[SOLVED] Can't get DRAM calculator numbers to work.

[Martin_133]

Hello everyone.

I'm in a need of a bit of assistance, please.

I've put together a new rig, and i've had some issues, latest one, that i can't seem to crack is the numbers
DRAM Calculator wants me to fill in.
I keep getting reboots. I tried tweaking the volts a bit, but without luck.
What should i give a go for with tweaking? And is there any reason to run the
calculations from DRAM calculator, compared to the 16-19-19-39?

(XMP/DOCP fails memtest)

Setup:
CPU: Ryzen 5 5600x. (not OC'd right now while doing ram tweaking)
GPU: Rx 5700 XT 8gb Sapphire Nitro.
PSU: Corsair TCX 650M 80+.
SSD: Samsung Evo 860 500gb.
RAM: 2x8gb G.skill tridentz Neo 3600mhz (16-19-19-39) (was defective)
Motherboard: Asus Rog-strix B550-f gaming. (running newest bios, 1602. 05/01/2021)


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PROBLEM SOLVED:


So, i've found the root cause of the problem; one ram stick was defective. I did troubleshooting by swapping DIMS and taking out one stick at a time.

This problem first showed itself in the form of major stutter in BFV in the campaign videos, and also micro stuttering while playing the actual game.
And also with DRAM calculations not working.

I'm creating an RMA as soon as possible, and will be looking for ward to getting some fresh ram sticks.

Thank you very much for your help, i appreciate it and am now looking fo


Thank you in advance and best regards
Martin.

 

[VforV]

All I can tell you is my experience with DRAM Calculator, which is that I could not use those values for my memory kit.
Even the SAFE values were too tight for my kit. It seems I have a pretty mediocre one so I just used the Bios options for auto-OC ("Memory try it" for MSI) from 3000 CL15 to 3600 CL16 with very loose timings. That's the best I can get from it, so I settled for that.

 

[Martin_133]

All I can tell you is my experience with DRAM Calculator, which is that I could not use those values for my memory kit.
Even the SAFE values were too tight for my kit. It seems I have a pretty mediocre one so I just used the Bios options for auto-OC ("Memory try it" for MSI) from 3000 CL15 to 3600 CL16 with very loose timings. That's the best I can get from it, so I settled for that.

Hi!

Thank you for your reply. I will look into that.

I already did safe values with the DRAM calculator, that's what sucks, because i'm in the same as you are.
I can't for the life of me get those numbers to work. I've spent hours now, changing up stuff, and the highest i could get to it was:
14-17-18-36 and 3466mhz that said, only to boot halfway up, and run into blue screen.

Overclocking ram is very tricky!

It is sad that there is no middleway with the DRAM calculator, and that safe is jumping from 16CL to 14CL. So i am looking for other method manually
or hopefully someone else here has a recipe for something that works. I just want a small tweak!

 

[VforV]

Hi!

Thank you for your reply. I will look into that.

I already did safe values with the DRAM calculator, that's what sucks, because i'm in the same as you are.
I can't for the life of me get those numbers to work. I've spent hours now, changing up stuff, and the highest i could get to it was:
14-17-18-36 and 3466mhz that said, only to boot halfway up, and run into blue screen.

Overclocking ram is very tricky!

It is sad that there is no middleway with the DRAM calculator, and that safe is jumping from 16CL to 14CL. So i am looking for other method manually
or hopefully someone else here has a recipe for something that works. I just want a small tweak!

If you cant use the kit at the advertised XMP speeds "3600mhz 16-19-19-39" (as in, fails in stress tests) there might be an issues somewhere (the ram kit or mobo, sometimes even the newest Bios) - so you should find support from Asus wesite/forum.

Unless someone else here can help you more, try to google the exact name of you ram kit being OC or having issues, you may find someone else with the same model that has already OC-it or had similar issues.

 

[CountMike]

Perhaps you are not filling dram calculator with right data, http://www.softnology.biz/files.html can transfer data from RAM to calculator.

 

[Martin_133]

Perhaps you are not filling dram calculator with right data, http://www.softnology.biz/files.html can transfer data from RAM to calculator.

Hello! Thank you for your reply.

I used Thaiphoon and downloaded the data, and filled it in with "import XMP" and in nanoseconds too.
So unfortunately that isn't the problem.

 

[Martin_133]

If you cant use the kit at the advertised XMP speeds "3600mhz 16-19-19-39" (as in, fails in stress tests) there might be an issues somewhere (the ram kit or mobo, sometimes even the newest Bios) - so you should find support from Asus wesite/forum.

Unless someone else here can help you more, try to google the exact name of you ram kit being OC or having issues, you may find someone else with the same model that has already OC-it or had similar issues.

