can i make TN look like IPS ?

[DukiNuki]

hey guys i know the difference between these two . aside from the obvious one that is the viewing angle , IPS Produces more natural colors than TN that has this pink tint all over and also contrast difference and colors being bit more washed out . ok here are the questions

1.if a TN and IPS displays both have the same contrast ratio , does IPS still produce deeper blacks and better whites?

2.Can you make TN Panel look like IPS with some settings ? like some color adjustment like using warm color mode plus getting the contrast higher than normal ?

thank you

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

What contrast difference?

There's contrast uniformity difference, but not the static contrast. They both reach around 1000:1.

Cheaper TN monitors use 6 bit depth panels. Cheaper IPS monitors use 8 bit deph panels. The difference there are approx. 16515072 more colors available to display, so clearly the difference should be obvious. I said approx. because dithering is a thing, but dithering is not the real thing, regardless how many colors it's got access too.

8 bit TN vs 8 bit IPS can be identical provided all other specs are the same, apart from the viewing angles.

IPS does NOT produce deeper blacks, or better whites.

You can not increase the static contrast ratio, though calibrating can and will certainly bring out detail you may or may not saw pre calibration.




All the best!

 

[thor220]

1. Yes. Whites and blacks not only depend on the contrast ratio but also the ability of the monitor to display those shades correctly. Allot of the time TN panels will have an effect called "Dithering" that is used to compensate for a lack of colors that the monitor can display. TN, as you stated, also have gamma problems, which gives a tint to both white and black.

2. No you cannot make TN look like IPS. You can adjust the color but if the panel have a really large gamma deviance it'll look wrong no matter what settings you change. The hardware is the main determining factor of quality. If we could get IPS quality with TN there would be no need for IPS in the first place.

 

[Chugalug_]

Long story short; no.
If this was the case IPS panels simply would not be made, and everyone would be on TN.
If they have the same color depth sure, but TN is more limited in what level of this depth they can achieve, whereas IPS monitors are better in this area
TN monitors are cheaper to make, and this is for a good reason.
Image quality is a tradeoff for response times in TN panels, while IPS is the other way around.
However IPS monitors such as the XB270HU are now starting to get as low as 4ms response times.
Edited for poor wording and mix ups ^.^

 

[thor220]

What contrast difference?

There's contrast uniformity difference, but not the static contrast. They both reach around 1000:1.

Cheaper TN monitors use 6 bit depth panels. Cheaper IPS monitors use 8 bit deph panels. The difference there are approx. 16515072 more colors available to display, so clearly the difference should be obvious. I said approx. because dithering is a thing, but dithering is not the real thing, regardless how many colors it's got access too.

8 bit TN vs 8 bit IPS can be identical provided all other specs are the same, apart from the viewing angles.

IPS does NOT produce deeper blacks, or better whites.

You can not increase the static contrast ratio, though calibrating can and will certainly bring out detail you may or may not saw pre calibration.




All the best!

Calibrating for sure on TN panels. Far too many of them have the brightness set far too high. SImply decreasing the brightness would increase the perceived contrast and reduce eye strain.

 

[DukiNuki]

I'm Stuck between these two and i'm leaning toward TN for its lower resolution ( Higher graphic card life span if you know what i mean ) . is the TN panel on VS20 , 6 bit ? whats the image quality difference i gonna notice between these two ? and about the color thing you said is it really noticeable ? i'm a bit picky about the details but also want to save money too 😀 . i really love these monitors and have searched enough already and they match my budget and taste .

ASUS VS207T-P ( TN ) vs ASUS VC239H ( IPS )

 

[joshyboy82]

1. No. Not when viewed directly. Every monitor is different, and you're comparing apples to oranges. You're asking if your personal monitor ( or maybe mine, in this story) would look better if it were it were a different type, but in a measurement that eliminates any specific advantages. I'd say NO.

2. Color accuracy is...the ability to be correct. A screen is either correct, or it's not. IPS keeps it more accurate in different angles, but it too has some degradation. Not alot, especially compared to TN, but some. A specific color, like IBM Blue (Pantone Color 2718C) is either correct, or not. If you view a blue onscreen that isn't IBM blue, but it's supposed to be, then who cares whether you have an IPS monitor or a TN monitor.

I'm a Graphic Designer, and I use a TN display. Specifically a calibrated Dell Ultrasharp P2411H. My colors need to be accurate for my job. My boss doesn't give two squirts if I can view my monitor from 6 feet above it.

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

Who would seriously consider a 6 bit panel in 2016? The IPS at the same price range are using 8 bit panels, and again, that's 16.5million more colors. YES, of course you're going to notice the difference. Buy this monitor:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B015WCV70W/ref=twister_B00UWMLSHU?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
21.5" $99.99

I did several deadlines on a TN as well. Pretty cool to press 2 buttons in the program you're using, and your colors are suddenly accurate. No complaints to this day.

Besides, degradation is a real thing. Buying a pre calibrated monitor is ridic. expensive. If you buy a "cheap" IPS monitor, you are going to need a colorimeter as well. However, here's the problem for 99% of consumers which this holds true for.


a) Not able to control the color temperature of their room
b) They don't buy a colorimeter, they think that IPS automatically makes it display accurate colors
c) They don't re calibrate every month even after buying a colorimeter

I could probably come up with more mistakes, but I digress..



