Coil whine at 60fp/s? Is this rare?

[Yuki Core]

Hey, I am struggling to find the right thing to do, I recently bought a GTX 1070 G1, and it has a coil whine, starting at about ~40fp/s?! I didn't thoroughly test this, but usually on games and benchmarks where the frames are at the frame rates of 60-144fp/s, typical gaming fps, the coil whine is the worst.

Here's a video. 😉
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3kAm0MqKUNzRUhwTk9ySUNibDA/view?usp=sharing
First with a closed case panel, then I open it, sadly I can't turn off noise cancellation, but I think it didn't cancel the coil whine much, except when the case was closed.

But I always thought that the coil whine was typically only at about 100fp/s +, but not less. Have I've been misinformed, or is this a rare case?

Also should I RMA?

 

[Guest]

You could go into console mode and lock it at 30fps. But for real, there sadly is nothing you can do. You can try to RMA, but most of the time they don't consider coil whine a issue worthy of exchange. There are some extreme methods, but they would go against your warranty.

 

[TheFluffyDog]

magnetic fields withing you card are causing vibrations at all times.

Every object (from a wine glass to the components attached to your GPU) has a frequency at which it resonates.

When an object resonates, the applied frequency causes constructive interference within in material. This amplifies the vibrational energy until its loud enough to hear.

^jsut and FYI, since you mentioned that there was a "typical" fps. You see its not about FPS, its about the fields within the card interacting with each other. There will be different interactions at different loads, fps, etc.

For your RMA concern, check with the manufacturer and see if you can get a new one for this issue. I would do it just because its annoying. There isnt any evidence that says that coil whine in a typical case causes any damage to anything, but its language edit annoying as you are finding out. I had a 770 that whined, and then i got a 980ti and it sounds like its whining. At this point im wondering if its my PSU whining when the 12V rail gets loaded, but yeh it can be annoying. ]

If its early enough you may still be withing the return period for the retailer you used.

Watch your Language. This is a Family Friendly site.

 

[TechyInAZ]

I've got the G1 GTX 1060 version, and I get the exact same coil whining. Just be glad it is hardly noticeable.

There is nothing you can do about coil whine, you could RMA it if gigabyte allows that, but you could just get another replacement with the exact same issues.

 

[Guest]

magnetic fields withing you card are causing vibrations at all times.

Every object (from a wine glass to the components attached to your GPU) has a frequency at which it resonates.

When an object resonates, the applied frequency causes constructive interference within in material. This amplifies the vibrational energy until its loud enough to hear.

^jsut and FYI, since you mentioned that there was a "typical" fps. You see its not about FPS, its about the fields within the card interacting with each other. There will be different interactions at different loads, fps, etc.

For your RMA concern, check with the manufacturer and see if you can get a new one for this issue. I would do it just because its annoying. There isnt any evidence that says that coil whine in a typical case causes any damage to anything, but its language edit annoying as you are finding out. I had a 770 that whined, and then i got a 980ti and it sounds like its whining. At this point im wondering if its my PSU whining when the 12V rail gets loaded, but yeh it can be annoying. ]

If its early enough you may still be withing the return period for the retailer you used.

Watch your Language. This is a Family Friendly site.

It mostly about fps actually. More fps = more load = more whine. That is why using vsync can help if your fps was about say 60.

I have a R9 390 G1 no whine from it.

 

[Yuki Core]

You could go into console mode and lock it at 30fps. But for real, there sadly is nothing you can do. You can try to RMA, but most of the time they don't consider coil whine a issue worthy of exchange. There are some extreme methods, but they would go against your warranty.

30fp/s, U w0t m9? 😀 I didn't buy a GPU that costs more than PS4 to play at 30fps.

Good thing is that I mostly play with headphones, and that the whine has lessened a little bit from the original amount. In the video it's like it is now, but better than at first.

magnetic fields withing you card are causing vibrations at all times.

Every object (from a wine glass to the components attached to your GPU) has a frequency at which it resonates.

When an object resonates, the applied frequency causes constructive interference within in material. This amplifies the vibrational energy until its loud enough to hear.

^jsut and FYI, since you mentioned that there was a "typical" fps. You see its not about FPS, its about the fields within the card interacting with each other. There will be different interactions at different loads, fps, etc.

For your RMA concern, check with the manufacturer and see if you can get a new one for this issue. I would do it just because its annoying. There isnt any evidence that says that coil whine in a typical case causes any damage to anything, but its language edit annoying as you are finding out. I had a 770 that whined, and then i got a 980ti and it sounds like its whining. At this point im wondering if its my PSU whining when the 12V rail gets loaded, but yeh it can be annoying. ]

If its early enough you may still be withing the return period for the retailer you used.

