[SOLVED] Can I limit the internet connection on my second router?

[HyperBeat]

Hello guys, So I have setup another router for some stuff... can I limit the connection on the second router? is it even possible?
My main router: TP-LINK WR740N
My second router: D-link 2100ap I know its really old, I am using it for some stuff..
I am not using the second router as a AP (access point) since my house is small and the main router is enough for it.
My current Internet connection/speed 5mbps I want to give my second router 1mbps
I hope you guys can help me, thanks!

 

[bill001g]

It is going to be very hard with a connection that small to really get it to work because of how the average rates.

I am going to bet you are going to have to do the configuration on the tplink. It depends on the firmware levels the router supports. The feature is called QoS. You should be able to limit the rates but it is done by ip address or mac address. Your router maybe too old to have the feature it all depends what the newest firmware you can load. Tplink has pretty good qos setting in their factory images.

Devices that are AP generally have almost no features they pretty much just convert wifi to ethernet. Even if it was a full blown router you would only be able to limit the rate to 1mbps but there is no way to guarantee it has 1mbps because you don't know what is going on in the main router.

Still it is going to be tricky to get this to work. You may have to reserve more or less to get it to limit closer to what you want.

 

[HyperBeat]

Some information of my Tp-link router:

Firmware Version:	3.16.9 Build 160325 Rel.61670n
Hardware Version:	WR740N v6 00000000

I have an option on my Tp-link router its called bandwidth control: http://prntscr.com/mrx1oa - http://prntscr.com/mrx1x3
And on my old router I have an option for data rate: http://prntscr.com/mrx55o (sorry if it was not related to my issue since I don't really have experience with routers)
The following Mode's are available on my 2nd router: http://prntscr.com/mrx3pg

 

[bill001g]

The second router all the stuff is related to wifi only.

The first router looks like you have the abilities to configure it. You would have to look at tplink for example. You would put in the ip address of the machine you want to have bandwidht and then set the min and max values so it works. You will have to play around with the numbers to get it to really work. If you ran speedtest for example and you had it limited to say 1mbps maximum it likely would spike to 2 or 3mbps for a short time and then drop back to 1mbps.

 

[HyperBeat]

Okay, I will try it and send the results, thanks a lot for helping me.

 

[HyperBeat]

If I enable the bandwidth control it effects the whole network
My main and 2nd router speed went from 5mbps to 0.20mbps both of them I did the following things:
• http://prntscr.com/mrxcko
• http://prntscr.com/mrxcp2
If you are wondering why my second router ip is 192.168.1.200 I have made it like this so it can be outside the DHCP on my main router and I get access for the setup page from my main router too.
Is this option helpful? http://prntscr.com/mrxgqf

 

[bill001g]

You have to set the limits on the first screen to match the numbers you get from your ISP. So if you have 5mbps down you need to set it to 5000 not 1000. This screen is not really used to limit the traffic it is used so the router know how much bandwidth it has to work with.

The second device is not a router it is a AP. The IP address is ONLY used to administer it. No traffic from that IP goes over the internet. If you were to connect your PC to the AP it would still get IP addresses from the main router. It is that IP you want to put in the traffic limiter.

 

[HyperBeat]

You have to set the limits on the first screen to match the numbers you get from your ISP. So if you have 5mbps down you need to set it to 5000 not 1000. This screen is not really used to limit the traffic it is used so the router know how much bandwidth it has to work with.

The second device is not a router it is a AP. The IP address is ONLY used to administer it. No traffic from that IP goes over the internet. If you were to connect your PC to the AP it would still get IP addresses from the main router. It is that IP you want to put in the traffic limiter.

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Well, I have enabled the bandwidth limit, and changed the speed to 5000 & 5000 and the speed is working fine.
You said that I have to put every IP in the rule list, but that 2nd router is for guests thats the idea I don't want to put every person IP, I want to limit the router connection if its not possible then do you have any suggestion?

 

[jsmithepa]

If the second router is doing NAT, then you configure first router to say... all traffic destination 2nd router WAN IP, limit it to whatever.

 

[HyperBeat]

Can you please be more specific cause I am an newbie, and I don't know alot with networks, just tell me the steps that I have to do..

 

[jsmithepa]

Deleted prior answer, error in it but gist still same. Gotta go to my appointment now, maybe I shall return.

 

[bill001g]

QoS is one of the most advanced network concepts there is. It is going to take you a lot of learning to get it all setup if you don't have something very simple.

Your first major problem is the device you keep calling a "ROUTER" is only a AP. It has only 1 purpose and that is to take wifi sessions and convert them to ethernet.

I am not sure any easy way to do what you want. It is pretty simple to set QoS for a single known machine. To try to do it for a group of machine that you may not know the IP addresses for I suspect is impossible using the equipment you have.

You might be able to load third party firmware like dd-wrt on the router. The router you list has multiple hardware revision levels which is going to make it even harder.

DD-WRT because it is a unix variant can likely do what you want BUT it is going to be massively more complex that what you have even looked at. You will have to actually edit the filter rules with a line mode editor. What you want is too advanced for the gui in dd-wrt.

....so I get this typed and forgot you had a DSL modem in the device which makes third party firmware impossible so I suspect a better answer to your original question is you can't do what you want to accomplish.

 

[jsmithepa]

I feel you are S.O.L. my friend. Forums like this are good enough to unstuck you but rely on you to do the bulk of the work. For this particular situation step-by-step is impossible because the various hardware vendors implement their interface differently and if you are going to be thrown off because well it's pink, not red, then that kind of preciseness required by you is not available unless someone here has the EXACT equipment and done this thing precisely as you do. Highly improbable.

At some point God willing vendors will sell more user-friendly network boxes and allows any user to configure these powerful tools without having to know all the arcane things behind them, until then, have a geeky cousin Winny u can call.

 

[digitalgriffin]

It is going to be very hard with a connection that small to really get it to work because of how the average rates.

I am going to bet you are going to have to do the configuration on the tplink. It depends on the firmware levels the router supports. The feature is called QoS. You should be able to limit the rates but it is done by ip address or mac address. Your router maybe too old to have the feature it all depends what the newest firmware you can load. Tplink has pretty good qos setting in their factory images.

Devices that are AP generally have almost no features they pretty much just convert wifi to ethernet. Even if it was a full blown router you would only be able to limit the rate to 1mbps but there is no way to guarantee it has 1mbps because you don't know what is going on in the main router.

Still it is going to be tricky to get this to work. You may have to reserve more or less to get it to limit closer to what you want.

QOS on consumer grade routers generally stinks unless you have a small bandwidth (<100 mbps) as it lowers the entire throughput. I've seen throughput drop on some 10mbps connections. I can't count the number of support threads where someone ask, "Why am I only getting 1/x of my network speed when QOS is on?"