China: Google Should Obey Rules When Leaving

[pipes990]

But these other countries don't illegaly steal from companies that enter their country. The Chinese government stole from google and I am glad google is standing up to them.

 

[orionantares]

[citation][nom]hksduhksdu[/nom]Then why this Google-China case?![/citation]

The main difference is that if those companies don't get licensed to to operate in the US or those US cars can't pass emissions tests neither of those things are going to be in response to those respective countries trying to break into the company data centers to steal private information about users.

Google decided it was done complying with Chinese censorship law when China decided to break into Google's systems.

I hope they do leave China because it will be a lot safer for the rest of us if they don't have a data center physically in China making it easier for them to potential break into any other Google systems around the world.

 

[doc70]

Thing is, Google knew about the censorship deal and played by it without a peep until that account got hacked. Then, all of a sudden re-gained it's spine and started the anti-censorship thing.
By all means, I don't agree with censorship in any form. But, if you get into the trough, expect to get eaten by the pigs.

 

[doc70]

[citation][nom]micr0be[/nom]china will grow larger....[/citation]
Ha, C&C Generals...

 

[tommysch]

[citation][nom]GutPunch[/nom]Sounds like they are warming up the collective of hackers to take another swing at Google.[/citation]

We have kinetic weapons if all else fails.

 

[rooket]

this is rather rediculous. on the one hand, no company has the right to disobey Chinese law. But on the other hand, messengers are allowed in China and can expose people to a large variety of things that are probably illegal there. Chinese people aren't easily sheltered anyway I'm sure their culture is not anywhere near being completely clean. there's just way too many people living there, can't police it all.

 

[stevesauce]

I don't like their rules...but you have to play by them if you want to play, PERIOD. If their laws give them the power to exploit/control any person/business, Google should have known this. Yes, it is wrong to be hacked and be told to QQ, but that's how things are ran in China. I feel sorry for Google and personally hate China's civil laws, but I don't want to see another Tiananmen Square Massacre..

 

[rhino13]

Right...
I think Google is doing about as good at following the rules as China does at respecting intilectual property or privacy rights.

 

[stevesauce]

My point exactly. China DOESN'T respect IP OR privacy rights. That's why piracy is so rampant in China, and they don't care to outlaw that kind of stuff. THEN AGAIN, Google is playing on China's homecourt. The only thing Google can do is go in and make their cash; that's what they're in for. Instead, Google is trying to play Robin Hood, so to speak, and give riches (information) to the poor (public). While I applaud Google's efforts as a Westerner, I feel they have no rights to go in and change China's broken system. It's not worth the time and effort because the Chinese public has been brainwashed. Also, I think China will test Google's diplomatic immunity to the limit; after all it IS their country. I hope Google pulls out safely.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Google should make all Google.cn search results just return a picture of the Dictator Hu Jintao.

Or a certain incident in Tiananmen Square back in 1989. [:mousemonkey]

Spoiler

 

[duk3]

Now what is that 😛
I say have them both 😀

 

[Guest]

I see what happen within that photo. is a young man wants to free china by dead trying, what if he success his action giving freedom to china and after that will china collapse like russia(Soviet Union)? they have the most population in the world. they can not allow for a quick change. to force to give quick freedom to all chinaman is madness. it will endup more people dead for his stupid madness dream. so the chinese government needs to kill one to save a thousand. poor guy. he just a tool for those who want to watch china going end of the day. I think everyone here in USA love to boycott products that are made in china. but why not just do it now? I guess why.? cause you can't find anywhere that can replace china now. I wonder where do you got that photo. it remind me civil war of america. revolution is war. winner kills loser.

 

[JohnnyLucky]

It does not appear that there is a solution to this issues that would satisfy all parties concerned. I doubt there will be a compromise. This morning's "Wall Street Journal" ran an article about the possibility of Microsoft replacing Google in China. That would probably be a very bad move.

 

[Mousemonkey]

I wonder where do you got that photo.

I just used a well known internet search engine.

 

[aznboi123]

With the problems of Chinese products with the tainted toys etc. It is caused by the world who demands more goods. With that quality is lowered and safety standards are passed to meet the demands. The U.S. government job is to protect the citizens from any harm which also means anything that enters the U.S. and the government failed, so really who is it to blame?

 

[anamaniac]

Ahh, us silly westerners thinking we know what's best for the whole world. =D
I can only hope everything is done peacefully. I do wish China would move to a system that benefits the civilians more, but as 'whocansee' said, we don't want what happened to Russia to occur again. Revolution is a very risky gamble, just look at many of these African or South American countries that repeatably revolt and are no better, maybe even worse, in the end.
I just wish the whole world could get along.
We also can't boycott China, we need that. I work for a Canadian company that produces for both Canada, U.S.A. and China. Almost all of our income is form the Americans and Chinese, simply because we don't have much of a market in our own country. Simply put, foreign nations MUST work together. Preferably through peace.
A happy medium must be met. Change must happen, but as any useful dramatic change, it must be slow and concise.

