Question Can I get something to improve internet speed with WiFi ?

[MJS WARLORD]

Ok so my problem is as follows , a few days ago i got BT Full Fibre

Line tests show 810mb to home ... they sent me a pdf as proof
Problem is the WiFi signal to all my devices from the hub is only around 320 mb ????
I even sat at the side of the hub with a phone and laptop and got 320mb.

They say the only answer is to use an ethernet cable from main pc to hub that is 15 feet away but due to layout of home that is not possible.
Is their anything i can do to increase the speed to my devices , my main pc has a strix x99 gaming mobo and is fitted with a 2t2r dual band antenna

I guess i must look on the upside .... i can only get 320mb but on copper wire with ethernet i was only on 20mb and thats not a misprint i did say 20 not 200

 

[Lutfij]

my main pc has a strix x99 gaming mobo and is fitted with a 2t2r dual band antenna
Is this;

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x99-gaming-model/

your motherboard? If so, you shouldn't need to add anything to the system, as stated the onboard WiFi adapter should be able to handle the speed. Can you see if you can maintain a clear line of sight from your router to your PC?

Speaking of router, what is the make and model of your wireless router? If you're using the device provided by your ISP, that's not what I'm looking for.

You could disassemble the WiFi module and replace the adapter inside it with something from Intel, since my memory tells me that Asus bundled Atheros/Qualcomm/Broadcomm adapters in their WiFi-Go modules.

Moved thread from Systems section to Wireless Networking section.

 

[Misgar]

They say the only answer is to use an ethernet from main pc to hub that is 15 foot away but due to layout of home that is not possible.

Only 15ft? I have 30m Ethernet cables running around my house. You can buy flat Ethernet cables and hide them under carpets. If the hub is in another room, just make sure the door doesn't crush the cable.

What WiFi Standard is your hub using? WiFi 4, 5, 6, 7?
https://techreviewadvisor.com/wifi-4-vs-wifi-5-vs-wifi-6/
https://www.bt.com/help/broadband/learn-about-broadband/different-types-of-bt-hub

2.4GHz, 5GHz, 6GHz?

With WiFi the inverse square law applies and speeds can drop significantly as you increase separation.

If you're using 5GHz through a thick wall, try 2.4GHz.

 

[MJS WARLORD]

my main pc has a strix x99 gaming mobo and is fitted with a 2t2r dual band antenna
Is this;

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x99-gaming-model/

your motherboard? If so, you shouldn't need to add anything to the system, as stated the onboard WiFi adapter should be able to handle the speed. Can you see if you can maintain a clear line of sight from your router to your PC?

Speaking of router, what is the make and model of your wireless router? If you're using the device provided by your ISP, that's not what I'm looking for.

You could disassemble the WiFi module and replace the adapter inside it with something from Intel, since my memory tells me that Asus bundled Atheros/Qualcomm/Broadcomm adapters in their WiFi-Go modules.

Moved thread from Systems section to Wireless Networking section.

But I am using a BT Home Hub 2

 

[MJS WARLORD]

Only 15ft? I have 30m Ethernet cables running around my house. You can buy flat Ethernet cables and hide them under carpets. If the hub is in another room, just make sure the door doesn't crush the cable.

What WiFi Standard is your hub using? WiFi 4, 5, 6, 7?
https://techreviewadvisor.com/wifi-4-vs-wifi-5-vs-wifi-6/
https://www.bt.com/help/broadband/learn-about-broadband/different-types-of-bt-hub

2.4GHz, 5GHz, 6GHz?

With WiFi the inverse square law applies and speeds can drop significantly as you increase separation.

If you're using 5GHz through a thick wall, try 2.4GHz.

the hub uses 5GHz and the distance between hub and main pc is line of site no walls

 

[Misgar]

the hub uses 5GHz and the distance between hub and main pc is line of site no walls

Despite being line of sight, it might be worth trying 2.4GHz.

