Question Completely Random System Kernel Error 41 Restarting PC

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Ok so this happens mostly when system is under no load or watching youtube. never happens when both gpu and cpu are a 100% playing games. but everytime it happened i was in a browser. could it be a virus?
 
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kingofsilence said:
Ok so this happens mostly when system is under no load or watching youtube. never happens when both gpu and cpu are a 100% playing games. but everytime it happened i was in a browser. could it be a virus?
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Mr. Google says this: Event ID: 41 Description: The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This event indicates that some unexpected activity prevented Windows from shutting down correctly. Such a shutdown might be caused by an interruption in the power supply or by a Stop error. It could be caused by a number of things, but I'd try another power supply, if one is available.
 
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DaleH said:
Mr. Google says this: Event ID: 41 Description: The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This event indicates that some unexpected activity prevented Windows from shutting down correctly. Such a shutdown might be caused by an interruption in the power supply or by a Stop error. It could be caused by a number of things, but I'd try another power supply, if one is available.
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The Event 41 is totally irrelevant.
It is simply a response from the system - "I shut down unexpectedly, and I do not know why. Human, please fix me".

It has nothing to do with "why".

Anyone with a bit of troubleshooting knowledge knows this.
 
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USAFRet said:
The Event 41 is totally irrelevant.
It is simply a response from the system - "I shut down unexpectedly, and I do not know why. Human, please fix me".

It has nothing to do with "why".

Anyone with a bit of troubleshooting knowledge knows this.
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It has to do with why, in that there is a reason for it to shutdown. A bit of troubleshooting knowledge tells me that correct operation has a lot to do with power. One would like to eliminate the power supply as a troubleshooting procedure. I've only got about 55 years of troubleshooting experience, so don't rely on my advice alone. Hope you get a response from one more helpful, than I.
 
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DaleH said:
It has to do with why, in that there is a reason for it to shutdown. A bit of troubleshooting knowledge tells me that correct operation has a lot to do with power. One would like to eliminate the power supply as a troubleshooting procedure. I've only got about 55 years of troubleshooting experience, so don't rely on my advice alone. Hope you get a response from one more helpful, than I.
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Yes, it could be the PSU. Even likely.

But it could also be the RAM, or GPU, or house power.
Or a lot of other things.

I could force an Event 41 response, by simply flipping the power switch on the back of the PSU.

Lets wait and see what parts he's working with, and other info, before guesssing identifying broken parts to be replaced.
 
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USAFRet said:
It could be a LOT of things.

We need much more info.

Like...everything.
To start, full specs of the system. Make/model of everything.
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CPU : Core i7 2600k
MB: Asus P8z68v-pro
RAM: 16
GPU: Asus GTX 1070ti turbo
PSU: 885 watts gold rated
The system is old. The psu has been working for 12 years. but it is understandable due to the fact that it's an overkill wattage for these specs. the whole thing barely draws 300 (probabely less) watts at max load. i did memtest and passed. did prime 95 and passed. the crash happens few and far between but it's alarming.
 
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kingofsilence said:
CPU : Core i7 2600k
MB: Asus P8z68v-pro
RAM: 16
GPU: Asus GTX 1070ti turbo
PSU: 885 watts gold rated
The system is old. The psu has been working for 12 years. but it is understandable due to the fact that it's an overkill wattage for these specs. the whole thing barely draws 300 (probabely less) watts at max load. i did memtest and passed. did prime 95 and passed. the crash happens few and far between but it's alarming.
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Agreed. Many, if not most, of the time, the only way to conclusively prove a component is bad is to temporarily replace with a known good part, by borrowing, buying, or some other source. If one observes smoke from a component, it's frequently the component that is defective.
 
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USAFRet said:
That does not tell us the make and model.
Wattage is semi irrelevant in this case.

But...12 year old PSU? That may well be the issue.
But seeing as the whole system is that old....
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thing is. i leave the system at max load for 6 hours and it's fine. then it's in semi idle browsing the web and somehow the chance of crashing goes up? that's the shared factor between all the crashes. the browser was open. i use Microsoft edge.
 
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kingofsilence said:
thing is. i leave the system at max load for 6 hours and it's fine. then it's in semi idle browsing the web and somehow the chance of crashing goes up? that's the shared factor between all the crashes. the browser was open. i use Microsoft edge.
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Still, an unknown PSU.

But all we know so far is this is an unexpected shutdown.
Could be a LOT of things.

Software, malware, the ancient PSU, some other ancient part in the system...
 
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DaleH said:
It has to do with why, in that there is a reason for it to shutdown. A bit of troubleshooting knowledge tells me that correct operation has a lot to do with power. One would like to eliminate the power supply as a troubleshooting procedure. I've only got about 55 years of troubleshooting experience, so don't rely on my advice alone. Hope you get a response from one more helpful, than I.
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55 years of experience on a PC?
 
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kingofsilence said:
thing is. i leave the system at max load for 6 hours and it's fine. then it's in semi idle browsing the web and somehow the chance of crashing goes up? that's the shared factor between all the crashes. the browser was open. i use Microsoft edge.
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You're assuming that max load is the only way a PSU can fail. *Changes* in a load can be just as problematic for an old PSU.

This is all premature, however. We need to know all the relevant facts in order to give responsible advice. My doctor is going to be less than helpful if I don't allow him to take my heart rate or blood pressure and instead lecture him on why that information isn't important in this specific case.
 
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