Considering upgrading my Xeon CPU - does one have to reload Windows 10 again.

[PeterZ640]

I guess I was a bit unlucky, I bought my CPU and MB in April, only to find the new E51650 Ver3 CPU has just been superceeded by the Ver 4 model this week!
Bad timing.
As I was trying to build the ultimated photo editing workstation, I am considering get the new processor and selling the old one. Hoping it wont cost me too much, and then calling it a day for a few years.

As it was all new CPU, MB, Ram and SSD, I naturally loaded Windows 10 afresh - And noticed in device manager there were lots of E51650 drivers ? Or controller ? or whatever they are called.

Hence my question, do I need to reload Windows for these to "take" or "load" or "install" or whatever the term is ( total newbie here ). Or can I just swap out the CPU and will it do it automatically?

Note I am sure many will think I am crazy, but it might help as I discovered my main application Photoshop only uses one of the six cores! Yes its very fast, but bluntly if the new CPU has a 10% increase in performance ( the version 2 to version 3 upgrade delivered ) it might be worth it to over come my application deficiency!

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

If you change motherboard, and your Windows copy is what's called "OEM", then yes, a new copy of Windows will be required, as the OEM is tied to a one time activation to the motherboard. Some people have gotten lucky by calling Microsoft and ask for a transfer, worth a shot(?).

All the best!

 

[PeterZ640]

I dont need to change my 2011 V3 socket motherboard, which is new. As both the Ver 3 and V 4 E5 1650 xenon's are supported.
My Windows 10 is the Home retail usb stick version.

 

[DonkeyOatie]

If all you have changed is your CPU, it is 'plug and play'. The OS is keyed to the Motherboard, not the CPU.

I did a bunch of research last year and was changing CPUs out every week (or less); no problems.

 

[PeterZ640]

If all you have changes is your CPU, it is 'plug and play'. The OS is keyed to the Motherboard, nit the CPU.

I did a bunch of research last year and was changing CPUs out every week (or less); no problems.

Thanks I was just concerned one needed to load the os for it to load the correct cpu "drivers" or "controllers"

 

[DonkeyOatie]

There may be driver differences, but that will not require a complete OS re-load.

The performance increase from Haswell (v3) to Broadwell (v4) is much less than 10%) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/31/intel_broadwell_ep_xeon_e5_2600_v4/ ('up to 5%', which usually means less in most cases) The V3 will turbo to 3.8Ghz on one core, and I'm not sure if the V4 has turbo, so you would be limited to stock 3.6Ghz.

What motherboard are you using?

What version of Photoshop? Photoshop CC has benefits in many operations of up to four cores, and even more for a very few (unsharp and color modes) and PS seems similar, but different. https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1358970

 

[johnbl]

edit: fixed a strange spell check auto correct
If you are talking about the same cpu but with a different stepping, you would not have to reinstall windows. Generally stepping fixes are reflected I bios updates and microscode patches installed buy a driver during each boot of Windows. (So you would not need to buy a updated cup when bug was found in the cpu. (Lot of bugs in cpu code (electronics))

 

[DonkeyOatie]

The OP changing generations from Haswell to Broadwell, with the same motherboard and an updated BIOS. They will have to update the BIOS.

 

[PeterZ640]

There may be driver differences, but that will not require a complete OS re-load.

The performance increase from Haswell (v3) to Broadwell (v4) is much less than 10%) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/31/intel_broadwell_ep_xeon_e5_2600_v4/ ('up to 5%', which usually means less in most cases) The V3 will turbo to 3.8Ghz on one core, and I'm not sure if the V4 has turbo, so you would be limited to stock 3.6Ghz.

What motherboard are you using?