All the best!

 

[DukiNuki]

Thanks for all the detailed answers guys . really helped . So i guess i gotta try getting an IPS but really hate to keep my graphic card on the edge because the lowest resolution for an IPS monitor i have found so far is 1080p not that its a bad resolution for high end cards but there are always those few games that are either optimized too badly or surprise you on how demanding they . i hate such surprises thats why i love to combine high end card with low res monitor .

can you guys at least tell me if ASUS VS207T-P is using 6 bit panel ? how do i figure that out buying a monitor .

i liked ASUS VS207T-P for its built in speakers + DVI ( which is digital ) + Not high not low resolution + Great Looks + Seems Quality stuff + good response time

its hard to get all that in one monitor but whats the point when 6 bit will make noticeable difference . ever since i started searching about TN vs IPS i still cant figure out how different they are image quality and color richness wise and is it noticeable or not . because some say it is and some say its not . anyway thanks alot ;D

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

You can't. Manufacturers don't tell us the truth, not even close. You're going to have to rely on reviews. Also, don't confuse response times for input lag, a lot of people do. They are completely different specs.


All the best!

 

[joshyboy82]

so, now that we have evolved into an answer, isn't the concept of making your computer look incorrect to satisfy your impressions of IPS, stupid? No, probably not. This is called conformation bias. You already wanted an IPS monitor, but had a TN, so you researched the difference and tried to apply our conversation to your monitor. Some are nice, and will discuss it like you are asking a serious question, some (me) will tell you that it doesn't matter, and ultimately, your envy will control you.

I'm an adult, with a college education and a well paying job. If I thought I was better off with a different monitor, I'd go buy one. I'm an American with a Microcenter 2 miles away, I don't live in envy. This thread was a circle-jerk started by the OP. Look at what he's asking, and what he chose as best. How about this: DUDE! YOU HAVE A TN MONITOR, if you want an IPS monitor, go buy one. Oh, you don't have the money, not my problem.

 

[DukiNuki]

actually i have no monitor right now , i'm currently on my notebook planing to build a PC . i'm little tight on budget and really wanted to know if im not missing anything serious going for TN or maybe i should save some money for IPS if the difference is so obvious , i couldn't make up my mind that's why i came here asking you guys for opinions , what exactly did i do wrong :| ?

 

[joshyboy82]

in that case, nothing. But you came in with intent, and you were served your belief. It doesn't make it right, or wrong, it just seems so swayed. It's not that I can't do anything, its that no one can do anything. A TN monitor was not represented fairly in this thread, and if this thread is what you have to go off, than 5 people in the WHOLE WIDE WORLD said you're wasting your time on TN. My point was accurate color doesn't care about monitor type. You asked how to make your monitor INNACURATE, just to duplicate your perceived color inaccuracy of a IPS monitor. You never wanted accurate color, you just wanted an IPS monitor, and wanted to duplicate the wrongness you perceived on your new TN monitor.

 

[DukiNuki]

I Honestly saw no difference in colors between TN and IPS from many youtube videos i watched . i must be blind or something but all i have noticed is a bit of pinkish tint on TN panel and slightly better contrast on IPS plus the fact that you can view it from different angles . i personally didn't see enough difference to pay that much more for an IPS panel so i came here asking if i can reduces some flaws on TN like if it has cold tint maybe i can use Warm Color settings . and if the colors are bit washed out maybe i can increase the contrast or something . you know i came asking if calibrated TN panel can get even closer to an IPS panel .

i seriously cant understand why your so pissed , if its too hard to give an opinion like a calm person you can always not answer . not one opinion is the best of all . not anyone has the same opinion . you might say that theres a huge difference and someone might come and say that theres not much difference and you can do this or that to solve some flaws . then i gather all the opinions and i make a decision based on all of it .

 

[DukiNuki]

3 other people came here and nicely gave their opinion . even you gave your opinion nicely at first but non of the other guys came back yelling at me on my decision because they are here to help and give their opinions not to yell at people for not doing what they think is right to do . you need to calm down 😀 you will repel people around you if you keep acting like that .

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

6 bit TN cannot match 8 bit IPS, this has nothing to do with color tints, but all to do with the amount of colors to choose from, 260k vs 16 milion. However, you obviously can't look at 1 TN and 1 IPS and draw your conclusion, that really doesn't work. The reason to forget about TN, is because IPS offers better specs at the same cost, there is literally no reason to consider a TN, as long as it's not 144 Hz, because there are good deals on those, considering there are no 1080 144 Hz IPS panels.

 

[DukiNuki]

this monitor "ASUS VS208N-P" is a TN panel and states that has 16 million color .

If im going for an IPS panel then i should go for 1080p monitor and not a 900p . its not bad but it wont be long for my high end GPU to struggle to run some games maxedout . 900p is safer . but anyway . ill really consider an IPS Monitor and even a 1080p monitor . but can you clarify why that TN monitor says that it has 16m colors ?