Can i7-3630qm go ANY higher than 2.4ghz? GTX 1070

[RileyM]

I know I know it's a bad combination but it's all I can afford. I have a GTX 1070 and a laptop with an i7-3630qm.

How well will they work. The guy I bought the 1070 off of was using an old i5-2400 non K, and he was getting 50fps on 4k all ultra settings in most games. The 2400 is apparently 3.1GHz, and mine is 2.4GHz.

Google actually says my i7 can range from 2.4-3.4, and some people say it's possible to overclock and other say it's not.

Also IT IS technically an i7 and they are somewhat comparable this site says there are benifits and some say it's even faster...

here are some good comparisons

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-3630QM-vs-Intel-Core-i5-2400/626vs803

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-3630QM-vs-Intel-Core-i5-2400

Obviously this will bottleneck me and I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to boost it even just a bit but preferably to 3GHz.

I just can't afford an entire computer right now and i'm sick of my incredibly weak system that can't run BF4 on anything more than medium to low settings at 1080p.

 

[RileyM]

Anyway can you explain what those charts are showing? I see that's a 1080 not 1070 and also what do they mean thanks.

Graphics cards use the PCIe interface. The bandwidth provided by this interface depends on two things: the PCIe version (1.0/1.1, 2.0, 3.0) and the width of the interface, AKA the number of lanes (x1, x4, x8, or x16). PCIe 1.1 provides 250 MB/s per lane, and it doubles with every successive revision (500 MB/s per lane for 2.0, 1 GB/s per lane for 3.0). All modern motherboards provide a PCIe 3.0 x16 slot for a graphics card, so 1 GB/s per lane times 16 lanes equals 16 GB/s total bandwidth.

That article tests what happens to gaming performance when you limit that bandwidth to less lanes/slower versions, meaning less bandwidth available. As you can see, once you go down to PCIe 1.1 x4, you've lost 17% of your performance (on average across the games they tested) at 4K. You will have have PCIe 2.0 x1 (500 MB/s), which is equivalent to PCIe 1.1 x2, so half of the lowest bandwidth they tested. So performance impact will be even worse.

The article used a GTX 1080 for testing, but the performance of a 1080 and 1070 are close enough that I wouldn't expect the conclusions to really differ.

For comparison, if you were to use a thunderbolt 3 connection, which is what modern graphics card docks use, you'd have a PCIe 3.0 x4 connection, or 8 times more bandwidth than the adapters you're looking at. That's why external graphics card docks have started springing up lately, because there's finally a viable solution that provides enough bandwidth for an external GPU to make sense (in specific use cases anyway).

If I were you, and you don't actually need the portability of a laptop, I'd rather try to sell the laptop, return the GTX 1070 (if you still can), and build a desktop. Even if you end up only being able to afford a lower tier graphics card (e.g. RX 580, GTX 1060).

why would I return the 1070? makes no sense? Why cant I use it in a desktop build later.

I already have an ssd, power supply, hardrive, case, and graphics card, all I need now is a motherboard cpu etc, and here in canada this stuff is soooo much more expensive than usa. an i5 8400 is 349$ gtx 1070 new is 700$. 700 DOLLARS!!! I paid 400 for mine.

anyway I need my laptop as well I do all my work on it I can't just sell it. I need something portable when I travel.

A question though, will I still have access to all 8gb of vram? and will the performance still be better than a 970? I'm thinking maybe just a bit lower performance than a 980

 

[TJ Hooker]

The reason I suggested returning the 1070 is that you said you couldn't afford to build a new machine right now and I figured returning the 1070 and getting a cheaper card might help make a new PC closer to within your budget. If you want to keep it so you can eventually put it in a desktop that's up to you.

But your prices are way off. You can get a new i5 8400 for like 250 CAD, a new 1070 for as little as ~450 CAD. If you paid $400 for a used one I honestly think you may have overpaid, unless you got a premium model. I see 1070s listed for ~350 CAD on Kijiji in my area. A Ryzen 2600 is also an option for a bit less than the 8400.

Yes, I think the 1070 with reduced bandwidth would still be better than a 970.

 

[RileyM]

The reason I suggested returning the 1070 is that you said you couldn't afford to build a new machine right now and I figured returning the 1070 and getting a cheaper card might help make a new PC closer to within your budget. If you want to keep it so you can eventually put it in a desktop that's up to you.

But your prices are way off. You can get a new i5 8400 for like 250 CAD, a new 1070 for as little as ~450 CAD. If you paid $400 for a used one I honestly think you may have overpaid, unless you got a premium model. I see 1070s listed for ~350 CAD on Kijiji in my area. A Ryzen 2600 is also an option for a bit less than the 8400.

