News China to spend $55 billion on R&D in 2025 — Semiconductor, AI and quantum computing fields to benefit

[Admin]

China set to inject $55 billion in research and development of fundamental technologies and innovating enterprises.

China to spend $55 billion on R&D in 2025 — Semiconductor, AI and quantum computing fields to benefit : Read more

 

[joeer77]

They are going to be buying old ass equipment. US export restrictions limit semiconductor equipment suppliers to technology supporting 14nm nodes and older. Perhaps they should improve US/China relations and get export restrictions lifted.

 

[rluker5]

Remember the CHIPS act?
Has half of this one year allocation made it out to businesses over the 3? years since it was passed?

 

[bit_user]

Remember the CHIPS act?
Has half of this one year allocation made it out to businesses over the 3? years since it was passed?

Isn't it based on the recipients hitting certain milestones, so they can't just take the money and pocket it?

 

[aldaia]

They are going to be buying old ass equipment. US export restrictions limit semiconductor equipment suppliers to technology supporting 14nm nodes and older. Perhaps they should improve US/China relations and get export restrictions lifted.

Nope, they should improve Netherlands/China relations. 😉

ASML, a Dutch company, is currently the world's only supplier of extreme ultraviolet (EUV) photolithography equipment. Export of these products to China was blocked by the Dutch government several years ago, but considering the worsening relations between the current US administration and EU, who knows.

 

[ottonis]

I read somewhere that total amount of money spent (government and private combined) on scientific R&D is around 700 billion dollars for both US and China, with some slight advantage for the USA. European countries do also spend a lot of funding into R&D, and this is actually a great thing. By the way: more and better competition usually accelerates scientific and technological advancements, so every Dollar invested in the US-based R&D will indirectly facilitate R&D ellsewhere in the world - and vice versa.

 

[bit_user]

I read somewhere that total amount of money spent (government and private combined) on scientific R&D

Public funding is very different than private, though. Private funding goes towards end-stage research and applied sciences. You need to complement that with public funding on basic research, or else the pipeline will run dry.

So, I think it's misleading to add them together, like that.

 

[FITCamaro]

China set to inject $55 billion in research and development of fundamental technologies and innovating enterprises.

China to spend $55 billion on R&D in 2025 — Semiconductor, AI and quantum computing fields to benefit : Read more

Most will go to paying their hackers to steal technology.

 

[rluker5]

Isn't it based on the recipients hitting certain milestones, so they can't just take the money and pocket it?

Yes: https://thehill.com/opinion/4517470-dei-killed-the-chips-act/
But the bottom line is institutions are receiving much more in incentives in China than the US because our gov is incompetent.

 

[spongiemaster]

Nope, they should improve Netherlands/China relations. 😉

ASML, a Dutch company, is currently the world's only supplier of extreme ultraviolet (EUV) photolithography equipment. Export of these products to China was blocked by the Dutch government several years ago, but considering the worsening relations between the current US administration and EU, who knows.

ASML bought their EUV technology from a US company, Silicon Valley Group, who is still there R&D branch for this technology. SVG is based out of California, so ASML can't just pretend like the US doesn't exist no matter how bad the politics are between the two countries.

 

[aldaia]

ASML bought their EUV technology from a US company, Silicon Valley Group, who is still there R&D branch for this technology. SVG is based out of California, so ASML can't just pretend like the US doesn't exist no matter how bad the politics are between the two countries.

ASML bought SVG, not the technology, but the whole company, back in 2001 for 1.6 billion. Not sure if EUV was much advanced back then.

https://www.eetimes.com/asml-acquires-svg-becomes-largest-litho-supplier/

ASML export controls are imposed by the Dutch government. So far Netherlands, under US pressure, aligned export controls with US rules.

No Carrots, Just Sticks: US Bullying Allies on China Chips

The US may tighten export controls on European and Asian companies to prevent China from leveraging old chip technology. It is a bad idea.

cepa.org

Make US-EU relations bad enough (e.g. by imposing exorbitant import tarifs) and EU /Netherlands my decide to ignore US rules. Actually, as a consequence of the previous Trump era, EU passed a new law against cohercion by third countries: https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/enforcement-and-protection/protecting-against-coercion_en
In order to protect ASML, the Netherlands could push the EU to enforce it. This will be bad for everybody, like import tarifs are, but is the kind of things that happen when you treat your allies like enemies.

 

[spongiemaster]

ASML bought SVG, not the technology, but the whole company, back in 2001 for 1.6 billion. Not sure if EUV was much advanced back then.

https://www.eetimes.com/asml-acquires-svg-becomes-largest-litho-supplier/

No one calls Bentley or Lamborghini German auto makers even though they are owned by Volkswagen. They're still British and Italian auto makers. ASML bought the technology from SVG by acquiring the US company.

SVG is still based out of California today. If the Dutch want to cut off diplomatic relations with the US, they are going to be in a really awkward position if they have to relocate a whole lot of their EUV R&D team who probably aren't interested in moving out of the US. ASML purchased multiple other foreign companies on their way to EUV production including receiving a $4 billion investment from Intel of all companies to help accelerate the research. Trying to act like the Dutch came up with this on their own is comical at best.