Unless you've disabled 2.4GHz in the hub or the WiFi receiver in your PC, you should be able to try the lower frequency range.
https://community.bt.com/t5/Home-setup-Wi-Fi-network/BT-Hub-2-use-of-5-GHz-or-2-4GHz/td-p/2345180

https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to-connect-to-only-2-4ghz-or-5ghz-wi-fi-band-prevent-switching/

 

[bill001g]

320 is what would kinda be expected on wifi. The reason is the end devices and the router support wifi5(802.11ac) and also your pc and likely your phone only have 2 antenna. This is the silliness with router manufactures putting lots of antenna on a router to claim a bigger number when common end devices only have 2. The speed is negotiated to the common features so the router will be limited by the end device.

You could I guess go to all the trouble of getting a different router and end devices that support wifi6e so you can use 6ghz and the newer radio encodings.

Not likely worth the effort. Having more bandwidth really is only used for downloading large files. Most other applications even netflix doesn't need a real lot. You can watch 4k movies on netflix with 30mbps. Having more does not make it run better. Your average family doesn't really need more than 100mbps. You can multiple people watching different netflix, other playing online games and surfing the web.

2 things that are much more concerning is that you only get 320 and not 810 using a ethernet cable. What is more strange about this speed is if you get exactly the same speed on wifi near the router and the ethernet. You could get slower numbers but getting exactly the same number is very strange since they use different interfaces both on your pc and router.

The second would issue is the 20mbps. That is very slow. In some cases it can be how your house is built. I have seen youtube videos of people that live in apartment where all the walls including the interior ones are poured concreate. Wifi signal goes to almost zero if you close the door in a room away from the router.

I would change the SSID on the router so the 2.4 and 5 radios have different names. This will let you force a connection so you know where you are connecting. In theory 5ghz should always run faster but something might be interfering...including your neighbors wifi. I would try each and see if there is any difference.

 

[LordVile]

Your hubs max theoretical speed is 400, obviously you’ll never get that so you’re about right. You can get a faster router and get better speeds but the best thing about faster WiFi is it gives you more headroom. For example I can use the full 350 I get at my PC to download things and the remaining 125 I’m guaranteed is enough to run the rest of the house. If you get a WiFi6 (ax) router you’d likely see better speeds though.

The 15ft thing is also BS Ethernet standards dictated the speed over a 100m run for cat 5e and 6 which would be the ones you need.

 

[stuff and nonesense]

20mb and thats not a misprint i did say 20 not 200

20 millibits megabits is really low bandwidth…. @editor mb milli bits, Mb megabits, MB mega bytes. Your edit was correcting me pointing out the error in multiple posts.
20mb/s really is a low bandwidth

The supplied router provided by SKY in the UK is gigabit wired, with CAT 6 cables that connection speed available. My limitation for internet connection is the money I pay to SKY. 100Mbit is enough for me today.

 

[SkyNetRising]

They say the only answer is to use an ethernet cable from main pc to hub that is 15 feet away but due to layout of home that is not possible.

Why is it not possible?
Can you make a drawing to illustrate layout problems?
(upload to imgur.com and post link)

 

[Ralston18]

Do not use flat Ethernet cables. Anywhere.

Only Cat 5e or Cat 6 - UTP, pure copper, round, 22-24 AWG cables.

 

[MJS WARLORD]

Sorry for late replies @SkyNetRising .... room layout ... image 2 rooms knocked in one and the floor footprint is a big oblong . The bottom left corner is where the B.T. ONT box is fixed to the outside wall and the smart hub 2 is plugged into this. Top right of the oblong room is where my main set up is.

@Ralston18 you said dont use flat ethernet ??? and i was about to ask which CAT number grade to use https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=flat+ethernet+cable+10m&crid=1KO5OIZ0B3732&sprefix=flat+ether,aps,79&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_2_10

@Misgar i used your second link but i dont have a preferred band tab in advanced i just have
DOPacketCoalescng .... on disable
Dynamic MIMO Power Save ... on disable
Network Address ........... empty box
Roaming aggressiveness .... on medium

 

[SkyNetRising]

.... room layout ... image 2 rooms knocked in one and the floor footprint is a big oblong .
The bottom left corner is where the B.T. ONT box is fixed to the outside wall and the smart hub 2 is plugged into this. Top right of the oblong room is where my main set up is.

A drawing would help.

Anyway - I don't see a problem.
Install ethernet cable along the wall.
You can place it in electrical wiring duct channels or
hide them under baseboards along the wall.

 

[Ralston18]

@MJS WARLORD

No flat Ethernet cable of any kind.

