Can AMD salvage QFX with an in-house chipset?

[atp777]

I still see the market for QFX, if any, to be extremely small. Business will want the ECC and other perks of a real workstation. What home user would want that monster? I certainly wouldn't, but then again I don't need C2D Quad either.

 

[BaronMatrix]

I still see the market for QFX, if any, to be extremely small. Business will want the ECC and other perks of a real workstation. What home user would want that monster? I certainly wouldn't, but then again I don't need C2D Quad either.

It should be about the same as FX. No one expects thsi to be mainstream just like C2Q won' be a fX62 wasn't.

I am a developer and I work on code at home. I want the sickest AMD system I can get without resorting to server features. QFX is it.

People who don't need the 300W GPUs will not have the same power necessities.

It's a good idea for a small group of buyers. Not everyone needs that much horsepower.

 

[gOJDO]

Baron, this is why you're having so much trouble here with people flaming you. You aren't only purchasing 4x4 because of your AMD brand preference, but you're coming to a technology discussion forum and defending the product based on your brand preference and not on the merits of the technology being discussed.

Two sockets have already shown their usefulness, hence the market for two socket workstations.

I said it closed the gap between the high end of AMD /Intel. I said it scales excellently for 64bit multithreaded apps. I said I dont want it for games. i said it will be a crazy compiling box.

All of those seem to be reasons other than brand preference.

I could just a seasily get an FX62, C2Q or X2, but I want QFX. It already shows great scaling even with what may turn out to be a broken NUMA implementation.

Vista 64bit tests also improve the scores over 32bit XP.

There's a link in here somewhere.

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Infections of the mouth can lead to abscessed teeth and gums. Unlike other forms of gum disease, necrotizing ulcerative gingivitis (NUG) develops rapidly, especially in smokers. Thrush is a yeast infection of the mouth.

 

[mesarectifier]

It's a good idea for a small group of buyers. Not everyone needs that much horsepower.

And of course Baron is president of this 1337 band of renegades, buying any AMD product no matter how retarded and with no thought for anything else other than having 'the sickest AMD rig on the planet'.

Bravo brave folks, us puss-wimps will stick to our cheaper and better Core 2 systems and quad-core Xeon rigs, but you go forth and pee into the wind with your QFX rig.

I think BM is the sort of person who buys 'premium' petrol/gasoline over regular - it really won't make a shred of difference to your car, but it gives you a fuzzy warm feeling with the knowledge that you've payed just a little bit more than everyone else. And of course that makes you better...right?

 

[1Tanker]

Baron, this is why you're having so much trouble here with people flaming you. You aren't only purchasing 4x4 because of your AMD brand preference, but you're coming to a technology discussion forum and defending the product based on your brand preference and not on the merits of the technology being discussed.

Two sockets have already shown their usefulness, hence the market for two socket workstations.

I said it closed the gap between the high end of AMD /Intel. I said it scales excellently for 64bit multithreaded apps. I said I dont want it for games. i said it will be a crazy compiling box.

All of those seem to be reasons other than brand preference.

I could just a seasily get an FX62, C2Q or X2, but I want QFX. It already shows great scaling even with what may turn out to be a broken NUMA implementation.

Vista 64bit tests also improve the scores over 32bit XP.

There's a link in here somewhere.

So i guess you'll say none of that counts though right?In your next post you write:

I want the sickest AMD system I can get without resorting to server features. QFX is it.

MAKE UP YOUR FU)KING MIND....PLEASE.

 

[1Tanker]

It's a good idea for a small group of buyers. Not everyone needs that much horsepower.

And of course Baron is president of this 1337 band of renegades, buying any AMD product no matter how retarded and with no thought for anything else other than having 'the sickest AMD rig on the planet'.

Bravo brave folks, us puss-wimps will stick to our cheaper and better Core 2 systems and quad-core Xeon rigs, but you go forth and pee into the wind with your QFX rig.

I think BM is the sort of person who buys 'premium' petrol/gasoline over regular - it really won't make a shred of difference to your car, but it gives you a fuzzy warm feeling with the knowledge that you've payed just a little bit more than everyone else. And of course that makes you better...right?Have you heard any of his music? He thinks he's the GANGSTA, and is all DAT. :roll:

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

This is not a server platform or a gaming platform. It is content professional platform and developer platform. Take away the 300W GPUs and you have an excellent dev box or even Cinebench @ 64bit.

That's the problem. What do you mean by Dev Box? What applications is it running as a "Dev Box"? Can you name some that see better performance under Quad FX rather than Intel's less expensive systems?

