News China's first 6nm domestic GPU with purported RTX 4060-like performance has powered on

[Admin]

Chinese GPU startup Lisuan Technology has announced via its official WeChat account that its G100 6nm graphics card has been powered on.

China's first 6nm domestic GPU with purported RTX 4060-like performance has powered on : Read more

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

I highly doubt the company’s assertions…

 

[usertests]

This secret trick will allow you to beat the 4060: Make a GPU 90% as fast, but give it double the VRAM.

 

[Eximo]

And on paper the Intel A770 should be a beast, it isn't. Seems like more of the Moorethreads stuff. A GPU with fine looking stats, but little real world performance. Driver maturity.

 

[hotaru251]

I highly doubt the company’s assertions…

i wouldnt anymore.
the 60 tier now are effectively 50 tier gpu's. They are AWFUL value. China being able to catch up to that isnt THAT far of a fetch.

 

[A Stoner]

At least I saw some skepticism on the RTX 4060 performance claim. I had started to doubt your ability to report on Chinese propaganda without a bias towards trust of China. This assuages that doubt to a degree.

 

[A Stoner]

i wouldnt anymore.
the 60 tier now are effectively 50 tier gpu's. They are AWFUL value. China being able to catch up to that isnt THAT far of a fetch.

60 tier are 50 tier performance at 70 or 80 tier prices.

 

[bit_user]

And on paper the Intel A770 should be a beast, it isn't. Seems like more of the Moorethreads stuff. A GPU with fine looking stats, but little real world performance. Driver maturity.

But Intel and MooreThreads at least started with mature IP, as the foundation. Intel extended their iGPU architecture and MooreThreads licensed Imagination IP that was an extension of their prior phone/tablet GPUs. Both should not only include a tried & tested foundation for graphics, but also some firmware and tools for it.

To do absolutely everything, from scratch, is a monumental undertaking. And then to have it be remotely competitive would take further years of refinement, as your examples of Intel and the MT S80 showed us.

 

[Geef]

Tomshardware should make a page showing stories from Chinese companies that 'say' their newest chip/device 'may' be best performer. Each story can have a big GREEN ✅check mark or a large RED X depending on whether it was true or false.
Hey, for all we know it 'may' just be a bunch of green check marks! 😜

 

[Pemalite]

It's the software side that will be their undoing.
Chinese manufacturers just don't support their products long term, let alone with competent software support.

AMD, Nvidia and Intel Drivers are monolithic with millions and millions of lines of code and are actually larger and more complex than even the Windows kernel.

I wish them luck... But like we saw with Intel (Arc), Matrox (Parhelia), S3 (Chrome), Power VR (Kyro) if you aren't willing to invest in your software to build compatibility and performance, you won't be able to compete with nVidia and AMD.

Intel has come a long way, but it's drivers still have a ton of quirks. I.E. I get a Red Sky in Crysis on my Arc GPU... A fresh Chinese entrant into the market have a tall hill to climb,

 

[das_stig]

G100 provides performance similar to the GeForce RTX 4060. This claim generates significant scepticism (Real English), as the GeForce RTX 4060

More anti-China bashing, for first card, even if a poor performing 4060, it's an impressive achievement and let's look to the future, a Chinese competitor to NV/AMD in CPU/GPUs is good for the consumer.

 

[bit_user]

G100 provides performance similar to the GeForce RTX 4060. This claim generates significant scepticism (Real English), as the GeForce RTX 4060

More anti-China bashing,

It's just being realistic. MooreThreads promised the sun, the moon, and the stars. They were late and woefully under-performing relative to their stated goals. This new GPU claims to be from scratch, which involves much more effort than what MooreThreads did, and is made by a startup. Simple logic says that if this new company tries to climb an even bigger mountain with the same or less resources, they're not setting themselves up for success.

If they actually succeed in achieving their stated goal, I'm sure they'll get well-deserved praise. For now, it's entirely fair to view their claims in a skeptical light.

for first card, even if a poor performing 4060, it's an impressive achievement and let's look to the future,

So, you're already giving them credit, them before there's even a shred of proof? That seems unwise.