Cat 7 and Cat 8 are not applicable to small "home" networks. Even if round UTP. Much of the Ethernet cable being sold is fake or substandard.

Cat 5e or Cat 6 is all that is necessary for most small network users.

FYI:

https://www.guru99.com/ethernet-cables-types.html

https://www.firewall.cx/networking/network-cabling/network-cabling-utp.html

[Links are for explanatory purposes and not intended as product or company endorsements or recommendations. You can easily find other similar links and explanations.]

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The cable pairs in round Ethernet cable are twisted to specific standards in order to minimize electromagnetice interference.

Flat "Ethernet" cable ignores that basic requirement.

And I would be remiss if I do not suggest that you read through some of threads in "Networking".

Ethernet cable types etc. are frequently mentioned and discussed.

 

[MJS WARLORD]

This is an update to my post and am wondering if this will give me the full 800mb that i am getting from the exchange to my home. Because i am wi-fi from hub to all devices i only average 350 mb per second.

TP-Link TL-PA4010P KIT AV600 Passthrough Powerline Adapter, 1 Port Powerline Wifi Extender, Ethernet...

I thing puzzled me ... on SOME youtube videos they say plug directly into wall socket but others dont mention it. Would the outer plug socket on the device be able to handle a surge protector with all my pc gear plugged into it.

If i am being sent 800mb per sec i might as well try to find a way to get it.
As i said at the start of the thread my old copper wire was only 20mb per sec so even if i cant go faster i am at least getting a lot more than i used to.

 

[bill001g]

You know the vendor is actually telling outright lies and know they are telling lies. The devices only have 10/100mbps ports so you will never get more than 100mbps.

Even if you buy the ones with the 2000 numbers you might get 130mbps.

I have not reread this thread but so I am not sure if moca was discussed. Moca can actually get full gigabit speeds BUT you must coax cables in both rooms.

 

[cruisetung]

As suggested by @bill001g the fastest possible speed in ideal condition you will get from the kit will be 100Mbps because it has a fast ethernet (100Mbps) port not gigabit (1000Mbps) no matter what your connection speed is.

Powerline is the worst networking tech in my opinion since the house powerline has a lot of noise intrinsically that's extremely hard to overcome. Getting only 20Mbps on your powerline is understandable using AV600 (apparently that 600 number is a big lie) years old tech.

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[MJS WARLORD]

After posting the latest info i rang tp help line and was really surprised at his honesty. I asked if the tp units would send the full 800 mb from the ONT and smart hub all the way round my home and he surprised me when he said . He said their is a 30% loss and sometimes more as the signals travel around the wiring and he worked out i would get less than i am getting now. They make a bigger unit the pg2400 but he said after signal loss i would not be much better off. Thank you for being honest but i wont be buying one

@cruisetung your last comment puzzled me you seem to think i am getting 20mb on a power line .... no ..... i was talking about 20mb on the old copper wire pre fibre

 

[cruisetung]

I think everyone is puzzled by your 20Mbps number.

What exactly was it then?

What do you mean pre fiber copper wire?

Was it DSL?

Anyway, you have to know the fastest speed you can get is the weakest link in the network. No matter what medium it is.

 

[bill001g]

What I would do is start at the very basics. I would get a new fairly short ethernet cable so you can sit next to the router. You need nothing special cat5e is fine but it must be pure copper with wire size 22-24. Check the ad for that information. Do not buy/use any flat cables non of them have the proper wire size or twist pattern.

First I would look at the "status" of the ethernet port and see the speed. Microsoft love to move this screen around with new patches. You should see 1000/1000. This would mean the connection is good and there is some kind of more complex software issue with the pc. The basic hardware and drivers are functioning when you see 1000/1000.

If you see 100/100 or something else then it implies there is a hardware issue. You know it not the cable, odds are against your old one and a brand new one being bad. I would try different ports on the router. (note I did not look your router up but almost all new routers have gigabit ports...unlike some powerline units). So this would leave the port in the pc being defective.

If you have a second pc I would try that first.

After than you consider buying a new ethernet nic cards. Luckily they are fairly inexpensive. PCIE ones are best if you have a slot. USB ones you want to be sure to plug it into a USB3 port.