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Oh please.

Every other OS version, no matter if Windows, Linux, Apple....expires and falls off support after some time.

This guy has 2 laptops. Apparently not Win 11 compatible?
That means that are about a decade old, or older.

He has options:
1. Switch to Linux
2. Go for the extended support option from MS
3. Run Win 10 as it is, without getting new updates.

The laptop won't simply cease to run on that date.
 
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We were told when Windows 10 arrived that it would be the last Windows version, and that users would only receive software updates for it.

But Windows 10 users running on 32-bit x86 haven't got updates for quite a while now.
And the last few updates we got were only for the worse: the user interface getting much slower and getting lower contrast making things harder to read, the PDF reader disappearing, etc.
 
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Findecanor said:
We were told when Windows 10 arrived that it would be the last Windows version
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No we weren't.
That was a throwaway comment, totally misunderstood over the years.

But no matter what they call it, things change.
Win 11 24H2 could have been called Win 10 24H2.
The "10" or "11" is irrelevant.

What ran on 2010 hardware is different than what 2025 hardware can do.
 
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The biggest thing that sticks in my craw about Windows 11 is the "TPM 2.0" requirement. Microsoft should have made TPM 2.0 a requirement for things like Windows Hello, Bitlocker, and other features the leverage TPM 2.0 but not block the installation of it (just to sell more PCs), because there are many machines in service that are quite capable of the tasks they are given and may not be that old, especially in an enterprise environment where new machines mean new non-transferrable licesnses. They could make it a requirement for Windows 12 because by the time Windows 11 support ends the number of people with even the last generation non-TPM 2.0 hardware (Ryzen 1000 series) would be using a machine at least 13 years old, and by then those machines need to be repurposed as a Linux based media server or the like, or retired.

The blocking of only local accounts is my second biggest issue because it makes preparing a machine for sale or for other people, and using it in a VM, among other tasks, far more annoying, but as far as actual use goes it's not a big deal since it's easy enough to make a primary administrator Microsoft Account under a new email and then use a second, local account only for people who don't want to use a Microsoft account, and for everyone else that knows it's no worse than having to have a Google, Apple, or (insert basically anything else here) account to use their products.
 
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USAFRet said:
MS had been pushing that TPM requirement for a long time.

The manufacturers pushed back with "Waaaaa, we don't wanna!"
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Aye, but they could have went about it in a different way so as to make the manufacturers take the flak, not Microsoft, the same way manufacturers made Microsoft take the flak for Vista's requirements because they wanted to continue to sell single core 512MB RAM systems from the XP era.
 
Alvar Miles Udell said:
Aye, but they could have went about it in a different way so as to make the manufacturers take the flak, not Microsoft, the same way manufacturers made Microsoft take the flak for Vista's requirements because they wanted to continue to sell single core 512MB RAM systems from the XP era.
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MS is an easy target, no matter what they do, or if they are right or wrong.

MS is always 'wrong'.
 
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The lawsuit is an interesting development, although I don't think it will pass muster.

As for MS, they really don't care about retail users since the larger user base for desktop is enterprise. Those who Jump to Linux / Apple / whatever will be in the minority, and they know it. As it has been every time in the past.

For the record, I am going to be one of them who jumps. I have several W10 machines and when that goes away, I am porting to Ubuntu or a similar disto. I will only keep 1 Windows machine for those things that absolutely need it.
 
Clicked through to the court complaint. A Beverly Hills firm specializing in class action suits.

www.counselonegroup.com

Windows 10 'End-of-Support' Class Action Investigation - CounselOneGroup.com

WINDOWS 10 SUPPORT INVESTIGATION. WINDOWS 10 SUPPORT IS ENDING—WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR DEVICE?CLASS ACTION INVESTIGATION. Did Microsoft’s End-of-Support Brick Your PC? If so, you may be entitled to compensation.
www.counselonegroup.com www.counselonegroup.com
 
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USAFRet said:
MS had been pushing that TPM requirement for a long time.

The manufacturers pushed back with "Waaaaa, we don't wanna!"
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The problem is M$ using the Fruity Cult's playbook, where Personal Computers are turned into something you pay for, but don't own for lack of control and which might be told by the vendor to work against your best interest.

