[Check up] 850 gaming system

[thimobeuzel]

hey guys,

im building a pc for the first time
could you guys do a check up?
i already know about that 4670k gets really warm

CPU: i5 4570k (193)
CPU cooler : scythe mugen 3 pc hardware edition (37)
GPU: 770/280x (290)
MOBO: MSI Z87-G41 PC Mate(84)
PSU: Seasonic M12II 620w(68)
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Tactical (67)
case: zalman z11 plus (57)
HDD: seagate barracuda 1tb(52)

total: 847 euros

questions:
-Is everything compatible
-Can i SLI or xF with this PSU
-Do i have enough fan slots?

every bit of help would be appreciated.

greetings,

Thimo Beuzel

 

[thimobeuzel]

hey i heard that hyper 212 evo isnt really a good cooler for OC on other forums so i switched that one out for the scythe.... you think its good enough ???

about the mobo can you tell me the differences and what is exactly better.. i do not really know what i should look at 🙁

 

[siddharthmukul007]

hyper 212 evo/x are not by any means bad coolers for decent oc ing and budget....scythe is a bit better indeed, more expensive though

while selecting a mobo....you look for features that you need most:

number of usb, sata, e-sata ports,thunderbolt etc.
number of pci-e slots and their speeds (x16,x8,x4,etc)and locations for sli/cfx capability
power phase design....the more the number of phases the better and more stable the mobo oc s
also speeds of ram the mobo can support if you wish to oc ram s as well

 

[Rammy]

The Hyper 212 Evo and Scythe Mugen 3 aren't vastly dissimilar in performance, but there's quite a few reasons the 212 is such a popular recommend-

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  ■ It's among the cheapest tower coolers you can buy
  ■ It's available pretty much anywhere in the world
  ■ It's cooling performance : cost ratio is exceptionally good
  ■ It's relatively shallow, so avoids some compatibility issues with thicker heatsinks
  ■ It's remarkably consistent in most testing, giving solid performance at low and high speed

Picking a motherboard is pretty complicated, because the brochure alone doesn't give you enough information if you want to know how something will actually perform. MSI are particularly bad for this. The motherboard you picked, the G41 mate, is not truly Xfire capable, despite what they might tell you. Similarly, all Z87 boards should be SLI capable, it's a chipset feature, so if they aren't you know they've been crippled to reach a certain price point.
To me, cheap Z87 boards don't make a lot of sense. They often remove chipset features (like SLI), and lack the power phasing or VRM heatsinks to make a decent overclock viable. Remove these things, and a Z87 chipset is entirely pointless (SLI and overclocking are basically the only differences to H87).
You can certainly make an argument for something like a Z87 Extreme 3, but if you are spending that much money on a processor, it only makes sense to get a motherboard that can comfortably exploit it. I'd say for most people the sweet spot in terms of performance/cost is probably the Asrock Extreme 4, Asus Z87-PLUS, Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H level. If you want an MSI, the MSI Z87-G45 is probably your best bet.

 

[thimobeuzel]

hey guys i read everything

i wont have time to do anything related to my new PC..
i am probably gonna answer this on the day before thursday (forgot how to write it hahahah)
just so you guys know im not ignoring you guys or anything ;D

 

[Firefly Nerd]

Picking a motherboard is pretty complicated, because the brochure alone doesn't give you enough information if you want to know how something will actually perform. MSI are particularly bad for this. The motherboard you picked, the G41 mate, is not truly Xfire capable, despite what they might tell you.

What is your source for this?

 

[Rammy]

Didn't mean that to sound so anti MSI, just come across a few cases now where documentation is a bit sparse or misleading.
In the case of the G41 mate, the bottom slot is PCIe 2.0 x4 which isn't really enough to comfortably run crossfire. You'd expect a decent quality Z87 board to at least split the PCIe3.0 into two x8 lanes (four times more bandwidth).

 

[thimobeuzel]

CPU: 192 (4670k)
cooler: 29 (hyper evo 212)
gpu : 270 ( gtx 770/280x)
mobo:
PSU: 60 (corsair cx600m)
RAM 67 (ballistix crucial (gele))
case : 54 (zalman z11 plus)
HDD: 50 (seagate barracuda 1tb)

108 left over IF gpu = 290 euro

118 left over IF gpu = 270 euro

wich means i could get the MSI-z78-g45 gaming edition (is it good? cant find the 'phases(or how ever it is written 😛) and i dont know anything about the PCI-e slots
people have been talking about asus plus wich is a bit expensive(is it worth it?)

 

[Rammy]

If it was me, I'd probably get an Extreme4 as it's generally very decent and well priced, the G45 is pretty decent though. Asus products are generally a little more expensive for the same features but not vastly so.

My point about the MSI-G41 mate is that while it is officially a Z87 board, it doesn't really do quite a few of the things you'd expect a Z87 to do, like supporting at least two graphics cards properly.

 

[thimobeuzel]

Mhmhm...
Could you point out the differences between the extreme4 and g45?


Sorry for not doing this myself i just do not know what to look at 🙁

 

[siddharthmukul007]

look at the specs, power phase design, number of sata, usb etc. ports, layout and clearances etc.

 

[Rammy]

It's not always as simple as comparing one table to another, it's best to read reviews and see what stuff they came up with that is pretty hard to evaluate without using one yourself. Whether it's the BIOS, or physical characteristics of where connectors are, there is quite a lot of unquantifiable data.

With the G45 and Extreme 4, you won't notice many differences if you compare them like for like. They have a lot of minor differences but they generally balance each other out. Testing suggests that the Extreme 4 is the slightly better overclocker, has a couple of extra connectors and is often a tiny bit cheaper, but honestly there isn't much between them. If you want an MSI, there is nothing wrong with the G45, and it's a lot more complete than the G41 you were considering earlier.