that the bandwidth is 59GB/s instead of 69 and the maximum RAM speed for the E5-2620 v3 is 1866 instead of 2133 of other E5-v3's. this may or may not be important.] The CPU scores might be thought of as a relative number of cycles / processing so it's possible that in multi-threaded applications like rendering, fewer but faster cores will still render as quickly, but of course the +600Mhz higher first cores speed is an advantage in 3D modeling.

I believe the proposed system would have a very good performance but is worth having one last consideration.

Doei,

BambiBoom
 
BambiBoom,

sry for repling this late.

I think we'll start with 32 GB of Ram and upgrade an in a few months if really needed. I think it's also possible to tell 3ds how much RAM he can use, and maybe use 16GB, which I think leaves enough RAM for other Programs such as Browser (Firefox which is less RAM hungry as Chrome f.ex.), Photoshop and Outlook.

I would definetly go for a used GPU, but the boss doesnt really like the idea of buying used products...
This leaves us with the K4200, best price I can get for it is 715€. In Vray you can use the Real-Time Render with CPU, CUDA or OPENCL. This is great for doing bigger and also minor changes to your scene before doing the final production Render using CPU. We havent found a way to do the final Render using GPU.

We are using a K2000 at the moment which has only 384 Cuda Cores. Using the Cuda Real-Time Render it does render much faster than with CPU and is not super fluid but you can work with it. Opening Photoshop just makes everything slow and almost unusable. But this is normal I guess,considering the 8GB of RAM.

Instead of the Xeon E5-2637 v3 which is 4-cores @ 3.5 / 3.8GHz (about EUR 870 each ) why not go with an ntel® Core™ i7-5930K at 3.5 and 650€?

Here are the 2 best Offers I got from two diffrent dealers:

- German Dealer, I found on the Website of SuperMicro:

1. SuperMicro Barebone Superwoirkstation SYS-7038A-I
685 €

2. Intel Xeon e5-2630v3 2,4 GHZ
1196 € / 598 € each

3. SuperMicro CPU Vent
69,80 € / 34,90 € each

4. Samsung 32 GB Supermicro Certified
285€

5. PNY NVIDIA Quadro K4200 4GB
715 €

TOTAL : 2950,80 €
Delivery: 39.50 €
Assembling : 70 € (optional)



- Luxembourgish Dealer, and our main supplier in PC's but only selling HP, which means +XX€ for being HP...:

1. Z640 6C E5-2620v3 16GB 1TB HDD DVDRW W7P 64b
1920.- €

2. 6C Xeon E5-2620v3 2.4 1866 2ndCPU
779.- €

3. 256GB 2,5" SATA 6GB/s SSD 7mm
110.- €

4. 16GB DDR4-2133MHz ECC REG RAM
195.- €

5. PNY NVIDIA Quadro K4200 4GB
715.- €

TOTAL : 3719 €
Delivery : 0 €
Assembling : 0 €

I know that my boss would prefer buying for lux. dealer as it would be much easier to handle if there would be some kind of problem, but considering the price diffrence, we might go with the german one.

Hilite
 


Hilite24,

I've visited a lot of architects and engineers and these companies not only insist on new components, but I've never known one that ever assembled a system more than once. This is because problems are very costly per hour- work time lost.

A proprietary system- HP or Dell will always be more expensive and this reflects the cost of development and special parts. I think the Superworkstation solution is a good- middle path- as it is more a less a proprietary system- produced by the maker some of the best server and workstation motherboards, the parts integrated to work together, with very good features and supposed to be very quiet. This saves a hundred detailed decisions.

The LU arrangement looks very good. The i7-5930K is an excellent CPU and would probably be highly functional, but would have to be discarded if you wanted to take advantage of the dual CPU motherboard in the SYS-7038A-I, which requires a Xeon E5-2600 v3 series. The single or dual CPU is one of the tipping points of workstations- and as there is always a premium for dual CPU's- the motherboard and of course the two CPU's make it much more expensive.

It's possible to have a good rendering results with a single CPU, for example the E5-1680 v3:

http://ark.intel.com/products/82767

> Which is 8-core @ 3.2 /3.8 GHz- and this is in my view a very good balance of cores and high clock speed. But, expensive. On Passmark, this is the No. 9 highest rated CPU- scoring 17130. Comparing, a pair of Xeon E5-2637 v3 (Rated No 39) scores 17010- almost exactly the same, but a pair of E5-2630 v3 is No, 32 at 18901. Consider that full-core CPU rendering on the E5-1830 v3 would be 16 threads at 3.2Ghz while the E5-2630 v3 is 24 threads- +50% threads but at 2.4Ghz instead of 3.2GHz is still better. For rendering the dual E5-2630 is faster- a bit, but for modeling, the 1830 is faster- a bit- 3.8 vs.3.5GHz and a single CPU system will be somewhat less expensive- but the E5-1680 v3 is likely to cost €1500 or so- I couldn't find a price in DE . This the complication of this choice- there are positives on both sides, but I think the E5-2630 v3 is the better solution.

