Can the 1070 take full advantage of the 144hz 1440p?

[comanzo]

Title says it all. To help give context to the question, I have a dell s2716dg (1440p, 144hz, g-sync) monitor. I plan to get the gtx 1070 since it's a better buy than the 1080. Even though the 1080 takes more advantage of the 144hz, it doesn't fully do so, and isn't worth it in the price to performance aspect. Even the new Titan X doesn't fulfill the job unless it's overclocked. While I can afford a Titan X, I am a person who follows best bang for buck principles, which means I must wait for 1080ti or later.

Back to the topic at hand, since only the titan x oc can achieve 144fps successfully, the answer to this question is important. It determines if I get a 1060 until an affordable gpu comes out that can give 144fps 1440p, or I get the 1070. So the question is: does it really matter that I achieve 144fps in order to take full advantage of the 144hz, or is it still useful at lower fps? In other words, would it have made a difference getting a 60hz vs. 144hz monitor if I am getting below 60fps?Thanks for the help in advance.

 

[Epicness937]

if you plan on later useing the full 144hz then 100% yes its worth it if your always going to run a1060 or something then no its not at all worth it

 

[comanzo]

if you plan on later useing the full 144hz then 100% yes its worth it if your always going to run a1060 or something then no its not at all worth it

No the 1060 was to hold off until something was better. I currently have a gtx 750 and must upgrade now. So if the 1070 couldn't fulfill the 144hz advantage, then 1060 was the way to go. If 1070 could take some usefulness in the 144hz, then 1070 it is. 1080 is out of the question since 20% performance increase doesn't justify a 40-50% increase in price. Obviously Titan XP is out as well. So which path do you recommend, go 1060 and wait for 1080ti or volta, or go 1070 and not upgrade for a while?

 

[g1abhi]

if you plan on later useing the full 144hz then 100% yes its worth it if your always going to run a1060 or something then no its not at all worth it

He has the monitor already. He needs advice over what card to buy. The title is misleading.

 

[g1abhi]

if you plan on later useing the full 144hz then 100% yes its worth it if your always going to run a1060 or something then no its not at all worth it

No the 1060 was to hold off until something was better. I currently have a gtx 750 and must upgrade now. So if the 1070 couldn't fulfill the 144hz advantage, then 1060 was the way to go. If 1070 could take some usefulness in the 144hz, then 1070 it is. 1080 is out of the question since 20% performance increase doesn't justify a 40-50% increase in price. Obviously Titan XP is out as well. So which path do you recommend, go 1060 and wait for 1080ti or volta, or go 1070 and not upgrade for a while?

Gync and 144hz is something which is noticeable in some games much more and hardly noticeable in some. For FPS shooters high fps reduce dizziness and reduce stutter and tearing well. For RPG and strategy it doesnt matter much.

Also You should buy card based on the setting at which you want to play and not FPS be the deciding factor . since FPS can be tuned by modifying settings.

 

[comanzo]

if you plan on later useing the full 144hz then 100% yes its worth it if your always going to run a1060 or something then no its not at all worth it

He has the monitor already. He needs advice over what card to buy. The title is misleading.

Not really. I didn't know if the 144hz is still useful below 60fps. That is kind of important. Since monitor speed deals with displays, it isn't necessarily misleading. Though I do agree, I should have been more accurate and concise with the title. My bad.

 

[g1abhi]

In any case Buying a Gtx 1070 can never go wrong since what really matter is the G-Sync for most games and not the 144hz . The advantage of GSync is at lower frames actually when the Frame cycles are out of sync for standard monitors . 144 hz was initially just a workaround to reduce the issue which Gsync solved totally.

 

[comanzo]

In any case Buying a Gtx 1070 can never go wrong since what really matter is the G-Sync for most games and not the 144hz . The advantage of GSync is at lower frames actually when the Frame cycles are out of sync for standard monitors . 144 hz was initially just a workaround to reduce the issue which Gsync solved totally.

So since my monitor is both g-sync and 144hz, does the 144hz only become useful after 60fps? If that's the case, then 1070 maybe isn't right for me since it barely goes above 60fps.

