COMP completed! -- but i have some questions

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OK my new computer is built! No problems so far but i need some advice. ok here goes:

1. Currently my 2500 athlon-m is at a 200 fsb with a 11.5 multi, so im at 2300 mhz, at FULL LOAD im at 46C, should i push it farther? if not then il be happy with my 500 MHZ oc

2. The fan atop the heatsink should be blowing ONTO the heatsink correct?

3. The case fan under the PSU and near the CPU should be for exhaust correct?

4. I am transfering data from my old hard drive to my new one, but it wont let me access the information on it due to the fact that my old account was an admin account so it is protecting it, what can i do to solve this and get my data?

5. GF 6800 U or X800XT, please no flame war, just tell me which one, oh and i have a 400W PSU.

6. I read slavas opt. guide , nice work slava, but i didnt see any freeware versions of anti virus, do you guys now of any?
 

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1. Push it further, however watch your vcore, if it require huge jumps then don't.

2. Yes

3. Yes

4. You can just use Norton Ghost to clone your original drive

5. Can't comment on that 6800Ultra not released yet, and controversy over ATI's optimizations

6. Pirate Norton 2004

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4. I am transferring data from my old hard drive to my new one, but it wont let me access the information on it due to the fact that my old account was an admin account so it is protecting it, what can i do to solve this and get my data?
Your info is insufficient to suggest an exact solution.

What exactly do you mean it won't let you access the info on the old hard drive?

I assume you don't have Ghost :eek:) and you don't want to buy it. I also assume WinXP is installed on your new hard drive. So you now have the OS installed on both hard drives?

Check the following:

1. Do you see the old hard drive in the device manager? If you do not, are your new hard drive jumpers set to Master or Cable Select? Are your old hard drive jumpers set to Slave or Cable Select? It should be either Master(new disk)/Slave(old disk) or Cable Select/Cable Select. Cable Select is recommended for both drives but then you must make sure that the secondary disk is hooked up to the middle connector on your IDE cable. Cable Select jumper settings are designated on your hard drive jumper chart as CS.

2. If you see the old hard drive in the device manager, do you see the folders/files on the old hard drive in Windows Explorer? If you see the folders you should be able to copy them them. If you cannot, try going in the folder Properties and taking ownership of them as the new Admin.

3. If you do not see the folders, mmm, have you formatted the old disk by accident? was your previous OS NEWER than the current one? If you had WinX, for example, but now you installed Win98SE, you will not see anything on the old hard drive because file systems are different and Win98 is not forward compatible.

(Dammit, when will ppl start describing their problems in detail?)

4. What exactly won't Windows let you access? If you are trying to copy your old Windows folder over the new one, well, lol you will NEVER be able to do this (not in Windows anyway) and you SHOULDN'T! :lol:

5. What error messages are you getting, if any?

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Well slava you see i've never heard of a harddrive problem like that before, nor seen one. So my solution... Pirate ghost.

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LOL, You are right, of course. I've never seen a problem like that myself and I just thought it inappropriate to openly suggest on these boards that someone pirate software :smile:

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I can't remember the last time i've bought a piece of software.

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:wink: (hands scottchen a beer)

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Ok sorry, i should have elaboratted.

I have two harddrives, the second(old) HD is correctly slaved to my new one. I see all my old folders and subfolders in windows explorer. my problem:

i can copy everything from my old hard drive except folders under my OLD account. i think its because i had all my data on my old account secured so that only the person logged onto my name would be able to delete/write those files.

this is the error message when i go to drive(E) [old harddrive] > Documents and Settings > Shaun (old admin account) :
"E:\Documents and Settings\Shaun\Desktop is not accessible.

Access is denied"

thing is, i had ripped this dj tiesto cd and had put the folder that had all the mp3's onto my desktop, so i need that folder. -tia
 

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hey scottchen, do you use newsgroups? i have a 6Mb/sec server so if you could hook it up with the group that might have ghost that would be awesome.. oh and i forgot ot thank yall for the original advice and now that my cpu is burned in its actually pushing around 51 at load. should i still go farther? im at 1.7vcore
 

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GeForce 6800 Ultra :D

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1) don't push it further without a water cooling device

2) yes

3) yes

4) transfer from dos (use a windows xp start up disk) Norton ghost is good too just depends on if you comfortable with dos or not

5) 6800 gt when it comes out (best card for the money)

6) AVG grisoft its as good as norton without the other program interactions
 

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Sorry I don't use newsgroup. Only 1.7Vcore, your temp's slipping into the high side now, so don't go any higher unless you got better cooling. But If I were you i'd keep going higher, i'd push the 1.75Vcore, and keep my temp under 60C. But ignore my second thought.

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well heres my OCing update:

im at 200 X 12.5 rock solid, still at 1.7 , at idle im at 50C, full load around 55C <>so 700 mhz on air.. i love amd :p

oh and im getting 17000 on 3dmark 2001 give or take 10 with my non OC'ed aiw 9700p

I was also thinking of the 6800 gt, but what i want to see are some benchmarks using the new drivers that everyone is talking about. Have any of you guys seen any?
 

