buy an EPSON printer = daylight robbery?

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Arthur Entlich wrote:
> I don't know current pricing on the Canon OEM cartridges for the IP4000,
> however, for most lower end Epson, Lexmark and HP printers the cost of
> the replacement cartridges is within 20-30% of the cost of a new printer
> with new cartridges included. I imagine Canon is similar.
>
> Art
>

I have an iP5000 and an i860 (predecessor to the iP4000). The cost of
OEM cartridges, bought at Staples in Canada, comes to $104 (with taxes).
The cost of the printer, the iP5000 was $274 (with taxes). The iP4000
sells for about $206 (in Canada) with taxes. As you can see, the OEM
cartridge to printer (iP5000) cost is between 37% and 50%, depending on
which model you bought. That's pretty disgusting, I'd say. Bring on the
3rd party cartridges, no questions asked.

-Taliesyn

> measekite wrote:
>
>> Are you saying that a printer like an IP4000 that has a list price of
>> $150 and usually sells for about $135 would cost about $100 to replace
>> the ink carts with OEM. If that is the case then I understand why
>> people take a chance with 3rd party inks.
>>

 

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You are correct that I misread the posting regarding the color
cartridges. However, it would still not be normal to get a yield of
only 40 pages unless the pages were very dense with black content.

Art

Ototin wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:12:50 GMT, Arthur Entlich <artistic@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>This is not normal. Although the first set of cartridges will get a
>>slightly lower yield than the next, due to a much longer purge cycle to
>>flush the heads of the preservative in them, it doesn't make that great
>>a difference.
>>
>>However, as I have tried to explain to those who think individual color
>>cartridges save ink, each time a cartridge is changed, all the other
>>cartridges are purged together with the new one, resulting in ink losses
>>to each cartridge. That doesn't equate nearly full cartridges going to
>>empty, so that implies something is wrong with your printer, but there
>>will be a loss of 8-10% of the full volume each time a cartridge is changed.
>
>
> It is possible that there is nothing wrong with the printer. There is
> no statement in the original post that the colour ink cartridges are
> nearly full. It merely states that they contain ink.
>
>
>>peterp wrote:
>>
>>>Bought one of the newest models of printer available from Epson here
>>>in Taiwan.
>>>After only about 40 copies, about 80% of which was only in black, the
>>>black ink cartridge was empty, while the software (driver?) showed
>>>that the other color cartridges all three still contained ink.
>>>
>>>Installed new black ink cartridge -- now the software displayed all
>>>three remaining cartridges as empty, so the ink was not used since
>>>changing the black cartridge!!!
>>>
>>>Calculating the cost of Epson cartridges against 40 copies:
>>>thus, cost is about USD 1.30 or Yen 132 per copy (mostly only text
>>>without background)!!!!
>>>
>>>If that is not robbery in broad daylight, then what is it?
>>>
>>>Peter
>
>

 

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Canon probably has the most reasonable printer to ink cartridge ratios
of all the brands. However, it may also have the most fugitive inks in
the field, as well.

I read some months ago about a new ink set released in Japan by Canon.
Has anyone heard of it being exported yet?

Art

Taliesyn wrote:

> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>
>> I don't know current pricing on the Canon OEM cartridges for the
>> IP4000, however, for most lower end Epson, Lexmark and HP printers the
>> cost of the replacement cartridges is within 20-30% of the cost of a
>> new printer with new cartridges included. I imagine Canon is similar.
>>
>> Art
>>
>
> I have an iP5000 and an i860 (predecessor to the iP4000). The cost of
> OEM cartridges, bought at Staples in Canada, comes to $104 (with taxes).
> The cost of the printer, the iP5000 was $274 (with taxes). The iP4000
> sells for about $206 (in Canada) with taxes. As you can see, the OEM
> cartridge to printer (iP5000) cost is between 37% and 50%, depending on
> which model you bought. That's pretty disgusting, I'd say. Bring on the
> 3rd party cartridges, no questions asked.
>
> -Taliesyn
>
>> measekite wrote:
>>
>>> Are you saying that a printer like an IP4000 that has a list price of
>>> $150 and usually sells for about $135 would cost about $100 to
>>> replace the ink carts with OEM. If that is the case then I
>>> understand why people take a chance with 3rd party inks.
>>>

 

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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:w9uZd.10842$C47.6778@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>
*snip*

>>
>>>Disclosure: I own and like my Canon IP4000 - but will get an A3 pigment
>
> Is A3 wide carriage?
>

It's double A4 size. So in US terms, yes you probably call that wide
carriage.