The Superworkstation price of € 665 is very good- Geizhals DE wants € 871.

So, yes, I think you are going in a very good direction.

I would enjoy knowing how the project progresses.

Cheers,

BambiBoom
 


Hello Bambiboom,

We have a news !
We ordered the following PC:

Supermicro Barebone SuperWorkstation SYS-7038A-I
Intel Xeon E5-2630v3 2,4Ghz Box Sockel 2011-3
Supermicro CPU Kuhler SNK-P0050Ap4 Sockel 2011 4U
Samsung 8 GB reg. ECC DDR4 DIMM SDRAM *4
Samsung 850 Pro MZ-7KE256BW, 256 GB 63,5 mm SSD
Delock 18105 Adapterschienen HDD 63,5mm (2,5")
PNY NVIDIA Quadro K4200 4GB GDDR5 VCQK4200-PB

+ that we recover the previous pc

Chadou54.
 
Chadou54 wrote:

"Hello Bambiboom,

We have a news !
We ordered the following PC:

Supermicro Barebone SuperWorkstation SYS-7038A-I
Intel Xeon E5-2630v3 2,4Ghz Box Sockel 2011-3
Supermicro CPU Kuhler SNK-P0050Ap4 Sockel 2011 4U
Samsung 8 GB reg. ECC DDR4 DIMM SDRAM *4
Samsung 850 Pro MZ-7KE256BW, 256 GB 63,5 mm SSD
Delock 18105 Adapterschienen HDD 63,5mm (2,5")
PNY NVIDIA Quadro K4200 4GB GDDR5 VCQK4200-PB

+ that we recover the previous pc

Chadou54

Hey Chadou54,

Very good news ! Yes, everything appears to be in order and the system should have excellent performance.

Important: Enough time has passed that the release of the new Quadro M4000 is only a few days away (3 October15):

http://www.nvidia.fr/object/quadro-desktop-gpus-fr.html

If you see the specifications, this has 8GB of RAM, 1664 CUDA cores and the Maxwell series GPU - the M6000 has it. The K4200 uses the Kepler GPU. In the US, the price of the M4000 is $889, or $100 more than the K4200. I've have read more than one comment that the M4000 is near in performance to the K6000, which in the US cost, $4,600, and is certainly faster than a K5200 (8GB) which costs $1,800. If it's not too late or too much trouble with your order, you might consider changing the K4200 to an M4000. I think it will be fantastic.

But, regardless, I think your future system will be fantastic as well. When setting the system, you can download the free trial of Passmark Performance Test and check the performance relative to other similar systems. It would be interesting.

There are 17 systems on Passmark using the E5-2630 v3 and Quadro K4200, 7 systems with one CPU and 7 with two CPU's. The highest rated system:

Rating = 5499
CPU = 20071 (Supermicro X10DRI-T )
2D = 721
3D = 4421
Mem = 2400 (192GB!)
Disk = 28419 (Areca ARC-1883-VOL#000)

The fastest system on Passmark using the E5-2630 v3:

Rating = 5565
CPU = 21464 (ASUS Z10PE-D8 WS )
2D = 818 (GTX Titan X)
3D = 10648
Mem = 2277 (32GB)
Disk = 5466 (Samsung 850 EVO 500GB)

The rating is higher due to the extreme 3D score of the Titan X and this shows the very good performance of the Samsung 800 series SSD's. The system above with the 5499 rating is the second fastest.

For comparison, my HP z420 with an E5-1660 v2, 32GB RAM, and K4200:

[ Passmark Rating = 5064 > CPU= 13989 / 2D= 819 / 3D= 4596 / Mem= 2772 / Disk= 4555] [Cinebench R15 > CPU = 1014 OpenGL= 126.59 FPS] 7.8.15

Where the single CPU is of course, not producing compute cycles at the rate of the double E5-2630 v3. The highest performing single E5-2630 v3 system hasa CPU score of 13650 on an Intel S2600CW motherboard. That is very good news since the E5-2630 v3 is 2.4 / 3.2GHz and the E5-1660 v2 is 3.7 /4.0GHz and the 2630 is getting though nearly as many cycles with the lower clock speed.

The Areca ARC-1883 is a quite expensive ($650 in the US) SAS RAID controller and this type- LSI is a famous maker- can produce can extremely high disk scores.

The 2nd best system is rated at 4876, using the Supermicro X10Dai has a CPU score of 20408, so this confirms the very good, consistent performance of the Supermicro X10 motherboard. Systems. The highest CPU score was a Dell T7810 at 21168, but the other T7810 core was 19478.

I would certainly enjoy knowing what happens. I'm quite sure that my next system will be done in this way.

Cheers,

BambiBoom
 
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