Best of luck to you Google, you've been helping me explore the internet since my youth.
[citation][nom]mousemonkey[/nom]Or a certain incident in Tiananmen Square back in 1989.[/citation]
That was an unfortunate event that even the Chinese government hopes will never be needed again. Don't forget, their politicians are still human.

 

[city_zen]

[citation][nom]anamaniac[/nom] Simply put, foreign nations MUST work together.[/citation]
Ok, I agree with that.

[citation][nom]anamaniac[/nom]Preferably through peace.[/citation]
Now, see, here is where you start to not make sense. What do you mean by "Preferably"? Can you actually "work" with another nation while you make war with them? No, you can't. So, "work" implies peacefully

[citation][nom]anamaniac[/nom]That was an unfortunate event that even the Chinese government hopes will never be needed again.[/citation]
Say what? "Unfortunate" isn't precisely the adjective that comes to my mind when trying to describe the Tiananmen Square MASSACRE. "Atrocious" is a much better description of the events. Remember, the "events" consisted of a fully prepared army firing against their own unarmed compatriots. It reminds me of the Qissa Khwani bazaar massacre in 1930 in India (disclaimer: I'm not Indian ... or American... or Canadian... or Chinese ... or European, so I'm fairly objective nationality-wise).
Also, "needed"? NEEDED? NEEDED?!?!? WTF? It wasn't needed. Not then, not now, not ever.

[citation][nom]anamaniac[/nom]Don't forget, their politicians are still human.[/citation]
So? Stalin was human, Hitler was human. Chinese politicians (past and current) are human too. Your point is ...?

 

[anamaniac]

[citation][nom]city_zen[/nom]What do you mean by "Preferably"?[/citation]
Not all trades between countries are quite as 'peaceful' as we'd wish.
Pick up a newspaper once every month.
[citation][nom]city_zen[/nom]"Unfortunate" isn't precisely the adjective that comes to my mind when trying to describe the Tiananmen Square MASSACRE.[/citation]
The Tiananmen square event wasn't the first, nor the last of its kind. There aren't any legitimate numbers on how many died, somewhere between hundreds to thousands.
I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of massacres even in recent times. I can't have a tear for every death that happens in the world.
And on to the point of needed. Some will put up the argument 'kill one save a thousand'. I've heard people argue that what the Chinese government did was necessary to keep order among a billion people. Everything is a sacrifice, and whether or not it's worth it depends on your own set of morales. I haven't studied Chinese history enough to properly voice my opinion on this specific matter.
Many of those who died knew exactly what they were getting into. It's not like saying they cruised around in tanks and blew up every orphanage in the city just because they felt like it.
How about the massacres caused by the tainted tobacco people smoke? Is there any excuse for this? How about the massacre of people selling hard drugs? I've lost friends and family from cancers and addictions. I live in a peaceful country.
[citation][nom]city_zen[/nom]So? Stalin was human, Hitler was human. Chinese politicians (past and current) are human too. Your point is ...?[/citation]
Some men have gone into the dark spiral of madness, but do you believe every politician in China would order the death of a thousand innocents?
Some of us prefer to believe that by nature alone we want everyone to succeed.
Hitler could have killed more. Stalin could have nuked half the planet. Chinese politicians could destroy 90% of their population by the end of the week if they really wanted to. They don't.

I just want peace. Unfortunately, people will die, whatever happens (not specifying the affairs with Google).
No offence intended.

 

[imageraiter]

Some will put up the argument 'kill one save a thousand'. I've heard people argue that what the Chinese government did was necessary to keep order among a billion people. Everything is a sacrifice, and whether or not it's worth it depends on your own set of morales. I haven't studied Chinese history enough to properly voice my opinion on this specific matter.

Actually they used to do that in Ancient China. They would kill a man (even an innocent one) just to make an example out of it.

Source: My family is Chinese

 

[neiroatopelcc]

I don't understand why china demands that google follow their rules when china disregards western rules and regulations (think brand and product copying including but not limited to footwear, clothes, cars and electronics).

 

[akula2]

China is getting highly insecure and impatient. They are more scared of getting themselves exposed because of Google. Now they are hell bent on *driving out* Google from their mainland. If Microsoft really takes the place of China then it's the silliest move ever made by the Redmond. I wonder how US gonna take this Chinese nuisance in the coming months else most of the Gmail data is on stake for sure

 

[Guest]

So? Stalin was human, Hitler was human. Chinese politicians (past and current) are human too. Your point is ...?

stalin is dead now. he's not important anymore. will. Hitler war against the world and kills millions by his action. but finally he is gone too.
oh yea. you forget to that GEROGE W BUSH is human too. senting thousand of american boys over iraq shooting turkey.