 

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I am glad you got a cannon if that is what you want
I have been using epsons since the old ribbon type
Have has excellent luck with them
I use a 3rd party ink with NO problems
Its great that people can choose a ford or chevy...
Good luck


"Caitlin" <caitlin_online_spamtrap@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:0e7Zd.18466$Pz7.16922@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
>> Hecate wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:22:20 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From what I am reading about Epson printers, they are designed to screw
>>>>you out of ink that you could use for printing even though they have
>>>>some kind of a justification for it. I am glad I got a Canon printer.
>>>>I cannot understand why anyone would choose an Epson over a Canon. If
>>>>you need to, just reprint and you have longevity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Because Epson prints use pigment inks. They last. Canon don't. And
>>>customers don't like prints that fade after a few months.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>Hecate - The Real One
>>>Hecate@newsguy.com veni, vidi, reliqui
>>>
>> Mine are over 6 months old and just sitting on a desk. Pigmented inks do
>> not produce as vibrant a print. I can reprint when and if necessary and
>> I do not get *AS :-( *screwed :-( by the OEM.
>>
>
> Can you just accept that some people DON'T want to constantly be
> reprinting their photos? And 6 months isn't much of a test... The latest
> Epson inks have been rated very well for vibrancy & more importantly no
> colour shift which the older pigment inks suffered from.
>
> Disclosure: I own and like my Canon IP4000 - but will get an A3 pigment
> printer one of these days....
>

 

[Peterp]

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>You are correct that I misread the posting regarding the color
>cartridges. However, it would still not be normal to get a yield of
>only 40 pages unless the pages were very dense with black content.
>

They were mostly no more than may be 30 or so lines per page. The
invoices were mostly white!

Anyway, I found 3rd party refillable cartridges which were just newly
developed for this model. Judging from the message displayed when I
tried the first print, the machine or software detected that the
cartridges weren't from Epson, but it works without a problem. The
best with the cartridges is that I can leave the refill opening
plugged if I don't want to use that specific color.

Peter

 

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Epson indicates that up to 1/5th of the ink may be used up on the first
cartridge installation process. That still doesn't explain the usage
numbers you got.

There are a few considerations in using third party inks. If you are
using a Durabrite ink printer you may find the new inks are not pigment
colorant (may tend to fade) and also may not be waterproof, or they may
tend to clog more easily.

I don't quite understand the part about keeping the color cartridges
plugged. If you have been using this printer with ink in it, leaving
the color heads without ink feeding in them may lead to some difficult
if not impossible clogs to resolve.

Further, do these cartridges have "permanently full" chips, or do you
need to reset them every so often, as they read empty?

Art

peterp wrote:

>>You are correct that I misread the posting regarding the color
>>cartridges. However, it would still not be normal to get a yield of
>>only 40 pages unless the pages were very dense with black content.
>>
>
>
> They were mostly no more than may be 30 or so lines per page. The
> invoices were mostly white!
>
> Anyway, I found 3rd party refillable cartridges which were just newly
> developed for this model. Judging from the message displayed when I
> tried the first print, the machine or software detected that the
> cartridges weren't from Epson, but it works without a problem. The
> best with the cartridges is that I can leave the refill opening
> plugged if I don't want to use that specific color.
>
> Peter

 

[Peterp]

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>Epson indicates that up to 1/5th of the ink may be used up on the first
>cartridge installation process. That still doesn't explain the usage
>numbers you got.

Well, all I can say that after printing to black text copies the
software shows 1/5th less ink for black. Too much for my taste.

>Further, do these cartridges have "permanently full" chips, or do you
>need to reset them every so often, as they read empty?

I don't know yet, as I have been using only the black cartridge, until
now, but as far as I understood when I bought them, nothing needs to
be done at all.

Peter