 

[g1abhi]

for 2k Gsync 1070 is good enough. especially if you turn down the MSAA a notch, you will get over 60 fps always, and over 80 for NVidia optimized games.
The review benchmarks are done at ultra setting , and honestly in my opinion there is not much difference in high and ultra to pay double the cost of graphics card.

 

[comanzo]

for 2k Gsync 1070 is good enough. especially if you turn down the MSAA a notch, you will get over 60 fps always, and over 80 for NVidia optimized games.
The review benchmarks are done at ultra setting , and honestly in my opinion there is not much difference in high and ultra to pay double the cost of graphics card.

Ok. One last question. You said that I would be able to achieve above 60fps and even up to 80's on some games. What about the other 64hz? Does it get wasted, or is it fully utilized in fps shooter games, which it was intended for? I just want to make sure I don't waste any of my monitor's features is what I am getting at. I appreciate the help and quick replies.

 

[g1abhi]

In any case Buying a Gtx 1070 can never go wrong since what really matter is the G-Sync for most games and not the 144hz . The advantage of GSync is at lower frames actually when the Frame cycles are out of sync for standard monitors . 144 hz was initially just a workaround to reduce the issue which Gsync solved totally.

So since my monitor is both g-sync and 144hz, does the 144hz only become useful after 60fps? If that's the case, then 1070 maybe isn't right for me since it barely goes above 60fps.

Yes the 144hz becomes useful after crossing over 90-100 fps actually. Again FPS is a very dynamic variable and depends on the game and your setting.
Edit: 144hz was also a workaround( not just a workaround) along with providing the faster refreshes for frames more than 60 a sec.
Its a question of what you want to compromise upon , value or performance. If you have the money for a 1080, and game liek theres no tomorrow, go for it now by all means.

 

[J_E_D_70]

Depends on the game but you shoikd absolutely get the 1070. I have the same monitor/gpu combo and love it.

BF4 ultra in metro i normally run in the 130s-140s. I could turn down msaa a notch and go higher but dont see a need. Witcher 3 runs 53-60 fps at ultra with hairworks on at 2xaa. The gsync keeps it nice and smooth. Havent had time to try other games.

 

[g1abhi]

for 2k Gsync 1070 is good enough. especially if you turn down the MSAA a notch, you will get over 60 fps always, and over 80 for NVidia optimized games.
The review benchmarks are done at ultra setting , and honestly in my opinion there is not much difference in high and ultra to pay double the cost of graphics card.

Ok. One last question. You said that I would be able to achieve above 60fps and even up to 80's on some games. What about the other 64hz? Does it get wasted, or is it fully utilized in fps shooter games, which it was intended for? I just want to make sure I don't waste any of my monitor's features is what I am getting at. I appreciate the help and quick replies.

Yes it does get wasted , if your GPU is not able to cross the 60-80 fps barrier.

 

[g1abhi]

Depends on the game but you shoikd absolutely get the 1070. I have the same monitor/gpu combo and love it.

BF4 ultra in metro i normally run in the 130s-140s. I could turn down msaa a notch and go higher but dont see a need. Witcher 3 runs 53-60 fps at ultra with hairworks on at 2xaa. The gsync keeps it nice and smooth. Havent had time to try other games.

Exactly my point , thanks for verifying. With few minor tweaks you can use your monitor to almost 90% potential while losing 5% of visual appeal at max . Its up to you if the last bit of visual quality matters enough for you to make the 400$ jump.

 

[comanzo]

Depends on the game but you shoikd absolutely get the 1070. I have the same monitor/gpu combo and love it.

BF4 ultra in metro i normally run in the 130s-140s. I could turn down msaa a notch and go higher but dont see a need. Witcher 3 runs 53-60 fps at ultra with hairworks on at 2xaa. The gsync keeps it nice and smooth. Havent had time to try other games.

Depends on the game but you shoikd absolutely get the 1070. I have the same monitor/gpu combo and love it.

BF4 ultra in metro i normally run in the 130s-140s. I could turn down msaa a notch and go higher but dont see a need. Witcher 3 runs 53-60 fps at ultra with hairworks on at 2xaa. The gsync keeps it nice and smooth. Havent had time to try other games.