You speak of Cinebench. This is just a benchmark, although better than some of the SiSoft ones. It's still not real world but I found these results:

(Score, higher is better)
QuadFX: 1346
QX6700: 1320
EX6800: 901

So Quad FX performs 1.9% better in an artificial benchmark. All the other real-world and even many other artificial benchmarks go to the QX6700. Being able to perform 1.9% better in one artificial benchmark is not reason enough to pick a system that is that much more expensive to purchase and run.

 

[BaronMatrix]

It's a good idea for a small group of buyers. Not everyone needs that much horsepower.

And of course Baron is president of this 1337 band of renegades, buying any AMD product no matter how retarded and with no thought for anything else other than having 'the sickest AMD rig on the planet'.

Bravo brave folks, us puss-wimps will stick to our cheaper and better Core 2 systems and quad-core Xeon rigs, but you go forth and pee into the wind with your QFX rig.

I think BM is the sort of person who buys 'premium' petrol/gasoline over regular - it really won't make a shred of difference to your car, but it gives you a fuzzy warm feeling with the knowledge that you've payed just a little bit more than everyone else. And of course that makes you better...right?

Aren't you one of the idiots that said it was OK to buy Opteron but not QFX even though they are basically the same thing?

If I wasn't a cheapskate I'd have Opteron already. As it stands Vista wil see this in my little office at home.

 

[sandmanwn]

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Infections of the mouth can lead to abscessed teeth and gums. Unlike other forms of gum disease, necrotizing ulcerative gingivitis (NUG) develops rapidly, especially in smokers. Thrush is a yeast infection of the mouth.

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[BaronMatrix]

This is not a server platform or a gaming platform. It is content professional platform and developer platform. Take away the 300W GPUs and you have an excellent dev box or even Cinebench @ 64bit.

That's the problem. What do you mean by Dev Box? What applications is it running as a "Dev Box"? Can you name some that see better performance under Quad FX rather than Intel's less expensive systems?

You speak of Cinebench. This is just a benchmark, although better than some of the SiSoft ones. It's still not real world but I found these results:

(Score, higher is better)
QuadFX: 1346
QX6700: 1320
EX6800: 901

So Quad FX performs 1.9% better in an artificial benchmark. All the other real-world and even many other artificial benchmarks go to the QX6700. Being able to perform 1.9% better in one artificial benchmark is not reason enough to pick a system that is that much more expensive to purchase and run.

Cinebench is not an artificial benchmark, it actually runs programs. I don't think C2Q will actually be less expensive considering that FX70 can be clocked to 3.0 (more than likely) nand only costs $600, where C2Q can be as much as $1500. That means I can spend $900 on a mobo and Ram and GPU.

A dev box is a PC that runs Visual Studio, SQL Server, Virtual Server - all of which are EXTREMELY MULTITHREADED.

Dev is short for Developer. C#, Java, C++, ASP.Net etc. These all love multicore and FX62 has no chance just like X6800. The only thing that will be even close to QFX is C2Q or some other combo of four cores.

Especially in 64bit Vista.

QFX Rocks!!

 

[1Tanker]

This is not a server platform or a gaming platform. It is content professional platform and developer platform. Take away the 300W GPUs and you have an excellent dev box or even Cinebench @ 64bit.

That's the problem. What do you mean by Dev Box? What applications is it running as a "Dev Box"? Can you name some that see better performance under Quad FX rather than Intel's less expensive systems?

You speak of Cinebench. This is just a benchmark, although better than some of the SiSoft ones. It's still not real world but I found these results:

(Score, higher is better)
QuadFX: 1346
QX6700: 1320
EX6800: 901

So Quad FX performs 1.9% better in an artificial benchmark. All the other real-world and even many other artificial benchmarks go to the QX6700. Being able to perform 1.9% better in one artificial benchmark is not reason enough to pick a system that is that much more expensive to purchase and run.

Cinebench is not an artificial benchmark, it actually runs programs. I don't think C2Q will actually be less expensive considering that FX70 can be clocked to 3.0 (more than likely) nand only costs $600, where C2Q can be as much as $1500. That means I can spend $900 on a mobo and Ram and GPU.

A dev box is a PC that runs Visual Studio, SQL Server, Virtual Server - all of which are EXTREMELY MULTITHREADED.

Dev is short for Developer. C#, Java, C++, ASP.Net etc. These all love multicore and FX62 has no chance just like X6800. The only thing that will be even close to QFX is C2Q or some other combo of four cores.