What version of Photoshop? Photoshop CC has benefits in many operations of up to four cores, and even more for a very few (unsharp and color modes) and PS seems similar, but different. https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1358970

I too, noticed that the interim data on the V4 only cited 3.6 Ghz and no Turbo figure. But this does support Turbo 3.0 whatever thst is?
Imasked Intel support and they said they would check and email me but he has not yet replied.
I did notice the single core performance increase from V2 to V3 was ony 8%. I was hoping as this was a technology jump, it might be more ... But 5% is not so attractive 🙁🙁

My Mother board is the Supermicro X10SRA -0 a 2011 V3 socket. 40 pCIe lanes and 6 PCIe slots ( 2 are x16 both physical and electrical)

I am using Photoshop Elements 13.1 ( after their upgrade)

 

[PeterZ640]

The OP changing generations from Haswell to Broadwell, with the same motherboard and an updated BIOS. They will have to update the BIOS.

Supermicro state V4 is OK provided you have Bios Version 2.0. Which I do have however mine didnt have the latest ME FIRMWARE Version within that Bios, so need to check will that work, or do I need to reflash the bios which is how they said the ME Firmware got reflashed.
They recommended as it worked fine, leave it until the next bios update. As then then ME firmware update will take. And is not necessary.
Maybe best to wait and see how this V4 goes into Turbo mode. And at what speed. And is it all rock solid, and maybe Supermicro will release a version 2.1 that flashes my ME Firmware properly.
And also see if there are no problems with this motherboard and the V 4 CPUs.

 

[johnbl]

if you run windows and update the chipset drivers it will load
mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll
this does a microcode patch for machines that fail to update the BIOS for various reasons. I would not worry about a minor revision.

The OP changing generations from Haswell to Broadwell, with the same motherboard and an updated BIOS. They will have to update the BIOS.

Supermicro state V4 is OK provided you have Bios Version 2.0. Which I do have however mine didnt have the latest ME FIRMWARE Version within that Bios, so need to check will that work, or do I need to reflash the bios which is how they said the ME Firmware got reflashed.
They recommended as it worked fine, leave it until the next bios update. As then then ME firmware update will take. And is not necessary.
Maybe best to wait and see how this V4 goes into Turbo mode. And at what speed. And is it all rock solid, and maybe Supermicro will release a version 2.1 that flashes my ME Firmware properly.
And also see if there are no problems with this motherboard and the V 4 CPUs.

 

[DonkeyOatie]

I did not realize that your original motherboard as V4 compatible. Good for you. Elements 13.1 mostly uses one or two cores AFAIK. 🙁

What GPU do you have and are you using any GPU acceleration?

 

[PeterZ640]

if you run windows and update the chipset drivers it will load
mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll
this does a microcode patch for machines that fail to update the BIOS for various reasons. I would not worry about a minor revision.

The OP changing generations from Haswell to Broadwell, with the same motherboard and an updated BIOS. They will have to update the BIOS.

Supermicro state V4 is OK provided you have Bios Version 2.0. Which I do have however mine didnt have the latest ME FIRMWARE Version within that Bios, so need to check will that work, or do I need to reflash the bios which is how they said the ME Firmware got reflashed.
They recommended as it worked fine, leave it until the next bios update. As then then ME firmware update will take. And is not necessary.
Maybe best to wait and see how this V4 goes into Turbo mode. And at what speed. And is it all rock solid, and maybe Supermicro will release a version 2.1 that flashes my ME Firmware properly.
And also see if there are no problems with this motherboard and the V 4 CPUs.

I did not realize that your original motherboard as V4 compatible. Good for you. Elements 13.1 mostly uses one or two cores AFAIK. 🙁

What GPU do you have and are you using any GPU acceleration?

I currently use an MSI Gaming G4 GTX 970 running a single HP 4K monitor at 3830 x 2160 at 60Hz.
I dont know how you accellerate a GPU ? is that the same as overclocking it.?
And No I do not overclock it .

 

[PeterZ640]

Thanks thats very useful to know

if you run windows and update the chipset drivers it will load
mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll
this does a microcode patch for machines that fail to update the BIOS for various reasons. I would not worry about a minor revision.

The OP changing generations from Haswell to Broadwell, with the same motherboard and an updated BIOS. They will have to update the BIOS.

