News Chinese chipmaker's new 7nm CPUs reportedly outperform Intel's Raptor Lake — Loongson adopts "tock-tock-tick" strategy to close the gap with Intel

[circadia]

Thank you Tom's Hardware for accurate and unbiased reporting on China technology and innovation. so many sinophobes, racists, and xenophobic ILLOGICAL arguments and hypocrisy made in the comments while western countries have been stealing IP, technology, and inventions for millenia (through both violent and nonviolent means) and never get called out for it. China will overtake the US in the silicon business. it's not an if but when at this point. 💪

Lmao western arrogance never fails to amaze me

All these claims about theft, spying and what not with not only no proof but the source being American media 😂 huawei showed us how free market usa truely is.

We all know usa and its cronies are desperately trying to keep its lead in scientific fields and its rapidly losing ground, not to mention the biggest American innovations were imported from elsewhere to begin with, so all these comments about *stealing work* is highly hypocritical. You folk will keep ranting here meanwhile china has been able to exponentially improve its designs gen on gen. Compared to early 2000s the gap is much much closer now.

Ipc tests showed their last architecture being faster than zen+ clock for clock. Thats a far cry from being orders of magnitude behind the best western chips just a decade ago.

can anyone, any mods, please kick those trolls/wumaos out? bunch of ad hominem + straw man arguments + making IPC test results seem like they're the decisive factor or something.

 

[circadia]

LMAO, I'll believe when I see it reviewed and torn down by a non-Chinese reviewer. This is coming from a person who generally thinks Chinese CPU companies can eventually reach near parity with Intel/AMD. This is probably some hype piece that leaves out it taking obscene amount of power, tons of cores, or some use of western IP in order to reach those gigantic claims. The amount of progress made in such a short time makes me really doubt the authenticity, especially when Chinese GPU companies are still about a decade behind (although the situation between CPU and GPU development might not match up very well).

^ Exactly. This is nothing more than a hype piece. Put up the #s.

https://chipsandcheese.com/p/running-spec-cpu2017-on-chinese-cpus so far... even the best one, the 3A6000, can't even compare to 6th generation Intel.
https://chipsandcheese.com/p/loongson-3a6000-a-star-among-chinese-cpus but then, there's this that says that it's "close to Zen (2)" in a few parts, something something. Commendable, nonetheless Loongson's claims about matching Raptor Lake is dubious at best.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

I didn't write "Taiwan", I said "China". As for the TSMC factories, you're confusing "yield" and "efficiency" - which, on a factory that has yet to reach full operational capacity, means... Not much, really, because while yield do impact efficiency, if you need twice the number of workers and 4 times the man-hours to reach that rate, efficiency as a whole isn't exactly much better.

Oh, you were talking about West Taiwan? My bad.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Thank you Tom's Hardware for accurate and unbiased reporting on China technology and innovation. so many sinophobes, racists, and xenophobic ILLOGICAL arguments and hypocrisy made in the comments while western countries have been stealing IP, technology, and inventions for millenia (through both violent and nonviolent means) and never get called out for it. China will overtake the US in the silicon business. it's not an if but when at this point. 💪

When you say China, you mean West Taiwan right? AKA mainland Taiwan?

 

[mitch074]

Oh, you were talking about West Taiwan? My bad.

Sorry, I'm French - my country recognized the RPC as an actual country 60 years ago - 4 years before the UN did. I have a tendency to recognize the will of the majority.

 

[mitch074]

How well does a BYD compare to a Tesla in an actual qualitative analysis, though? Just because a Chinese company sells more cars in China than Tesla doesn’t mean they’re better. Loongson has actually sold hundreds of thousands of their garbage chips in China too. It doesn’t make them better than an AMD. Also the US got to space on 1950s technology and designed the current ISS with 1980s technology. I think you’re overestimating the technology required to get to space. It requires monetary resources much more so than the newest tech.

Well, I can answer that, as I drove Tesla S and X and I own a BYD Dolphin from 2024.
Range-wise : there's a reason Tesla Model 3 Standard range use BYD batteries : a bit less range but far more durable.
Road worthiness : frankly, they're equivalent. BYD Dolphin for Europe has upgraded suspensions, and they're now all built to Europe's standards. They're no Dacia, Citroën nor Audi, but they're a notch above US cars with independent 4-wheel suspension. OK, LingLong tires suck, but those can easily be replaced.
Finishing : US-made Tesla are... underwhelming. Chinese-made ones have good building quality. BYD is Chinese, do the math.
Features : Tesla are more modern, with everything centered on the single huge screen. BYD have a small screen for driver comfort and a largish one for the rest - it can be switched off by voice, VERY nice at night. Tesla have more settings and games, BYD is far more spartan in comparison - still, enough to really fine-tune your car to your taste. Self-driving is limited to level 2, but it's actually usable on small, dirty countryside roads.