Because what M$ or manufacturers have to say in this matter isn't important, only the PC owners are.

And they don't appreciate being pushed around by the janitor or footman while they have their private life investigated and any valuable insight into your habits sold to the highest bidder.

And contrary to what they claim, TPM is not a technical requirement, just a wanton decision to push Pluton.

Server and IoT editions of Windows do not require a TPM to funktion without compromising whatoever M$ calls support.
 
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USAFRet said:
MS is an easy target, no matter what they do, or if they are right or wrong.

MS is always 'wrong'.
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Doesn't help when most of what they do right is either done quietly, or is jumped on by people and publications and spun as something negative using disinformation or information out of context.

What they do wrong though usually exceeds what they do right...Though the same can also be said for pretty much every tech company.
 
This lawsuit is an obvious load of junk, but the TPM requirement on the Home edition but not the Server/IoT versions at a time when upgrade cycles are getting longer and cheap second-hand hardware is perfectly serviceable for light web and email use feels like something where the decision making process should be investigated, as should using their Windows monopoly to push their AI products during a very competitive AI boom. If this version really is better for end-users, and if Copilot and Onedrive are so great too, and if new hardware has so many benefits as well, why does Windows need to be a wedge to force it upon them?
 
It is mostlt false what MS will have additional spendings to support windows 10, as they will do security updates for ltsc edition anyways.

And there will be happy peoples do not have feature updates on main editions 👍
 
USAFRet said:
MS had been pushing that TPM requirement for a long time.

The manufacturers pushed back with "Waaaaa, we don't wanna!"
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Actually, the public did that. When Microsoft started talking about TPMs, everyone was outraged: it was the end of privacy, and MS was trying to control your computer.

Then Apple and Google actually did it and nobody cared.

If your computer doesn't meet the Windows 11 requirements in 2025 you shouldn't use anything else than Linux on it.
 
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The still existence of Windows amazes me. How it succeeded to bend the brain of billions for decades is beyond me.

What's new has Win11 compared to Win10, and before to Win8, Win7...? New screensavers, one...Ummm, ahhhh, ehhhh...nothing else I can really mention.

So why people who bought Win10 have to pay full price for Win11 instead of getting an upgrade Win10 to Win11 for may be 5% more?
 
Stomx said:
So why people who bought Win10 have to pay full price for Win11 instead of getting an upgrade Win10 to Win11 for may be 5% more?
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A valid Win 10 retail license upgrades to Win 11 for free.

In fact....
A valid Win 7 license from 2009 could have upgraded to Win 10, for free.
And then to Win 11, for free.

So 16+ years on the same $100 purchase from 2009....and people have heartburn about that.
 
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I am concerned about TPM. The descriptions say that it increases security. Some say that it reduces privacy. I am concerned that TPM reduces security.

I asked Google Gemini. I might misunderstand what it said but I think it said that cloaked computations and Encrypted Payloads makes it possible for processing done in the TPM to use memory in a manner that makes some data to be unobserved by other software. Those descriptions always clarify the description to imply that only malware would do that but I am suspicious. Combine that with AI in the system; our data could be processed by AI in our system in a manner that we cannot detect and then the processed results could be sent elsewhere, correct? I do not like that even if it is only done for marketing purposes.
 
Sam Hobbs said:
I am concerned about TPM. The descriptions say that it increases security. Some say that it reduces privacy. I am concerned that TPM reduces security.

I asked Google Gemini. I might misunderstand what it said but I think it said that cloaked computations and Encrypted Payloads makes it possible for processing done in the TPM to use memory in a manner that makes some data to be unobserved by other software. Those descriptions always clarify the description to imply that only malware would do that but I am suspicious. Combine that with AI in the system; our data could be processed by AI in our system in a manner that we cannot detect and then the processed results could be sent elsewhere, correct? I do not like that even if it is only done for marketing purposes.
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The TPM (Trusted Platform Module) - Read about it here, without the AI foolishness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module
 
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I hope he gets hammered for wasting the court's time with frivolous lawsuits. Some people really think the rest of us are here to serve them huh. Imagine suing an ice cream parlor because they stopped making your favourite flavour. People make things, and possibly *offer* you a chance to buy them, on their own free will. We're not "required" to do a damn thing for you.
 
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