Hello again!

I did get it to work at 3600mhz with the DOCP. Turns out that i just have an AMD driver crash like once in a while.
I've checked up on this, and unfortunately, this is normal and people classify it as normal AMD behavior
that requires more stable drivers. (i've tried several different drivers)


I did however, get a bit of overclock to work yesterday:
3800mhz and with 15-19-19-39 compared to the normal 15-19-19-39. and it's stable. I can't seem to tighten the other timings.. It just won't let me.
However! I've gotten the best benchmarks so far (3Dmark Timespy)
And it's given quite an increase in CPU perfomance too which it should, since Ryzen CPU's likes the extra memory boosts.
And did take my GPU down a bit in score tho, but i was now able to clock it even higher than before.
So far so good, i think i am done with tweaking the memory for now, even tho i would like to tighten it even more, it takes an insane amount of time
and CMOS battery resets..


I ended up with:

CPUOC: 47.00ghz 1,25v

GPU boosts via AMD adrenaline.
GPUOC: 2070mhz frequency. 1.075v (i undervolted too)
1900 mhz vram.
power limit 50%:

Memory: 3800mhz 15-19-19-39 (using the other fillers from DRAM calculator, but tweaking the Mhz and CL only)

3DMARK SCORE: 9 653 OC (9338 stock settings)

Graphics Score: 9748 OC ( 9592 stock settings)
CPU Score: 9150 OC (8122 stock settings)

So i've gotten A LOT of extra perfomance on the CPU, but it seems to have bottlenecked my GPU, and to make up for that i had to tweak the GPU even harder.
But around 1000 higher score with CPU is quite a lot. Not sure if it's worth it in the end, tbh.

 

[CountMike]

Hynix chips, not very best for overclocking and with it tightening.
Considering very similar BIOS with DOCP maybe you could try what I did here. My other XMP is 3000MHz and by accident I set DOCP for 3000 and RAM frequency to 3600 and got RAM working at 3000MHz settings with lower Cas and other latency.
On this RAM XMP calls for Cl18 and Cl16 for 3000MHz. Initially DOCP set Cl17 instead of Cl18 and setting them as I did now works at Cl16, 17.17 17. 34(DOCP says it should be 54 instead. Try as I would, I couldn't get better numbers as now.

 

[Martin_133]

Hynix chips, not very best for overclocking and with it tightening.
Considering very similar BIOS with DOCP maybe you could try what I did here. My other XMP is 3000MHz and by accident I set DOCP for 3000 and RAM frequency to 3600 and got RAM working at 3000MHz settings with lower Cas and other latency.
On this RAM XMP calls for Cl18 and Cl16 for 3000MHz. Initially DOCP set Cl17 instead of Cl18 and setting them as I did now works at Cl16, 17.17 17. 34(DOCP says it should be 54 instead. Try as I would, I couldn't get better numbers as now.

Hello!

Yeah, i did read that Samsung B-die was to "die" for, when it comes to overclocking. My DOCP calls for 3600mhz cl16 (16-19-19-39) so it is actually quite nice as it is running 3600mhz with cl16 (i have G.skill neo 3600mhz) Tho the setup i reached now does yield far superior CPU results, like i've gotten over 1000 higher score in benchmark, so far now i'll leave it as is, i think.

On another note. I read something about uneven CL numbers are bad? Like 15 for example? compared to the 16.

I did try with 14CL overclock as in suggested by the DRAM calculator, i could get it to boot at around 3333mhz, with 14 CL. Didn't check it for stability tho.
And how about Tras tweaking? Because that i can actually tighten as the only one.

 

[Martin_133]

So i've been testing some games now, and it runs stable and i've gotten quite higher FPS in general on for example BFV.

I don't think i have the energy to try and achieve better results than i already did, because boy did i spend a lot of time on this now.

Guess i'll just "settle" with what i have for now, because it's not bad at all.


I am gonna try switching back from 15 CL to 16 CL and run some benchmarks again, to see the difference. (will post results)


I appreciate the help from you guys so far, and if someone has more advice, i'll be more than happy to have it. Thanks in advance!

 

[Martin_133]

Okay, so. I just changed CL from 15 and back to 16 (16-19-19-39) and jesus christ did it give a lot more perfomance.
from:
3DMARK SCORE: 9653
Graphics Score: 9748
CPU Score: 9150.

to:


3DMARK SCORE: 9883.
Graphics Score: 10032
CPU Score: 9120

Bit lower in CPU score tho, but not much.

This is the highest overall score i've gotten in any benchmark since i got this rig.

