Collection of Conroe Data. (Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme!)

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quick as this:
1) is the first core 2 cpu going to be a "conroe" or an "allendale" core?
2) how come noone is mentioning "millville"? i'd surely like to see some benchies on this cpu
that's all for now
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- Conroe, first eighth-generation desktop chip, 65 nm, dual-core, 4 MB L2
- Allendale, dual-core, cut-down Conroe with 2 MB L2
- Millville, single-core, cut-down Allendale with 1 MB L2
- Wolfdale, dual-core, 45 nm shrink of Allendale, with 3 MB L2
- Kentsfield, quad-core MCM, consists of two Conroes, with 2 × 4 MB L2 (8 MB L2)
- Yorkfield, eight-core MCM, 45 nm, 12 MB L2, successor to Kentsfield
- Ridgefield, dual-core, 45 nm shrink of Conroe, with 6 MB L2
- Perryville, single-core, 45 nm mobile and desktop processor, 2 MB L2
 
Does anyone know the official release date of Core 2 Duo i have seen posts in other forums that it will be on the 23rd of July but I haven't really been keeping up to date.
 
Cool should be fun messing around with these new cores 😀.

Do you know if the E6600 will be dual core? Also will you need DDR2-1066 (PC2-8500) or will you be able to use DDR2-1000 (PC2-8000) memory.
 
3.2GHz "Conroe" gets confirmed by Intel

Intel representatives just contacted DailyTech with the following information:

The Core 2 Extreme processor (Conroe based) will ship at 2.93GHz at Core 2 Duo launch. We will also have a 3.2GHz version by end of the year. And as you know, the Quad Core enthusiast SKU, Kentsfield, is planned for Q1'07.
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Full Article
 
Looks as it will have a 1066 FSB.
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That is correct. The 1333MHz FSB was always just a rumor, and since there are little to no consumer motherboards that support it, Intel is sticking with 1066MHz FSB for now.

The chips have no problem with that FSB, see most of the overclocked benchmarks in the first post in this thread, as well as all of the woodcrest products, whose motherboards do support 1333FSB.

Cheers!

And another quick update for folks who are interested: Coolaler is overclocking his Core 2 Extreme and is hitting 3.8GHz stable on AIR COOLING. Great news for folks who don't want to use any more exotic cooling.

Link: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101562
 
Pretty interesting results, anyone going to be getting one of these core 2 extreme processors though ....... 🙁 thought not. I think that intel should give their loyal customers processors for free :lol: i wish :cry:.
 
I think that intel should give their loyal customers processors for free :lol: i wish :cry:.
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Nothing is free in the life. Even my mother is not giving to my father for free.

They give their loyal employees free processors 😀

Only cheese in a mouse trap is free.
 
Regarding the 6-1-06 ExtremeTech tests summarized in msg #1:

The article states that the "tests were on production-level CPUs, not early steppings".
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1970193,00.asp

This should be noted in the msg #1 summary of the ExtremeTech results. The msg #1 general statement that "these benchmarks are all with A0 stepping Core 2's ..." should be changed to "except as noted, these benchmarks are all with A0 or other pre-production stepping Core 2's...".
 
Good point. I don't actually know much about the A0/B0, but Extreme Tech say what they say because that's what they were told by Intel. Isn't that so? Otherwise why else would they state it. All I know is that sometimes the hardware is given to the test lab that is configured a bit differently to conserve $. Not to say that Intel lied to us, nor to say that the progy read the chip wrong. Although sometimes the hardware says one thing and the software shows another. Sorta something like the voltage thing that's been going on with the overclocks. I don't want to go defending the the credability of the truth of that specific article though becuse what we'd rather be tasting is the release of Core 2 EX or something like it. Here's probably what happened. Intel made early stepping, the program reads it as an early steping because it is and what Extreme Tech knows is that it isn't because they're only a guest and yet the progy says that the chip isn't a A0 and yet it really is. Probably is an early eteping that's been altered to run like the original, an illusion, sorta like sligh of hand on behalf of Intel.


oh that and

Madmodmike isn't the mad mod of anything.
 
The benchmarks that I really want to see are the top of the line

DualCore Conroes vs AMD's new 4X4 (4 Rev F Opteron Cores).

They will be priced about the same for the end user so this will be great for us. The high bandwidth of cHTT will truly allow the Opterons to shine since they were designed from the ground up to be in a multicore/multisocket environment.

Also, I wonder if Intel is going to roll out their own dual socket Conroe boards to try to combat AMD's 4X4. That would be a very interesting benchmark indeed! More cache but FSB bottleneck vs Less cache but tremendous bandwidth between the processors and the rest of the IO. It may very well cause Intel to roll out a dual socket Conroe with 6mb L2 cache to reduce the increased pressure on the FSB caused by adding a second Conroe.

Again, in all cases it's a win win for the consumers so let the battles continue!!
 
Got some interesting things to add to the sticky.