Final verdict : is BYD better than Tesla ? No. Is it better on price ? HELL YEAH !!! Performance per feature per dollar VS Tesla ? BYD does win.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Sorry, I'm French - my country recognized the RPC as an actual country 60 years ago - 4 years before the UN did. I have a tendency to recognize the will of the majority.

Did you mean PRC? And can you really call the subjugation of a billion people under a single party state “the will of the people” if there is no choice involved?

 

[TCA_ChinChin]

https://chipsandcheese.com/p/running-spec-cpu2017-on-chinese-cpus so far... even the best one, the 3A6000, can't even compare to 6th generation Intel.
https://chipsandcheese.com/p/loongson-3a6000-a-star-among-chinese-cpus but then, there's this that says that it's "close to Zen (2)" in a few parts, something something. Commendable, nonetheless Loongson's claims about matching Raptor Lake is dubious at best.

I'd say that it compares quite well with 6th Gen Intel. In fact, I'd say that Loongson has gotten to a point where it falls around Zen 1/2 and 6/7 Gen Intel on a hardware design level. It has certain aspects that are quite modern, approaching Zen 2 (branch predictor) with other portions falling behind even 6th gen intel (memory controller). I believe the second chipasandcheese article provides significantly more info for the actual core architecture, which feels actually feels like a huge leap. Benchmarks and software optimization still need a lot of work and they're certainly still about 5-6 generations behind the top tier Intel/AMD architectures, but its been good progress.

However, I agree that their current claims are embarassing really. If they were more honest with their marketing and leaned more into the substantial hardware improvements, I would've been the first to congratulate them.

 

[Nyara]

I believe the claim: they are not comparing themselves to the mid-range or top-range, but to the entry-level. I can believe them in offering a comparable CPU to an i3-12100F or Ryzen 5 5500, which are plenty for non-power users, if anything Intel N100 products are being sold in the millions still, and many are happy with them.

Sure, this does not sounds amazing, but this is the first time they would offer a product that can actually be sold in the market in some extent, which means they are indeed on catch up trajectory.

For the Chinese goverment itself it would mean that they can afford a full sanction war and embargo on 2025 and still have access to modern computing, even if on the modest end.

 

[mitch074]

Did you mean PRC? And can you really call the subjugation of a billion people under a single party state “the will of the people” if there is no choice involved?

Well, Chinese people are rather practical : the CCP brought them modernity, health, food, and general happiness - if it works, they'll keep it. But this is getting political, so I'll stop here.

 

[upsetkiller]

can anyone, any mods, please kick those trolls/wumaos out? bunch of ad hominem + straw man arguments + making IPC test results seem like they're the decisive factor or something.

There is nothing you can do to turn this website into a reddit like echo chamber buddy. Nothing you can do to supress other people's views either.

 

[circadia]

There is nothing you can do to turn this website into a reddit like echo chamber buddy. Nothing you can do to supress other people's views either.

lolol, every time I hear someone complaining about echo chambers on reddit, that someone is always already in another echo chamber from somewhere. Are you sure you're not stuck in one? one of you literally even pulled the "racist" and "unbiased" card. Like, ?????

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

There is nothing you can do to turn this website into a reddit like echo chamber buddy. Nothing you can do to supress other people's views either.

I don’t disagree with you, except in the case of being a paid entity of the propaganda arm of another country.

 

[upsetkiller]

lolol, every time I hear someone complaining about echo chambers on reddit, that someone is always already in another echo chamber from somewhere. Are you sure you're not stuck in one? one of you literally even pulled the "racist" and "unbiased" card. Like, ?????

Thats hilarious coming from an American 🤣.

 

[defunctup]

Did you mean PRC? And can you really call the subjugation of a billion people under a single party state “the will of the people” if there is no choice involved?

ah yes it must be entire mind control of subjugation of over 1 billion people, not the more logical view that one billion all have individually concluded that their government works for them. do you even realize how absolutely racist you sound thinking Chinese people are some mind controlled hive mind? that's complete delusional. And that's also rich to accuse anyone of being subjugated coming from someone living in the US where everyone hates their government because how dysfunctional, corrupt, a true one party system it is with ZERO choice, and is constantly bombing brown kids and committing several genocides concurrently through western imperialism and warmongering. you are truly poisoned by western brainrot and propaganda.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

ah yes it must be entire mind control of subjugation of over 1 billion people, not the more logical view that one billion all have individually concluded that their government works for them. do you even realize how absolutely racist you sound thinking Chinese people are some mind controlled hive mind? that's complete delusional. And that's also rich to accuse anyone of being subjugated coming from someone living in the US where everyone hates their government because how dysfunctional, corrupt, a true one party system it is with ZERO choice, and is constantly bombing brown kids and committing several genocides concurrently through western imperialism and warmongering. you are truly poisoned by western brainrot and propaganda.

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[circadia]

Thats hilarious coming from an American 🤣.

wow, good job assuming I'm an American, lol. too bad I'm not one, and last time you guys called a Westerner racist, you got kicked out of a mall.

 

[Ralston18]

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