News Chinese chipmaker Loongson claims its 16-core 3C6000 CPU matches Intel's 16-core Xeon Silver 4314

[Admin]

Loongson's 16-core 3C6000 datacenter CPU offers performance comparable to that of Intel's Xeon Silver 4314 'Ice Lake' processor, so it will still be around four years behind market leaders.

Chinese chipmaker Loongson claims its 16-core 3C6000 CPU matches Intel's 16-core Xeon Silver 4314 : Read more

 

[Geef]

I wish to officially claim my Hamster 001 is able to spin his wheel fast enough to offer performance comparable to that of Intel's Xeon Silver 4314 'Ice Lake' processor.

The word 'CLAIM' doesn't mean much. Especially when... I won't say it.

 

[Neilbob]

'We don't know when these processors will come to market, though they shouldn't arrive earlier than in the second half of 2024.'

Going to be pernickety again, reluctantly (not at all reluctantly).

We are already in the second half of 2024.

Aren't we? I've not lost almost a whole month in the twisted depths of my mind, have I?

Not much to say about the actual claim. It is what it is.

 

[nookoool]

I wish to officially claim my Hamster 001 is able to spin his wheel fast enough to offer performance comparable to that of Intel's Xeon Silver 4314 'Ice Lake' processor.

The word 'CLAIM' doesn't mean much. Especially when... I won't say it.

Buy one and run a benchmark?

 

[artk2219]

Loongson's 16-core 3C6000 datacenter CPU offers performance comparable to that of Intel's Xeon Silver 4314 'Ice Lake' processor, so it will still be around four years behind market leaders.

Chinese chipmaker Loongson claims its 16-core 3C6000 CPU matches Intel's 16-core Xeon Silver 4314 : Read more

The whole thing with being equivalent to a CPU that 4 years old, is that its old enough that you could pickup a server thats running with it for a pretty good price, used. Which means that fact would need to be at least be somewhat reflected in your new pricing. While this is great for China and their quest for self sufficiency, it makes for a hard sell to anyone else in the world. Honestly it even makes it a hard sale for anyone in China that can get their hands on used servers, which are being sent there by the tons daily anyway. Regardless, it's a good achievement, just not necessarily good enough to get amazing sales figures on.

 

[tamalero]

The whole thing with being equivalent to a CPU that 4 years old, is that its old enough that you could pickup a server thats running with it for a pretty good price, used. Which means that fact would need to be at least be somewhat reflected in your new pricing. While this is great for China and their quest for self sufficiency, it makes for a hard sell to anyone else in the world. Honestly it even makes it a hard sale for anyone in China that can get their hands on used servers, which are being sent there by the tons daily anyway. Regardless, it's a good achievement, just not necessarily good enough to get amazing sales figures on.

I think the main point is how they have been improving power and efficiency at an insane rate.
Remember it was.. what? one year and half and the chip had a Kaby Lake performance levels per core?

 

[derekullo]

It's not the size of your cache, but how you use it!

 

[Nyara]

The whole thing with being equivalent to a CPU that 4 years old, is that its old enough that you could pickup a server thats running with it for a pretty good price, used. Which means that fact would need to be at least be somewhat reflected in your new pricing. While this is great for China and their quest for self sufficiency, it makes for a hard sell to anyone else in the world. Honestly it even makes it a hard sale for anyone in China that can get their hands on used servers, which are being sent there by the tons daily anyway. Regardless, it's a good achievement, just not necessarily good enough to get amazing sales figures on.

The worry is not much the used CPU's price, Loongson can easily sell for cheaper since they use SMIC cache & wafers, without taxes, and no shipment costs, and still just using spammeable DUV.

The concern is more that Intel will sell for pennies their 10nm+++++ in the coming years, this is common knowledge, as Intel is forced to profit up to invest back into their EUV nodes, currently on minimal production.

Loongson is mostly a research team, that the Chinese goverment can easily scale up into mass production if they see fit, but it is just not worth to do that if they cannot be competitive with Raptor's Lake or Bartlett's Lake, or their server equivalents, yet. But this is the closest they got ever to that goal, so it is another important milestone for them.

 

[Amdlova]

With so low price on used broadwell xeons they need to build a new chipset around of these xeons ... think you can put 4 sockets or even more on a single board. Scrap wars

 

[nookoool]

The whole thing with being equivalent to a CPU that 4 years old, is that its old enough that you could pickup a server thats running with it for a pretty good price, used. Which means that fact would need to be at least be somewhat reflected in your new pricing. While this is great for China and their quest for self sufficiency, it makes for a hard sell to anyone else in the world. Honestly it even makes it a hard sale for anyone in China that can get their hands on used servers, which are being sent there by the tons daily anyway. Regardless, it's a good achievement, just not necessarily good enough to get amazing sales figures on.

I don't think the Chinese CPU will be free market efficient until a future date either. However, the government has mandate all government , military, edu, critical infrastructure related industries and state own enterprises need to move to Chinese tech. Private companies like tencent, alibaba, etc are also hedging part of their IT using Chinese tech as well since they NOW understand that the US can/will undermine them at some point via tech sanctions.

The main thing affecting Loongson sales is it's odd ball architecture as other Chinese vendors are x86/Arm. At the moment, they either need to have tools/runtime/software well ported or be able to run x86/arm translation efficiently.