Supermicro state V4 is OK provided you have Bios Version 2.0. Which I do have however mine didnt have the latest ME FIRMWARE Version within that Bios, so need to check will that work, or do I need to reflash the bios which is how they said the ME Firmware got reflashed.
They recommended as it worked fine, leave it until the next bios update. As then then ME firmware update will take. And is not necessary.
Maybe best to wait and see how this V4 goes into Turbo mode. And at what speed. And is it all rock solid, and maybe Supermicro will release a version 2.1 that flashes my ME Firmware properly.
And also see if there are no problems with this motherboard and the V 4 CPUs.

 

[DonkeyOatie]

if you run windows and update the chipset drivers it will load
mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll
this does a microcode patch for machines that fail to update the BIOS for various reasons. I would not worry about a minor revision.

The OP changing generations from Haswell to Broadwell, with the same motherboard and an updated BIOS. They will have to update the BIOS.

Supermicro state V4 is OK provided you have Bios Version 2.0. Which I do have however mine didnt have the latest ME FIRMWARE Version within that Bios, so need to check will that work, or do I need to reflash the bios which is how they said the ME Firmware got reflashed.
They recommended as it worked fine, leave it until the next bios update. As then then ME firmware update will take. And is not necessary.
Maybe best to wait and see how this V4 goes into Turbo mode. And at what speed. And is it all rock solid, and maybe Supermicro will release a version 2.1 that flashes my ME Firmware properly.
And also see if there are no problems with this motherboard and the V 4 CPUs.

I did not realize that your original motherboard as V4 compatible. Good for you. Elements 13.1 mostly uses one or two cores AFAIK. 🙁

What GPU do you have and are you using any GPU acceleration?

I currently use an MSI Gaming G4 GTX 970 running a single HP 4K monitor at 3830 x 2160 at 60Hz.
I dont know how you accellerate a GPU ? is that the same as overclocking it.?
And No I do not overclock it .

No it isn't. Many 'Pro' GPUs will help with processing.

 

[PeterZ640]

if you run windows and update the chipset drivers it will load
mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll
this does a microcode patch for machines that fail to update the BIOS for various reasons. I would not worry about a minor revision.

The OP changing generations from Haswell to Broadwell, with the same motherboard and an updated BIOS. They will have to update the BIOS.

Supermicro state V4 is OK provided you have Bios Version 2.0. Which I do have however mine didnt have the latest ME FIRMWARE Version within that Bios, so need to check will that work, or do I need to reflash the bios which is how they said the ME Firmware got reflashed.
They recommended as it worked fine, leave it until the next bios update. As then then ME firmware update will take. And is not necessary.
Maybe best to wait and see how this V4 goes into Turbo mode. And at what speed. And is it all rock solid, and maybe Supermicro will release a version 2.1 that flashes my ME Firmware properly.
And also see if there are no problems with this motherboard and the V 4 CPUs.

I did not realize that your original motherboard as V4 compatible. Good for you. Elements 13.1 mostly uses one or two cores AFAIK. 🙁

What GPU do you have and are you using any GPU acceleration?

I currently use an MSI Gaming G4 GTX 970 running a single HP 4K monitor at 3830 x 2160 at 60Hz.
I dont know how you accellerate a GPU ? is that the same as overclocking it.?
And No I do not overclock it .

No it isn't. Many 'Pro' GPUs will help with processing.

Do you mean like Quadro's?
How do you make them help with processing?
Do I have to change any settings either in theBios or use some management sw for the gpu?

 

[DonkeyOatie]

Yes, like Quadro, the support double precision arithmetic. You need to look at your specific software and the list of GPUs that provide acceleration according to the vendor.

 

[PeterZ640]

Yes, like Quadro, the support double precision arithmetic. You need to look at your specific software and the list of GPUs that provide acceleration according to the vendor.

Wonder where you would find this info on PSE 13.1 ??

 

[PeterZ640]

Yes, like Quadro, the support double precision arithmetic. You need to look at your specific software and the list of GPUs that provide acceleration according to the vendor.

Wonder where you would find this info on PSE 13.1 ??

 

[DonkeyOatie]

I checked with Adobe's site (you could too). It seems that PSE 13 does not support CUDA.

 

[PeterZ640]

Oh dear!