Especially in 64bit Vista.

QFX Rocks!!Don't forget the Q6600 will be coming out....cheaper, and will overclock to 3GHz or more...also. 😱

 

[mesarectifier]

If I wasn't a cheapskate I'd have Opteron already. As it stands Vista wil see this in my little office at home.

Wow this gets better and better. A self-confessed 'cheapskate' saying he's going to get a QFX platform? C'mon BM, now you're bullshitting yourself, too!

Aren't you one of the idiots that said it was OK to buy Opteron but not QFX even though they are basically the same thing?

I think (can't quite remember exactly, this thread is loooong) I said that QFX wasn't a particularly good technology, seeing as people have been running quad-core dual socket Opteron rigs for quite some time.

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

I don't think C2Q will actually be less expensive considering that FX70 can be clocked to 3.0

Let's play a game called overclocking. The contenders:

Quad FX

VS.

QX6700


Guess who's going to win that one? It's not fair to overclock one system and say it will be cheaper without overclocking the other system to take into account the extra performance you would achieve.

QuadFX will not overclock well. The cases I've seen show each socket having a dedicated air channel directly out of the case. This is a drastic measure done in desperate times. Quad FX will not overclock well because AMD is currently near it's maximum. Core 2 is young and has a reputation for overclocking like a mofo on stock air.

 

[boduke]

/re-enter thread

I'd have to say that teh biggest argument for this is apps that are high-bandwidth multi-threaded in nature. becasue of the inherent increeased power of two chips, this is not an SLI gamer's platform.

Someone, preferably not Baron, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't this platform marketed specifically at enthusiasts, the majority of which are gamers, and thus would want SLI?

That is your opinion. All you fanboys are out in force makin people's lives miserable becaue it does indeed close the gap at the high and leaves X6800 in the dust- especially in 64-bit Vista.

Please provide us with links of benchmarks where this "leaves X6800 in the dust"? Please highlight the 64-bit Vista benchmarks.

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

Someone, preferably not Baron, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't this platform marketed specifically at enthusiasts, the majority of which are gamers, and thus would want SLI?

That was my understanding of it. I still don't see the imaginary market the Baron is talking about. How long does it take to compile code? I mean yikes, does it really take that long that you'd need four cores working on it? When I learned C++ and Java it was on an early Pentium II running Linux.

However, if Baron is a professional programmer (which is what it would appear) I would imagine that it would require a lot more computational power to compile large commercial applications rather than "Hello World" v 1.1

Just curious Baron, how long does it take to compile some of the larger programs you do? (I'm not asking this to be a butt-head, I'm asking this because I am genuinely curious and would appreciate knowing)

 

[MarkG]

How long does it take to compile code? I mean yikes, does it really take that long that you'd need four cores working on it?

A surprisingly long time actually, if it's a large project in C++. Compiling a C++ file at work on a 3GHz-ish P4 seems to take about as long as compiling a similarly-sized C file did on a Sparcstation 2 at 40MHz fifteen years ago.

Multiply that by maybe a thousand files in a decently-large project and you're talking about 40 minutes to do a full build. And I seem to remember reading a while back in an article about Microsoft that building Windows from scratch takes a day or more.

That said, I'm not sure whether that's due to CPU performance or disk performance: though most header files should be in the RAM cache after building a few files.

 

[BaronMatrix]

It's a good idea for a small group of buyers. Not everyone needs that much horsepower.

And of course Baron is president of this 1337 band of renegades, buying any AMD product no matter how retarded and with no thought for anything else other than having 'the sickest AMD rig on the planet'.

Bravo brave folks, us puss-wimps will stick to our cheaper and better Core 2 systems and quad-core Xeon rigs, but you go forth and pee into the wind with your QFX rig.

I think BM is the sort of person who buys 'premium' petrol/gasoline over regular - it really won't make a shred of difference to your car, but it gives you a fuzzy warm feeling with the knowledge that you've payed just a little bit more than everyone else. And of course that makes you better...right?

Actually, I'm a cheapskate and don't want to be associated with you.

 

[BaronMatrix]

It's a good idea for a small group of buyers. Not everyone needs that much horsepower.

And of course Baron is president of this 1337 band of renegades, buying any AMD product no matter how retarded and with no thought for anything else other than having 'the sickest AMD rig on the planet'.

Bravo brave folks, us puss-wimps will stick to our cheaper and better Core 2 systems and quad-core Xeon rigs, but you go forth and pee into the wind with your QFX rig.