Exactly my point , thanks for verifying. With few minor tweaks you can use your monitor to almost 90% potential while losing 5% of visual appeal at max . Its up to you if the last bit of visual quality matters enough for you to make the 400$ jump.

Ok. Yea, it's just that I thought the 144hz was meant to get 144fps in EVERY game, from rpg games to fps shooter games, which was why I was previously waiting on the 1080ti/volta. However, that would waste G-Sync in that situation. Now I know it's only meant for shooters the 144hz, while the g-sync is for the heavy duty games. And now that I know about what the 144hz was meant for, it doesn't make sense to jump another $400. So 1070 it is. Thanks for the help and quick replies.

 

[J_E_D_70]

Happy gaming! If you do want more frames, I think you'll find that you can back off of some settings at 1440p you'd normally max at 1080p without a loss of quality that you can detect.

 

[comanzo]

Happy gaming! If you do want more frames, I think you'll find that you can back off of some settings at 1440p you'd normally max at 1080p without a loss of quality that you can detect.

I believe that it also depends on monitor size if the loss of quality would be detected or not. The monitor I have is 27 inches. Do you still think some loss of quality can go undetected at that size?

 

[J_E_D_70]

I ran a test just last night to monitor CPU/GPU usage at 1080p ultra instead of 1440p. Witcher went from up around 65fps to a high of 85fps, BF4 went from 140-ish to mid-180s. Both games actually looked pretty good, to me at least, at 1080p on a 27" 1440p screen.

 

[comanzo]

I ran a test just last night to monitor CPU/GPU usage at 1080p ultra instead of 1440p. Witcher went from up around 65fps to a high of 85fps, BF4 went from 140-ish to mid-180s. Both games actually looked pretty good, to me at least, at 1080p on a 27" 1440p screen.

Ok. Thanks for all the help. I appreciate it.

 

[ael1985]

I'd wait for next year cards. There is no way to take full advantage of 144hz 1440 with a single card solution right now.

Just check the benchmarks, at 1440 high/ultra settings the 1070 struggles to keep a good fps count to enjoy the 144hz.

 

[J_E_D_70]

Beware the necromancer...

 

[frank_hnd]

I have a 1070+144hz/1440p.
for FPS games where high refresh rate is useful you will always be above 90FPS (i play at 144fps on Overwatch ultra everything and 85-144FPS in BF1 Beta)
for AAA games where visuals and no tearing is what you want then Gsync + IPS screen will take care of that. and trust me those games will be above 60FPS and you will appreciate the smoothness of it. which you wouldn't feel on a normal 60Hz screen where everything is just so stuttery.

fortunately it doesn't matter which kind you prefer since the Gsync screens with 1440p have all these specs. you can't go wrong with a 1070, buying a 1080 will make you regret it in a couple of months when the new king comes out and left thinking I could've been more than fine with a 1070.

 

[comanzo]

Yea I ended up getting the 1070 FTW. So this was the route I was thinking of taking. When volta shows up, I can grab another 1070 for half the price, or instead pick up the 1170 (if volta names the card that). I can also pick up the 1080ti if that card lives up to the rumors. That way, I can oc my monitor from 144hz to say, 180hz(or whatever the max oc is), and enjoy even more fps. Or do you guys think I should stick with 1 1070 for a long time?

By the way, I totally agree with you guys in staying away from the 1080. The price/performance ratio is awful. If I am going to get more performance, I either go for 1080ti, or wait for volta. Either way, those two will give me a better bang for buck than the 1080 ever will.

So for now, the 1070 will be fine for my 144hz panel. But to take advantage of oc my monitor to the max (like 180hz for ex.), I am going to have to wait for more gpu's to come out.

 

[frank_hnd]

I think you will be happy with a single 1070 for quite some time. IMO Ocing the monitor above 144Hz is pointless, anything above 90FPS is just pure luxury.

 

[comanzo]

Hey I appreciate the quick feedback and help. So I will take that advice, and just stay with my 1070. I guess the law of diminishing returns happens after a certain high fps. That's why you said oc monitor above 144hz is kind of pointless, correct? Man do I hate the law of diminishing returns. Lol.