It seems ATI is working hard on an optimized enthousiast chipset for Conroe. They've actually released some of their own benchmarks for the RD600 and compared it with the standard i975X Bad-Axe.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2657

There appears to be many interesting features including PCIe overclocking. The memory controller is now decoubled from the FSB so that they can be clocked independantly. DDR2 1067 is also now supported by default. What's even more interesting is that now that the FSB isn't limited by memory, you have crazy overclocking potential. Even though Intel isn't releasing 1333MHz Extreme Editions, the RD600 will support a 1333MHz FSB by default. They've also reached up to a 1500MHz FSB on a standard 4-layer PCB motherboard. Increasing it to 6-layers yields a 1600MHz FSB.

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=608109&starttime=0&endtime=0

Needless to say this thing looks like a thing of beauty. I can't help but wonder what is up with Intel's own chipset strategy. First, they mess up their low end chipset production and have to rely on third party boards, going so far as branding ATI's chipsets as their own, and now they don't even bother to update their high-end i975X chipset and let ATI come up with the flagship product. With them marketing platforms like Centrino, ViiV, and VPro, it's disconcerting that they let a central component like chipsets fall to the wayside. At least the mainstream 965 chipsets look good.
 
Yeah, it makes you wonder... Although the 975X was really a hasty release to cover up the flatlined 955X chipset. Intel's high-end 975X chipset is left high and dry, overpriced above $200 and outperformed by the upcoming 965PE... And from what I have heard nVidia will only be releasing the nForce 590 SLI as their Intel Edition. Looks like ATI's RD600 is sitting in the catbird seat and they know it, as it's priced about $150 which is less than both the 975X and nForce 590 SLI.

Full details on the RD600 chipset are also here.
 
hmm... intresting... BTW where did Intel's 935 chipset go? and any info on i985 chipset?? i read somewhere that i965G (on board graphics) is compatible with DX10... DX 9.0c SM 2.0 & SM 3.0 and bla bla... seems good enough for med. rang graphics... i hope they also release i985 and retire i975 mobo... (i995 then ??? i1005)
 
Intel's high-end 975X chipset is left high and dry, overpriced above $200 and outperformed by the upcoming 965PE.
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It gets worse.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2667

It seems that the 965 chipsets no longer support Crossfire. DailyTech seems to indicate that was an ATI decision, but I'm betting it's Intel's. Crossfire is the only thing left that could differentiate the old i975X so the 965 is paying the price to justify the 975X's continued existence. This is really a waste since the 965 chipsets already included the logic to split into two PCIe x8 slots.

hmm... intresting... BTW where did Intel's 935 chipset go? and any info on i985 chipset?? i read somewhere that i965G (on board graphics) is compatible with DX10... DX 9.0c SM 2.0 & SM 3.0 and bla bla... seems good enough for med. rang graphics... i hope they also release i985 and retire i975 mobo... (i995 then ??? i1005)
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Yes, the feature list of the i965G's integrated graphics is very full featured. I'm hoping the performance will be inline with the X1300Pro which should be equivalent to the performance of the X700 integrated in ATI's upcoming mainstream chipsets.

There are no confirmed reports of the existane of a i985 which is really too bad. A refresh with DDR2 1067 support, a 1333Mhz FSB, and 2 PCIe x16 slots would have been appreciated.

The best way for Intel to salvage the situation with very little effort is this. Although the i975X chipsets don't officially support a 1333MHz FSB, the logic is present and Intel's own Bad-Axe boards have had the feature since it launched with Netburst. The concern is not that the chipset doesn't support it, it's whether the manufacturers overdesigned their 1067MHz bus enough to allow long-term stable 1333MHz operation as well as additional overclocking room which people expect. Intel still has a month and a half till Conroe launches, which gives them more than enough time to consult with manufacturers about how they designed their existing i975X solutions. I think if they actually checked, they'd find that nearly all Conroe i975X motherboards have been overdesigned enough to allow stable 1333Mhz FSB operation. This is especially the case given that the only i975X motherboards are enthusiast parts where mobo manufacturers are unlikely to skimp. The only i975X board that wouldn't run at 1333Mhz is the AOpen one for Core Duo which isn't a concern. With good enough hardware implementation, Intel can simply release new BIOSes that enabled 1333Mhz operation and clean up leftover small issues. They may need to up the northbridge voltage slightly as an extra stability guarantee, but that shouldn't be a problem for enthousiast parts. This may be a half-assed approach, but it'll be good enough to ship with the Conroe launch. Later chispet and motherboard revisions can be further optimized and tidy things up.

Intel could then still launch the Extreme Edition at 2.93Ghz (which I don't really like, but it's the best option). Later, when AMD's 4x4 solution launchs, Intel will have the hardware in place to counter with a 3.33Ghz 1333MHz Extreme Edition. Intel will then have support through their own i975Xs and also through ATI's RD600. The 1333Mhz FSB will also be available to Kentsfield when it ships. I'm hoping AMD's 4x4 approach with the 2 IMCs will force Kentsfield and Cloverton to ship with a 1333MHz FSB. Otherwise, no matter how good Core 2 is, with 4 cores and 2 L2 caches on the same 1066Mhz bus, you will be disappointed.
 
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