I think BM is the sort of person who buys 'premium' petrol/gasoline over regular - it really won't make a shred of difference to your car, but it gives you a fuzzy warm feeling with the knowledge that you've payed just a little bit more than everyone else. And of course that makes you better...right?Have you heard any of his music? He thinks he's the GANGSTA, and is all DAT. :roll:

And soon I will be making this music with my new Turion X2 laptop.

 

[BaronMatrix]

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Individual results may vary. In clinical trials, BaronBS nLogic was shown to cause depression and clinical insanity in rare cases.

And in some cases you will become a stalker with no useful purpose and nothing logical to say.

 

[BaronMatrix]

If I wasn't a cheapskate I'd have Opteron already. As it stands Vista wil see this in my little office at home.

Wow this gets better and better. A self-confessed 'cheapskate' saying he's going to get a QFX platform? C'mon BM, now you're bullshitting yourself, too!

Aren't you one of the idiots that said it was OK to buy Opteron but not QFX even though they are basically the same thing?

I think (can't quite remember exactly, this thread is loooong) I said that QFX wasn't a particularly good technology, seeing as people have been running quad-core dual socket Opteron rigs for quite some time.


When I buy this for Vista, there should be a cheaper DX10 card or two, which is the biggest expense almost.

FX70 $600
Asus mobo $400
4GB DDR2 $400
HD/Case/DVD/floppy $350
GPU $300



Total $2050



Not bad for a piece of crap that will take my current piece of crap AMD and show it what's what under Vista ( I paid the same price last year). Scratch the second GPU, though. I don't care about SLI.

 

[BaronMatrix]

/re-enter thread

I'd have to say that teh biggest argument for this is apps that are high-bandwidth multi-threaded in nature. becasue of the inherent increeased power of two chips, this is not an SLI gamer's platform.

Someone, preferably not Baron, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't this platform marketed specifically at enthusiasts, the majority of which are gamers, and thus would want SLI?

That is your opinion. All you fanboys are out in force makin people's lives miserable becaue it does indeed close the gap at the high and leaves X6800 in the dust- especially in 64-bit Vista.

Please provide us with links of benchmarks where this "leaves X6800 in the dust"? Please highlight the 64-bit Vista benchmarks.

Were you not reading subjectively you would have read that that benchmark site was posted but it's on www.hwupgrade.com

 

[killmess]

It's a good idea for a small group of buyers. Not everyone needs that much horsepower.

And of course Baron is president of this 1337 band of renegades, buying any AMD product no matter how retarded and with no thought for anything else other than having 'the sickest AMD rig on the planet'.

Bravo brave folks, us puss-wimps will stick to our cheaper and better Core 2 systems and quad-core Xeon rigs, but you go forth and pee into the wind with your QFX rig.

I think BM is the sort of person who buys 'premium' petrol/gasoline over regular - it really won't make a shred of difference to your car, but it gives you a fuzzy warm feeling with the knowledge that you've payed just a little bit more than everyone else. And of course that makes you better...right?

It's like buy a brand name PC, you can build a computer with the same hardware characteristics but cheaper and maybe even more reliable, but rich boys wants the "brand".

 

[killmess]

A dev box is a PC that runs Visual Studio, SQL Server, Virtual Server - all of which are EXTREMELY MULTITHREADED.

Dev is short for Developer. C#, Java, C++, ASP.Net etc. These all love multicore and FX62 has no chance just like X6800. The only thing that will be even close to QFX is C2Q or some other combo of four cores.

Especially in 64bit Vista.

QFX Rocks!!

:idea: :idea: :idea: If you love so much dev, why don't GNU/linux your life. :?: :?: :?:

 

[MarkG]

If you love so much dev, why don't GNU/linux your life.

In my experience, on x86 machines g++ takes longer to compile and produces worse code. Compilers are one thing that Microsoft seem to do well, other than the various standards incompatibilities and bugs.

 

[BaronMatrix]

A dev box is a PC that runs Visual Studio, SQL Server, Virtual Server - all of which are EXTREMELY MULTITHREADED.

Dev is short for Developer. C#, Java, C++, ASP.Net etc. These all love multicore and FX62 has no chance just like X6800. The only thing that will be even close to QFX is C2Q or some other combo of four cores.

Especially in 64bit Vista.

QFX Rocks!!

:idea: :idea: :idea: If you love so much dev, why don't GNU/linux your life. :?: :?: :?:

Windows is the de facto standard for desktop apps.