Collection of AM2 and K8L Data!

[joset]

I'd only suggest a sticky if this thread matures with it's info.

D'accord.


Cheers!

 

[Action_Man]

Almost. 😛

I'm still accepting info and whatnot peoples!

 

[Action_Man]

Thats the plan.

 

[gOJDO]

Here are some details of next-gen Opterons:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2971

 

[GPU]

Desktop roadmap

 

[gOJDO]

I found this info about K8L shirnk of K8:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babe...ch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0531/kaigai273.htm
http://www.aceshardware.com/forums/read_post.jsp?id=120058172&forumid=1

 

[cptndipshit]

how do I go about finding the 35w 3800+ x2? Can't seen to bring them up on pricewatch.

I want to build a efficient daly rig. and have a seperate gaming rig that can draw whatever power it wants as long as it is fast.

Too bad that Albatron ITX board doesn't have PCI-E 16x onboard, would make a nice small LAN rig with a 7950GX2.

Or a Conroe ITX, if there is one. whatever gives me the best watts/speed/price combo.

 

[mjp1618]

how do I go about finding the 35w 3800+ x2? Can't seen to bring them up on pricewatch.

I hear there are about a dozen of them around.

 

[Action_Man]

Ok peoples I'm going to start work again on this thread. Before I do so I thought I should lay out a gameplan before hand see what people think should go in and what shouldn't and whatever else needs to be done.

Naturally the K8L info needs to be updated.

4x4 needs a section.

Revision G needs coverage (is it just a 65nm shrink or what? I haven't been paying much attention lately)

Server stuff.

Anything else?

 

[zarooch]

might add another section about its architecture and add any authentic information regarding its new architecture which is coming in 2008...

 

[Action_Man]

Well thats quite far away, they're meant to be doing something new after K8L during that time so we'll cover current tech and whats coming out next.

 

[gOJDO]

what we know is that K8 will be upgraded with every new Rev. Or AMD will add features in the Revs as they develop them. So we'll need new section for every Rev.

 

[Action_Man]

Good idea.

 

[zarooch]

we need a sticky!

 

[gOJDO]

Here are some benches on the socketF Opteron HE 2220 2.8GHz:
http://forum.coolaler.com/showthread.php?t=129679&page=1&pp=10

 

[gOJDO]

Here is some official info:

http://digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20060628VL201.html

1. There will be quadcore sAM2 and with 4x4 we'll be able to get 8 cores workstation:

We're now introducing AM2, and of course AM2 will be quad-core compatible.

And the fact that the AM2 socket allows us to have a seamless transition to quadcore tells me that I can buy a 4×4 platform, in the later part of this year, and then take it to eight cores sometime in 2007.

2. There will be dualcore and quadcore K8L:

Our plan is to have both dual-core and quad-core K8L-based processors within the same timeframe. The K8L development, from the ground up, is a quad-core development.

3. There will be upgrades on K8 in 2007((ALU, FPU, memory bandwidth, interconnections)), before they bring the K8L:

We've talked about the refresh of the current K8 architecture that will come in '07, with significant improvements in many different areas of the processor, including integer performance, floating point performance, memory bandwidth, interconnections and so on. You know that platform still has a lot of legs under it, but of course we're not standing still, and there's a next-generation core that's being worked on.

 

[gman01]

Revision G needs coverage (is it just a 65nm shrink or what? I haven't been paying much attention lately)

They should also have the ddr2 memory controller fixed.... Once they get it running at like 90% efficiencey am2 will rock.... If they had it running right when am2 chips were first released AMD would not be thought as being so far behind conroe....

 

[gOJDO]

They should also have the ddr2 memory controller fixed.... Once they get it running at like 90% efficiencey am2 will rock.... If they had it running right when am2 chips were first released AMD would not be thought as being so far behind conroe....

I am suspicous about it. The DDR IMC on the K8 is excelent. The RAM efficiency depends on the RAM latency. I don't know how AMD can improve RAM efficiency with rework on the IMC. It is much more likely that the OOO load/store execution will do the job much better and we don't know if it will be fature on Rev G.

 

[gman01]

They should also have the ddr2 memory controller fixed.... Once they get it running at like 90% efficiencey am2 will rock.... If they had it running right when am2 chips were first released AMD would not be thought as being so far behind conroe....

