News China's Moore Threads polishes homegrown CUDA alternative — MUSA supports porting CUDA code using Musify toolkit

[Admin]

Moore Threads' MUSA shows China's intent to break away from CUDA with its own GPU programming environments.

China's Moore Threads polishes homegrown CUDA alternative — MUSA supports porting CUDA code using Musify toolkit : Read more

 

[bit_user]

Notice how it parallels CUDA, exactly like AMD's HIP.

https://rocm.docs.amd.com/projects/HIP/en/latest/how-to/hip_porting_guide.html#library-equivalents
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I'd bet money on MUSA being a HIP ripoff, if not even a direct fork (HIP is open source).

BTW, MooreThreads promised to release MUSA what... 2, maybe 3 years ago?

 

[Mindstab Thrull]

Chinese tech autonomy is definitely going to be interesting. The only concern I really have at the end of the day (or maybe decade?) is compatibility with other systems. China, as far as I'm aware, still wants to be part of the global society - unlike at least the perception of some other nations who want to stay behind closed doors.
But credit where it's due: they've made huge technological strides in a relatively short span. Even if they've "stolen" (pre-empting some expected comments) some of it, they still have to understand enough about what they have to produce other relevant materials.
Definitely living in interesting times.

 

[hotaru251]

Even if they've "stolen" (pre-empting some expected comments) some of it, they still have to understand enough about what they have to produce other relevant materials.

which isnt hard to do if your people are taught in the field and its your thing.

if best chef in world makes a recipe for it then even 1star chef could as they understand how to cook even if someone who deosnt cook can't.

Also idc how its done the world as a whole needs alternatives to CUDA. Its effective monopoly has only harmed the industry.

 

[bit_user]

But credit where it's due: they've made huge technological strides in a relatively short span.

Moore Threads' GPUs are based on hardware IP they licensed from Imagination Technologies.

Much of the software support certainly could be based on open source implementations for AMD and Intel GPUs. And, as I mentioned, MUSA could be largely based on AMD's HIP. Nothing is illegal about any of this, so long as they abide by those license terms and provide proper credit. This part will be interesting to watch.

 

[fiyz]

Chinese tech autonomy is definitely going to be interesting. The only concern I really have at the end of the day (or maybe decade?) is compatibility with other systems. China, as far as I'm aware, still wants to be part of the global society - unlike at least the perception of some other nations who want to stay behind closed doors.
But credit where it's due: they've made huge technological strides in a relatively short span. Even if they've "stolen" (pre-empting some expected comments) some of it, they still have to understand enough about what they have to produce other relevant materials.
Definitely living in interesting times.

I was thinking something similar, if only to make their encrypted government communication harder to break. As China makes more and more of its tech at home, they will have the opportunity to develop their own "flavor" that isn't easily compatible with western systems. But will they make ternary computers?

 

[bit_user]

But will they make ternary computers?

Could be RISC-20 ?
: D

But, why stop at base-3? QLC NAND is already base-16 and PLC is base-32. And while GDDR-7 uses base-3, PCIe 6.0 uses base-4.

 

[Mindstab Thrull]

Could be RISC-20 ?
: D

But, why stop at base-3? QLC NAND is already base-16 and PLC is base-32. And while GDDR-7 uses base-3, PCIe 6.0 uses base-4.

Base 3 because 4 is unlucky in China...?