Yes, I think the 1070 with reduced bandwidth would still be better than a 970.

Where can I get it for 450 new? Amazon says 701$

https://www.amazon.ca/EVGA-GeForce-GAMING-Support-08G-P4-5173-KR/dp/B01KVZBNY0

and newegg says 923$

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487248

screenshot:

https://imgur.com/a/LLCS3Ir

sorry maybe I'm reading this wrong then I don't use amazon or newegg often but it clearly says add to cart 923$ on new egg I can take a photo if you want. Not trying to be rude btw.

 

[TJ Hooker]

You have to realize that GTX 1070s have officially been supplanted by Geforce 20 series cards, and are out of production. When this happens, a couple things can occur:

-Prices of previous gen cards keep selling at the same price, rather than being updated to reflect their performance relative to the new gen cards;

And/or

-Stock starts to dwindle and popular retailers (like Amazon and Newegg) sell out of them, and don't get more stock because they're end of life. You instead get small 3rd party marketplace retailers selling them, which often list them for ridiculous prices, probably hoping to take advantage of uninformed people such as yourself. Those inflated prices in no way reflect the real market value of the card.
This is the case for the two links you provided. Notice how neither of them are actually sold by Newegg/Amazon? That particular model of GTX 1070 (and GTX 1070s in general) has never been worth $900+, except maybe for a tiny bit during the height of the crypto mining graphics card shortage. You can see the price history here: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/9TYWGX/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-acx-30-video-card-08g-p4-6171-kr?history_days=730

For another example of this, here's a GTX 970 for $715.
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007708%20600536049%204814
Obviously the card isn't (and has never) been worth that much.

I mean, why on earth would any GTX 1070 be worth that much, when you can buy an RTX 2060 (which is roughly on par with a GTX 1080) for under $500? The answer is, it wouldn't.

RTX 2060s:
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007708%20601327179

As an aside, here's a GTX 1070 for $450
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500408

 

[RileyM]

You have to realize that GTX 1070s have officially been supplanted by Geforce 20 series cards, and are out of production. When this happens, a couple things can occur:

-Prices of previous gen cards keep selling at the same price, rather than being updated to reflect their performance relative to the new gen cards;

And/or

-Stock starts to dwindle and popular retailers (like Amazon and Newegg) sell out of them, and don't get more stock because they're end of life. You instead get small 3rd party marketplace retailers selling them, which often list them for ridiculous prices, probably hoping to take advantage of uninformed people such as yourself. Those inflated prices in no way reflect the real market value of the card.
This is the case for the two links you provided. Notice how neither of them are actually sold by Newegg/Amazon? That particular model of GTX 1070 (and GTX 1070s in general) has never been worth $900+, except maybe for a tiny bit during the height of the crypto mining graphics card shortage. You can see the price history here: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/9TYWGX/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-acx-30-video-card-08g-p4-6171-kr?history_days=730

For another example of this, here's a GTX 970 for $715.
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007708%20600536049%204814
Obviously the card isn't (and has never) been worth that much.

I mean, why on earth would any GTX 1070 be worth that much, when you can buy an RTX 2060 (which is roughly on par with a GTX 1080) for under $500? The answer is, it wouldn't.

RTX 2060s:
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007708%20601327179

As an aside, here's a GTX 1070 for $450
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500408

Well this sounds like a ripoff to me.

I hope now you can atleast see how this would easily confuse me. Of coarse I know a 1070 isn't worth 923$

But I mean look that's what is listed on newegg, theres not much to go off of to determine this is not the official price. I mean is the only indication that it says supplied by X?

I mean and thats in tiny letters hidden away. I'm pretty sure this counts as false advertising, or if not it's pushing it. If it's a new product why would the value by so high?

Thanks for letting me know this tell me how I can tell if I'm getting the actual price in the future I'd appreciate that

 

[TJ Hooker]

Well, you could compare the price of a particular listing for one model to different models of the same GPU, and also compare between multiple sites. And compare the price to other GPUs that perform similarly. Which I'd think is a pretty standard thing to do anytime you're shopping for any sort of significant purchase.

You could look at the price history on pcpartpicker. Or see how the price compares to MSRP.

I guess if you were to look for an easy rule of thumb to use then simply ignoring marketplace sellers probably isn't a bad idea. But that by itself definitely doesn't guarantee you're paying a fair price. Even most the 1070 models currently selling direct from Newegg are pretty overpriced when compared to the RTX 2060.

I don't see how this could count as false advertising though. They can list it for whatever they want, people can choose whether or not to buy it. If someone overpays for a product because they didn't shop around for alternatives, I'd say that's on them.