 

[CountMike]

Odd or even Cl numbers depend on dual or single and T1 or T2 forgot now of the top of my head which is which but DOCP on my MB doesn't give rat's tail for what most XMP values say, Both 3000 and 3600 XMPcall for odd Cl numbers and DOCP sets even numbers with T1 and doesn't take the change when set manually. If I set Cl15 or 17 (as in XMP) it stays 16 and 18.
Dram calc even agrees to most DOCP settings. Kinda crazy but works.

 

[VforV]

@Martin_133 You could try 3600 cl 16 18 18 36 and see how that is.

For my kit, which is a weird one, XMP is 3000 CL 15 16 16 35 69 and I could get it up to 3600 CL 16 19 16 32 78, but it has that 19 stuck and it won't budge at all. If I try 18 instead of 19 at that speed I get so many errors...

There are even strange kits like this one.

 

[Martin_133]

Odd or even Cl numbers depend on dual or single and T1 or T2 forgot now of the top of my head which is which but DOCP on my MB doesn't give rat's tail for what most XMP values say, Both 3000 and 3600 XMPcall for odd Cl numbers and DOCP sets even numbers with T1 and doesn't take the change when set manually. If I set Cl15 or 17 (as in XMP) it stays 16 and 18.
Dram calc even agrees to most DOCP settings. Kinda crazy but works.

Ahhh of course! I didn't try changing command rate to T2. Could be that maybe. I just left it as is tho. Ran in to another problem. I'm running 2540x1440 144 hz, tho i seem to get microstutter in BFV. Apparently i had done so many resets and reboots in the start that the last time i forgot to put my screen display to 144hz via Windows. I just set it to 144hz now.. It was on 60hz. But yeah, it looks beautiful and i have like 90 average fps on ultra, but there's micro stutters. Could it be something with the screen?

 

[Martin_133]

@Martin_133 You could try 3600 cl 16 18 18 36 and see how that is.

For my kit, which is a weird one, XMP is 3000 CL 15 16 16 35 69 and I could get it up to 3600 CL 16 19 16 32 78, but it has that 19 stuck and it won't budge at all. If I try 18 instead of 19 at that speed I get so many errors...

There are even strange kits like this one.

It wouldn't let me change the timing except for Tras which i could set all the way down to 35. But it got unstable after that.

Do me a favor and read my reply to to CountMike? Maybe you have advice?

Thanks!

 

[VforV]

It wouldn't let me change the timing except for Tras which i could set all the way down to 35. But it got unstable after that.

Do me a favor and read my reply to to CountMike? Maybe you have advice?

Thanks!

Personally I found out that micro stutters are game to game dependent in relation to different hardware too. There are so many variables from hardware parts, to OC, to software versions (Windows, drivers, etc)... it's hard to nail it fast or easy and point the finger at the problem. It could be any of those.
You best bet is to search "micro stutters in BFV" and see what that finds you. And compare it to how other games are running on your system.

Also as a general helping software for this particular issue, if you didn't use it by now, try using Intelligent Standby List Cleaner (ISLC), it's purpose is to mitigate this issue in all games. I'm using it always. Do some research about it if you don't know already.

That's about all the advice I can give you now.

 

[Martin_133]

Personally I found out that micro stutters are game to game dependent in relation to different hardware too. There are so many variables from hardware parts, to OC, to software versions (Windows, drivers, etc)... it's hard to nail it fast or easy and point the finger at the problem. It could be any of those.
You best bet is to search "micro stutters in BFV" and see what that finds you. And compare it to how other games are running on your system.

Also as a general helping software for this particular issue, if you didn't use it by now, try using Intelligent Standby List Cleaner (ISLC), it's purpose is to mitigate this issue in all games. I'm using it always. Do some research about it if you don't know already.

That's about all the advice I can give you now.

I did do a bit of searching for BFV stutter, nothing extensive yet tho, got quite a lot on my plate. Will look into it a bit more this week tho!

Awesome! I was hoping for an answer like that, in regards of software to try and narrow it down. Appreciate it mate, thanks!

 

[Martin_133]

Personally I found out that micro stutters are game to game dependent in relation to different hardware too. There are so many variables from hardware parts, to OC, to software versions (Windows, drivers, etc)... it's hard to nail it fast or easy and point the finger at the problem. It could be any of those.
You best bet is to search "micro stutters in BFV" and see what that finds you. And compare it to how other games are running on your system.

Also as a general helping software for this particular issue, if you didn't use it by now, try using Intelligent Standby List Cleaner (ISLC), it's purpose is to mitigate this issue in all games. I'm using it always. Do some research about it if you don't know already.

That's about all the advice I can give you now.

Hello again, hope you are well!

I could really use your help, if you of course have the time.
I ran into a lot of problems with the pc now.

Appreciate it, thanks.

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