I am suspicous about it. The DDR IMC on the K8 is excelent. The RAM efficiency depends on the RAM latency. I don't know how AMD can improve RAM efficiency with rework on the IMC. It is much more likely that the OOO load/store execution will do the job much better and we don't know if it will be fature on Rev G.

Are you saying that the problem is with the ddr2 memory, and not the AM2 chip memory controller? I have heard other people saying that also.... But if the ddr2 memory is the problem, than why did no one notice this with the intel chips running on ddr2 for the past years?

I guess everyone assumed that the intel north bridges were the problem, but when AM2 came along with the same problem, everyone has concluded it is the memory that is crap?

 

[Action_Man]

Bump, added various details.

 

[allhell]

I am truly shocked & amazed & in total awe by this post action man.
Is there some hidden agenda?
Did you travle north & get your head right side up so you could think different?

Just messing with you ,,,...

Really good post/thread, not because its about AMD but because you want to do facts & I guess because you HATE AMD so much it must have taken a lot out of you to be doing it.

 

[gOJDO]

I am truly shocked & amazed & in total awe by this post action man.
Is there some hidden agenda?
Did you travle north & get your head right side up so you could think different?

Just messing with you ,,,...

Really good post/thread, not because its about AMD but because you want to do facts & I guess because you HATE AMD so much it must have taken a lot out of you to be doing it.

Hehe, why people think so radical. If you don't like ignorant and blinded AMD fanboys that does not mean that you are an Intel fanboy.
ActionMan has not changed his opinion and he is thinking like he was thinking some months ago when I joined the TG forumz. He is not an Intel fanboy, he never stated for Intel like 9nm, MoronBatrix, MMM, Shakira and their sock puppets did for AMD. He owned them so hard becouse they were posting BS-ty lies biased to AMD. Thats why some people, like you in this case, may think that he hates AMD. I bet he will do the same to the Intel fanboys which will post BS in 9nm&MoronBatrix sytle and I will enjoy and join the discussion. It is fun


@Action_Man
It is good for start. You can add some more text, it will not be boring. Put some pictures of cores and etc, like that with difference between rev. F and rev. G. Put some benchmark results(pictures, text) with different types of DDR2(freqfency & latency). Also put the benchmarks of the SocketF Opteron 2800HE that made coolaler and if there are others include them also.
AND ASK STICKY FROM THE MODS!

 

[MrsD]

Regular:

AMD Athlon 64 FX 62 - 2.8GHz - 64+64K L1 - 1MBx2 L2 - 125W - $1031
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ - 2.6GHz - 64+64K L1 - 512KBx2 L2 - 89W - $696
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ - 2.4GHz - 64+64K L1 - 1MBx2 L2 - 89W - $645
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ - 2.4GHz - 64+64K L1 - 512KBx2 L2 - 89W - $558
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ - 2.2GHz - 64+64K L1 - 1MBx2 L2 - 89W - $470
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ - 2.2GHz - 64+64K L1 - 512KBx2 L2 - 89W - $365
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ - 2.0GHz - 64+64K L1 - 1MBx2 L2 - 89W - $328
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ - 2.0GHz - 64+64K L1 - 512KBx2 L2 - 89W - $303
AMD Athlon 64 3800+ - 2.4GHz - 64+64K L1 - 512KB L2 - 62W - $290
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ - 2.2GHz - 64+64K L1 - 512KB L2 - 62W - $189
AMD Sempron 3600+ - 2.0GHz - 64+64K L1 - 256KB L2 - 62W - $123
AMD Sempron 3500+ - 2.0GHz - 64+64K L1 - 128KB L2 - 62W - $109
AMD Sempron 3400+ - 1.8GHz - 64+64K L1 - 256KB L2 - 62W - $97
AMD Sempron 3200+ - 1.8GHz - 64+64K L1 - 128KB L2 - 62W - $87
AMD Sempron 3000+ - 1.6GHz - 64+64K L1 - 256KB L2 - 62W - $77

I didnt read the thread but as soon as I read the first chart I knew the L1 cache figures for all the X2's were incorrect. Should be 128 + 128.

 

[gOJDO]

I didnt read the thread but as soon as I read the first chart I knew the L1 cache figures for all the X2's were incorrect. Should be 128 + 128.

it should be 2x(64+64)

 

[Action_Man]

Per core it is 64k+64k, no-one quotes it as 128k+128k so STFU.