Watch your Language. This is a Family Friendly site.

Thanks for the detailed answer. Yes, I've noticed that the framerate is not the definitive measurement of these vibrations.
Sadly after purchasing the card, and discovering this issue, I noticed that most of the coil whine complaints were from people which bought GTX10 cards from Gigabyte.

I did check out some of the videos/reports before purchasing, but I didn't look at other manufacturers. Might have been a good idea to spend 10-20€ more for a different manufacturer, but at the time the price of 430€ seemed high enough.

RMA seems to be quite an impossible option for me, right now. Knowing my luck, I'd probably get a card with a worse problem, or the same problem in worse state.

I've got the G1 GTX 1060 version, and I get the exact same coil whining. Just be glad it is hardly noticeable.

There is nothing you can do about coil whine, you could RMA it if gigabyte allows that, but you could just get another replacement with the exact same issues.

I feel you... seems like we're stuck with this issue. Gotta check for other problems, maybe there is something more critical, but doesn't seem like it for now.

 

[TheFluffyDog]

magnetic fields withing you card are causing vibrations at all times.

Every object (from a wine glass to the components attached to your GPU) has a frequency at which it resonates.

When an object resonates, the applied frequency causes constructive interference within in material. This amplifies the vibrational energy until its loud enough to hear.

^jsut and FYI, since you mentioned that there was a "typical" fps. You see its not about FPS, its about the fields within the card interacting with each other. There will be different interactions at different loads, fps, etc.

For your RMA concern, check with the manufacturer and see if you can get a new one for this issue. I would do it just because its annoying. There isnt any evidence that says that coil whine in a typical case causes any damage to anything, but its language edit annoying as you are finding out. I had a 770 that whined, and then i got a 980ti and it sounds like its whining. At this point im wondering if its my PSU whining when the 12V rail gets loaded, but yeh it can be annoying. ]

If its early enough you may still be withing the return period for the retailer you used.

Watch your Language. This is a Family Friendly site.

It mostly about fps actually. More fps = more load = more whine. That is why using vsync can help if your fps was about say 60.

I have a R9 390 G1 no whine from it.

60fps in League of Legends creates an EXTREMELY different load than 60fps in something like Crysis. My 770 would wine with locked frames on in borderlands, but not in other titles locked at 60fps. Its related to load, which is LINKED to fps, but is by no means the same thing. Also, more load does not mean more whine. All coil whine in all electronic systems is related to resonance. You can have coil whine in a circuit in a Home Theater Receiver just as easily as a graphics card. Because on the physical effects driving coil whine, it always happens at a particular situation. Whether it be a certain load, a certain power target, a certain core clock a certain memory clock. Most coil whine in GPU's comes from the VRM circuitry which means its usually governed by power usage which is usually governed by load. It is unrelated to more or less. This is something Electrical engineers and Circuit designers keep in mind when designing boards.

As you approach the resonant frequency the intensity of the whine increases, when you reach that frequency, it is the loudest, and as you pass beyond that frequency it will quiet down again. Its the same as having 2 speakers facing each other playing the same exact sin wave and altering the phase of one wave independent of the other. when they are phase aligned the sound is amplified and is actually quite crisp. When they are 1/8 wave out of phase there is some constructive interference so you still hear something, but it will be scratchy and broken up. When they are exactly 1/2 wave out of phase you hear absolutely nothing (theoretically).


Disclaimer: I don't mean to insult anyone with this post. I spend my days in a lab and usually end up applying serious science to all of my hobbies. I just wish to destroy the notion that PC's and other consumer electronic systems (like sound) somehow differ from the laws of physics. I usually use this knowledge to destroy the snake oil surround the Hi-Fi audio world. (big hobby is building speakers and setting up sound systems for all of my friends parties 😛 )

 

[TheFluffyDog]

In a quick unrelated blurb, Because the phenomenon is very particular, my 980ti (which seems to whine a little) whines at stock clocks during benchmarks, but when i OC'd it and ran the same benchmarks, it didn't whine. It can be a "gosh darn" annoying issue (since apparently i'm a bad boy for my previously used language)

 

[Yuki Core]

I mentioned about not checking manufacturers for coil whine's. But now looking at other cards, it seems like all the GTX 1000 series cards have coil whines more or less. Just the Evga and Gigabyte one's are better selling, thus more videos...