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Any luck with the hard drive? Here's another thought: Why don't you create an identical administrative account (Shaun) on the new hard drive with the same credentials and permissions as you had on the old hard drive? ...

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i didnt see any freeware versions of anti virus, do you guys now of any?
AVG is the best free AV, but I don't recommend it, it lack many great features and is not the best at Virus Detection/Removal you can still get infected with it installed. I tried it for a coupe of month and I went back to Norton AV.

One good thing to have is a software firewall. Which stops many Virus and attack. I strongly recommends you ZoneAlarm (non PRO) from ZoneLabs. It's free, user-friendly and it's one of the most secure/effective firewall.

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Has anyone else tried <A HREF="http://housecall.trendmicro.com " target="_new">http://housecall.trendmicro.com </A> This is a web based virus program that seems to work pretty well.
 

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The problem with online Anti-Virus is that if one Virus hog your internet connection or your internet connection is down! You can't scan your PC! This kind of online service is not very efficient. The best PC security is when it's run in the PC or the local network, not the Internet!

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All Internet security programs are g@y, i believe the best solution is probably router+NAV.

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All Internet security programs are g@y, i believe the best solution is probably router+NAV.
Wow! What an argument!

I don't agree. Good software firewall are very effective at securing a PC. It's a good way to get preotected even if your Windows is not 100% patched. The problem with security software is that most users don't understand how to use them effectively.

I'm a telecomm professional and I fully understand the importantce of PC security. Routers can be effective at security too, but they can't do anything against internal attack/hack. So, if you connect a PC in your LAN that is infected with something, it might infect the other PC even if you have a router that is well configured. And a crouter that is not configured securely can be a big "HOLE" or exploits to hackers/attackers.

But, of course, if you have a good control on who is connecting to your local network and a router that is well configured. You don't have to worry, because the routers will surely block most the attack and your PC anti-virus will de the rest of the job at keeping you safe.

If those Internet Security programs were so bad, no one would use them. In fact, my ZoneAlarm even help out finding new threats and attackers via a third-party software called MyNetWatchman who collects firewalls/routers logs and warns ISP when someone repeadetly attacks other users.

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Internet Security programs always screws up all my multiplayer games, i couldn't connect just period. And since games' all i care about, so they're useless to me. And i've noticed that the symantec product loves to slow down internet connection, a couple days ago a customer's computer had Symantec NIS and NAV, and she had 56k... AHH internet was SLOW!! The computer wasn't bad a 1.8Duron with 384mb SDram. Spybot was downloading at 2k/s from download.com, which i know could go up to 300k/s at least on broadband. I'm sure if you have broadband IS programs aren't that bad, slowing you down by a little, but on dial up they're unusable. So now we just don't recommend IS programs anymore for 56k, for broadband we just recommend the cheap Dlink Router the DI604, it's not much more than OEM NIS.


So our recommendations for most users for security is router+NAV+adaware+Spybot+google toolbar.

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Internet Security programs always screws up all my multiplayer games, i couldn't connect just period.
I can only say one thing to you : you don't know how to configure the software or the software you use is CRAP. ZoneAlarm have no problem at all with online gaming, it can handle game hosting too pretty well. My ZoneAlarm is uptime 24/7 I never shut it down to let aprogram or game runs, because they all work. It's just a matter of config. And ZoneAlarm is easy to configure You have 4 options : allow/Block internet access, allow/block internet server (ALLOW for multiplayer games), Allow block LAN access and allow/block LAN server. t could not be simpler.

I don't know much about Norton IS, but it sounds CRAP. Please, don't tell anyone that all firewall are CRAP because one of those program is not good.

Zone Alarm (non PRO) is free for home users. But, I understand you, you don't want to have all those support calls from software firewall users, it's time consuming and it's not giving any money! It's easier to support Router users that plug it and forget about it! :smile: Business is business.

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The only one we sell is NIS so... We never recommend any freeware software firewall, yup you're right, we don't need more work than we already have.

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The only one we sell is NIS so...
Why do you sell it, if you don't like it/recommend it?

We never recommend any freeware software firewall
You don't make money with free software, it is why you never recommend them? :smile:

There is very good free software out there. The one that I strougly recommends to anyone who is low on budget and don't want to be illegal it's OpenOffice.org 1.1 that can replace MS-Office pretty well and it cost nothing.

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We always carry it because some people wants it. They just got the idea hammered into their heads, like people just WANTS the 9200se with 256mb of ram, because some dumb@ss somewhere told them it's a good card, people are arrogant but oh well, they end up suffering, complaining and blame everything on us.

We don't want people calling us about how to use a program which we didn't sell.

Now what's a good program for somebody on a low budget that wants to be illegal?

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