China's Tsinghua Threatens To Disrupt Semiconductor Industry, Building $30 Billion DRAM And NAND Fab

[Fox_2_]

Go GLUT!!! Lower prices is GOOD. Shortages are bad.

 

[sam1275tom]

Why would you instantly assume it's rubbish?

Because I have a Chinese friend and myself also used to live there for years, I know exactly what I'm saying.

Just because I'm American doesn't mean I know everything about all American products.

Anyway, HTC has a pretty good reputation. I don't own any of their products, but they've made some Google Nexus products, and those have a good reputation. They also make something called the Vive, which seems pretty popular.

I think it's naive and dangerous to assume Chinese products will always be inferior. Japanese products were once thought of in this way, then Taiwanese and Korean. Now, TSMC and Samsung are the leading semiconductor foundries. By some accounts, Samsung has even caught up with Intel.

Also, consider that AMD, Nvidia, (both for like 10 years) and many other major US tech companies have engineering offices in China. So, many of the products you perceive as being from the US or elsewhere probably had some Chinese engineering work on them. This also means their workforce has been getting trained up.

Finally, Chinese academics are getting large numbers of research papers published in international journals, and many top-teir academic conferences have been hosted in China, for years. Going forward, there's less and less basis for thinking the US or Europe has a technical lead over China.

I just want to clear one thing here, by saying "China" I mean mainland only, that didn't included Taiwan, Taiwan's product are good.

 

[epdm2be]

"It's funny how there always seem to happen a "shortage" of materials when the product's price is going down...Always...Memory, HDD and now SSD...Isnt it funny!?"

Some call this "free markets" but it's actually a greed driven economy.

The really ironic thing is that nowadays all consumer product manufacturing is in the hands of the largest communist state in the world and commissioned by companies that are supposed to despise communism.

 

[lsatenstein]

The two great powers in the world are the USA and China. The USA controls the chip manufacturing through its ownership or partnership with all chip factories.
If ever China and the USA (with Trump or after) have a disagreement eg. economic war, China wants to be fully independent of the USA's control of the market.

China also has 4 times the population of the USA, and with the IOT (Internet of Things), their own internal demand would or could be met by the factory they are building.

That factory will also allow them to produce an alternative to the Intel/AMD family of cpu chips.

 

[shrapnel_indie]

The two great powers in the world are the USA and China. The USA controls the chip manufacturing through its ownership or partnership with all chip factories.
If ever China and the USA (with Trump or after) have a disagreement eg. economic war, China wants to be fully independent of the USA's control of the market.

China also has 4 times the population of the USA, and with the IOT (Internet of Things), their own internal demand would or could be met by the factory they are building.

That factory will also allow them to produce an alternative to the Intel/AMD family of cpu chips.

There's a ton of China's population (well, the percentage isn't all that big in many ways considering the size of population) that live in rural communities,, as they have for centuries. While modern conveniences have hit their radar, they have not the means to use or obtain them.

 

[Jesse_78]

Intel has five or more new generations of tech already on it's shelves, waiting for timed roll-outs over the next ten years. Not only is this unconscionable greed, but it stymies fair competition and further tech advancement by other companies. They have CPU's some six generations ahead of their current offerings just sitting there.

 

[Jesse_78]

Intel has five or more new generations of tech already on it's shelves, waiting for timed roll-outs over the next ten years. Not only is this unconscionable greed, but it stymies fair competition and further tech advancement. They have CPU's some six generations ahead of their current offerings just sitting there.

 

[bit_user]

Intel has five or more new generations of tech already on it's shelves, waiting for timed roll-outs over the next ten years. Not only is this unconscionable greed, but it stymies fair competition and further tech advancement by other companies. They have CPU's some six generations ahead of their current offerings just sitting there.

This is an interesting claim. Can you cite a source, please?

The reason I'm skeptical is that they can't really design a chip without detailed knowledge of the process. And accounts are that they've hit problems with the 10 nm process, which is why they added the Coffee Lake generation as another 14 nm.

http://semiaccurate.com/2016/12/28/coffee-lake-says-dire-things-intels-10nm-problems/

And with that many problems at 10 nm, it seems unlikely they're any further along with 7 nm. Plus, as that article points out, they haven't even finished the roll out of their Purley platform, which was originally slated for 2015. All of this suggests that instead of being so far ahead of the game, they're actually continuing to fall behind.

 

[g-unit1111]

Hey guys let's stay on topic here and try to avoid the GRAPES discussion, OK?

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2258513/policy-grapes.html

 

[bit_user]

Hey guys let's stay on topic here and try to avoid the GRAPES discussion, OK?

I]http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2258513/policy-grapes.html

I understand and agree with the policy, but tech doesn't happen in a vacuum. Tech is sometimes intrinsically interesting, but it's also sometimes interesting to see how it's used as a tool or a stage for strategic moves by big players (be they companies or countries).

As this is one such case, we can't discuss this while completely avoiding any mention of economics or political systems. So, I hope we can look to your gentle guidance on where the appropriate boundaries lie.

Thank you for your service to this community.