Another lottery to the stack... I was looking for monitors and the best one's (feature wise), all have backlight bleed lotteries.
It seems like they are not even interested in optimizing these issues... It's a frustrating time for PC gaming...
But then again these are not serious issues, just "minor" annoyances, which can become major annoyances depending of how picky you are.

At least BLB is considered an issue, and very often people send back their monitors for warranty exchange/repair, hopefully that will make the companies look for a solution to this issue. But then again, people are testing the monitors in their stead, and RMA probably costs them less than to check every single unit. We live in a time where profit is everything, and satisfaction is only needed for reviewers ratings, in order to achieve better profits.

 

[TheFluffyDog]

I mentioned about not checking manufacturers for coil whine's. But now looking at other cards, it seems like all the GTX 1000 series cards have coil whines more or less. Just the Evga and Gigabyte one's are better selling, thus more videos...

Another lottery to the stack... I was looking for monitors and the best one's (feature wise), all have backlight bleed lotteries.
It seems like they are not even interested in optimizing these issues... It's a frustrating time for PC gaming...
But then again these are not serious issues, just "minor" annoyances, which can become major annoyances depending of how picky you are.

At least BLB is considered an issue, and very often people send back their monitors for warranty exchange/repair, hopefully that will make the companies look for a solution to this issue. But then again, people are testing the monitors in their stead, and RMA probably costs them less than to check every single unit. We live in a time where profit is everything, and satisfaction is only needed for reviewers ratings, in order to achieve better profits.

The backlight issue has been pissing me off recently. I have a 930D as one of my displays and have owned quite a few monitors. It seems that for PC gaming the buzz words are Resolution, Response time, refresh rate.

If i display 1080p 100hz on my TV It looks crazy better than 1440p 144hz IPS that i just got. I even took the time to up the white level on my TV so it grays out the black level of the VA panel to match the "IPS glow"

Why do gamers continue to by 4k panels that look terrible. there are so many better backlighting technologies than "edge lit LED" and were sitting here buying 1000$ 4k monitors that really dont look that good. IPS is great if you are a competitive gamer. Its accurate, and has a shallow blacks which are actually a plus. And a more refined response time curve than TN.

Now i realize I'm comparing the monitor to a (previously 3500$) currently 2800$ TV, but the thing is 65" with smart menus and everything else. how can we still not get a decent backlight in a 700-1000$ screen thats only 27" with basically no extra features?

 

[Yuki Core]

I mentioned about not checking manufacturers for coil whine's. But now looking at other cards, it seems like all the GTX 1000 series cards have coil whines more or less. Just the Evga and Gigabyte one's are better selling, thus more videos...

Another lottery to the stack... I was looking for monitors and the best one's (feature wise), all have backlight bleed lotteries.
It seems like they are not even interested in optimizing these issues... It's a frustrating time for PC gaming...
But then again these are not serious issues, just "minor" annoyances, which can become major annoyances depending of how picky you are.

At least BLB is considered an issue, and very often people send back their monitors for warranty exchange/repair, hopefully that will make the companies look for a solution to this issue. But then again, people are testing the monitors in their stead, and RMA probably costs them less than to check every single unit. We live in a time where profit is everything, and satisfaction is only needed for reviewers ratings, in order to achieve better profits.

The backlight issue has been pissing me off recently. I have a 930D as one of my displays and have owned quite a few monitors. It seems that for PC gaming the buzz words are Resolution, Response time, refresh rate.

If i display 1080p 100hz on my TV It looks crazy better than 1440p 144hz IPS that i just got. I even took the time to up the white level on my TV so it grays out the black level of the VA panel to match the "IPS glow"

Why do gamers continue to by 4k panels that look terrible. there are so many better backlighting technologies than "edge lit LED" and were sitting here buying 1000$ 4k monitors that really dont look that good. IPS is great if you are a competitive gamer. Its accurate, and has a shallow blacks which are actually a plus. And a more refined response time curve than TN.

Now i realize I'm comparing the monitor to a (previously 3500$) currently 2800$ TV, but the thing is 65" with smart menus and everything else. how can we still not get a decent backlight in a 700-1000$ screen thats only 27" with basically no extra features?

I found this great video, it explains this issue with monitors very well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxvu7qf6rDw
But honestly, I think they make people pay more for monitors, because of the lower demand, and also they care less to advance technology of monitors over TV's.

EDIT: Well, frankly, they did evolve the PC monitors with the AH-VA panels, but it's not good enough, sadly.