You accused the author of "anti-China bashing", but their stance is rooted in the history of what GPUs we've seen from Chinese upstarts as well as what we know is involved in successfully launching a GPU. Your stance seems rooted in nothing but wishes.

 

[nookoool]

MT was a flop especially with game support. I think these companies need to at least show some early video gameplay if they make big promises.

 

[das_stig]

It's just being realistic. MooreThreads promised the sun, the moon, and the stars. They were late and woefully under-performing relative to their stated goals. This new GPU claims to be from scratch, which involves much more effort than what MooreThreads did, and is made by a startup. Simple logic says that if this new company tries to climb an even bigger mountain with the same or less resources, they're not setting themselves up for success.

If they actually succeed in achieving their stated goal, I'm sure they'll get well-deserved praise. For now, it's entirely fair to view their claims in a skeptical light.


So, you're already giving them credit, them before there's even a shred of proof? That seems unwise.

You accused the author of "anti-China bashing", but their stance is rooted in the history of what GPUs we've seen from Chinese upstarts as well as what we know is involved in successfully launching a GPU. Your stance seems rooted in nothing but wishes.

Incorrect, giving them the benefit of doubt until proof exist either way. Glad your not on a criminal jury, you would have everybody guilty until innocent, but being from MAGAland theme park, it's becoming the norm !

 

[bit_user]

Incorrect, giving them the benefit of doubt until proof exist either way.

That's up to you, but it's definitely a leap of faith when there's zero track record to support that and plenty of evidence (see MTT S80 and Intel Alchemist) that this stuff is hard and takes a lot of resources, which a little startup wouldn't have.

Glad your not on a criminal jury, you would have everybody guilty until innocent,

In the game of speculation, the best strategy is to look at which way the evidence and fact pattern points and then make our best guess. That's what you do, if you want to maximize your likelihood of being right.

In the criminal justice system, the system is biased not towards reaching the right answer, but towards minimizing false convictions. That's why the burden of proof is placed entirely on the prosecutor.

If you'd given MTT the benefit of the doubt, then you'd be stuck with a piece of hot garbage, right now. In general, the ethos of sites like Toms is to test products precisely because manufacturers' claims have long proven unreliable.

 

[newtechldtech]

a Chinese competitor to NV/AMD in CPU/GPUs is good for the consumer.

Will never happen , look at Huawei success ... and then downfall out of US sanctions . The same will happen once Chinese GPU's start challenging US products . Windows sanctions , no drivers allowed , etc , the same Google did to Huawei.

 

[bit_user]

Windows sanctions , no drivers allowed , etc , the same Google did to Huawei.

Uh, they have like HarmonyOS, though. Just like they're trying to rid themselves of dependencies on western hardware, they're also becoming more self-sufficient on software.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Uh, they have like HarmonyOS, though. Just like they're trying to rid themselves of dependencies on western hardware, they're also becoming more self-sufficient on software.

I read somewhere that HarmonyOS was a “fake it till you make it” OS in that they heavily relied on Android and slowly replaced the android code with their own replacement code over time. Kind of similar to a competitor reverse engineering their IP.
So in essence, yes, Huawei can claim they have a homegrown OS now, but it was entirely reliant on using and reverse engineering Android to do it.

 

[bit_user]

I read somewhere that HarmonyOS was a “fake it till you make it” OS in that they heavily relied on Android and slowly replaced the android code with their own replacement code over time.

Initially, it was exactly that. More of a PR exercise, where the real news might have been the strategic shift in direction, rather than at the level of underlying technical differences. Over time, it's that direction which matters. I definitely don't doubt that they want to eliminate their dependence on western software. As a side benefit, the more of their software ecosystem is homegrown, the more control they can exert over its users.

The key development I'm waiting to see is when they start pushing HarmonyOS (or similar) into foreign markets. I think they could pretty quickly dominate markets outside of Europe and North America.

 

[newtechldtech]

Uh, they have like HarmonyOS, though. Just like they're trying to rid themselves of dependencies on western hardware, they're also becoming more self-sufficient on software.

True , but they wont be any threat to US products worldwide , and they wont even sell worldwide... No company would risk take the OS transfer world wide ... let them have their own OS ...