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CXMT reportedly candidly violates U.S. sanctions with its GAA-based 18nm DRAM process technology with 4F^2 cell design that it presented at IEDM.

China's memory maker CXMT reportedly violates U.S. export rules with its 18nm 3D DRAM — chipmaker blatantly presented new tech at industry conferen... : Read more

 

[Pierce2623]

This will be the same as the “7nm” Kirin 9000s that can’t perform equally to 5 year old core designs on TSMC 10nm, even though it actually has a brand new core design.

 

[setx]

This will be the same as the “7nm” Kirin 9000s that can’t perform equally to 5 year old core designs on TSMC 10nm, even though it actually has a brand new core design.

Why does it matter that something perform equally or not?
China is making great progress and that's the most important.

 

[phead128]

This will be the same as the “7nm” Kirin 9000s that can’t perform equally to 5 year old core designs on TSMC 10nm, even though it actually has a brand new core design.

The original goal of US sanctions was 0% yield on sub-14nm nodes by stopping all shipment of DUV equipment, on top of EUV lithography.

So any yield >0% on performance better than 14nm is a win for China.

All this proves that export controls do not work and only accelerate China's development in semiconductors.

 

[JamesJones44]

The politically slant on these articles are getting ridiculous.

First of, a country that makes something better than what outside companies are allowed to sell to the country in questions does not do the following: violates, defy, get around, bust, etc. sanctions/export rules. A company would have to sell to the country in question equipment or the band items in order to violate an export rule. A country making an item itself violates nothing (unless the country applies the rule to itself).

 

[ThomasKinsley]

This will be the same as the “7nm” Kirin 9000s that can’t perform equally to 5 year old core designs on TSMC 10nm, even though it actually has a brand new core design.

You have it reversed. The TSMC design is 5nm and the 9000S produces a good showing, if benchmarks are to be believed, despite being 7nm, especially in AnTuTu10 and GeekBench 6. The TSMC is also only a 3 year design. Only in the GPU is the 9000S weak. Battery life is yet to be seen but it is fair to say it is probably worse for the 9000S, being 7nm. Still a very good result for a domestic production.

GeekBench 6	Kirin 9000S	Kirin 9000 TSMC
Asset compression	172.6 MB/sec	146.1 MB/sec
HTML 5 Browser	125.5 pages/sec	90.8 pages/sec
PDF Renderer	136.4 Mpixels/sec	113.9 Mpixels/sec
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Background blur	11.8 images/sec	11.8 images/sec
Photo processing	45.1 images/sec	29.7 images/sec
Ray tracing	5.15 Mpixels/sec	4.01 Mpixels/sec

AnTuTu10	Kirin 9000S	Kirin 9000 TSMC
CPU	279677	242171
GPU	200982	315801
Memory	225491	155272
UX	194615	188275
Total score	900765	892502

 

[phead128]

These politically slant on these articles are getting ridiculous.

First of, a country that makes something better than what outside companies are allowed to sell to the country in questions does not do the following: violates, defy, get around, bust, etc. sanctions/export rules. A company would have to sell to the country in question equipment or the band items in order to violate an export rule. A country making itself violates nothing (unless the country applies the rule to itself).

Yes, importers cannot "violate" US export controls, only exporters can.
Also, US export controls cannot "ban" the laws of physics operating in China, so if they making an indigenous breakthrough, it's not a "violation" of export controls, it's application of laws of physics which US cannot "ban" unless it does hogwarts magic wizardy.

 

[stargem]

Another blatantly incorrect article, and this time I had to comment. A Chinese company CANNOT violate US law, because US law doesn't apply outside US. All US can do is prevent US companies from exporting tech to China, which is what a sanction is. So if the sanction was violated, it was done by a US company, not Chinese.

 

[d0x360]

CXMT reportedly candidly violates U.S. sanctions with its GAA-based 18nm DRAM process technology with 4F^2 cell design that it presented at IEDM.

China's memory maker CXMT reportedly violates U.S. export rules with its 18nm 3D DRAM — chipmaker blatantly presented new tech at industry conferen... : Read more

Actually it was just discovered that it wasn't what they claimed and in fact made by TSMC and not with any design that came from China or anyone related.

Once again they prove they rely on theft and not actual innovation.

 

[purpleduggy]

I wonder what the US will do when China creates export rules for US companies. Think its unlikely? Think again. Free trade is crucial or you risk becoming the victim of the same sanctions you imposed on others. All this does is increase prices for the consumer. US and China should work together and build utopia.