Consumer Reports: Just Stick with Windows 7 For Now

[Guest]

Anyone who moans about Windows 8 in the business world should be given a choice of 'deal with it' or 'the sack'. Meanwhile the rest of us can get on with a much more productive system. Hopefully they do away with the desktop completely in Windows 9, it is an old 80s paradigm which has no place in 2012. Sales of the iPad demonstrate exactly this, and Apple have been introducing more and more from IOS into Mac OS. Eventually the two will converge.

As for Linux, it is utterly irrelevant. And even if it wasn't, the facts are that the leading distribution Ubuntu, has dropped the traditional desktop.

 

[groundrat]

Amen. I went straight to seven from XP. I plan to skip eight entirely, if possible.

 

[davewolfgang]

Anyone who moans about Windows 8 in the business world should be given a choice of 'deal with it' or 'the sack'. Meanwhile the rest of us can get on with a much more productive system. Hopefully they do away with the desktop completely in Windows 9, it is an old 80s paradigm which has no place in 2012. Sales of the iPad demonstrate exactly this, and Apple have been introducing more and more from IOS into Mac OS. Eventually the two will converge.

As for Linux, it is utterly irrelevant. And even if it wasn't, the facts are that the leading distribution Ubuntu, has dropped the traditional desktop.

Bwahahahahhahaaa - you have ZERO idea what you are talking about, and it's clear you aren't in any way knowledgeable about anything Business.

International Company with a quarter million employees plus - STILL ON XP - haven't even moved to 7 yet. You know how I know - because I WORK THERE.

Another smaller company (~250 employees) I do work for - just NOW starting to migrate to 7 - and after testing 8 - have ZERO plans to ever go to it.

So I can say with 1,000,000,000,000% certainty, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[groundrat]

Bwahahahahhahaaa - you have ZERO idea what you are talking about, and it's clear you aren't in any way knowledgeable about anything Business.

International Company with a quarter million employees plus - STILL ON XP - haven't even moved to 7 yet. You know how I know - because I WORK THERE.

Another smaller company (~250 employees) I do work for - just NOW starting to migrate to 7 - and after testing 8 - have ZERO plans to ever go to it.

So I can say with 1,000,000,000,000% certainty, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Harsh, but necessary.

Good on you.

Same here, I work for the DOD We didn't adopt seven until last October. No plans for eight, ever.

 

[Guest]

I really love the Windows 8 intuitive features. The corners on the desktop are an easy-going feature. http://www.pallareviews.com/743/windows-7-vs-windows-8-vs-os-x-lion-comparison-differences/

 

[Guest]

I have 2 laptops that were exactly the same, one with windows 7 and the other with windows 8, the windows 7 machine just flies and multitasking is a breeze, the windows 8 laptop SUCKS, it boots blow, it feels slow in just about every way and because its partially integrated into the bios i just cant seem to install windows 7 on it and dual booting or booting from a flash drive just does not work, multitasking is horrendous, its just a crippled husk of an OS.

The "modern UI" looks fancy, but without a touch screen it make absolutely no sense. Settings and what was previously the control panel feel scattered, nothing is where i feel it should be, gaming performance is stated to better but from what i have seen and heard its the same or up to 40% worse, productivity feels almost non-existent, it tries to throw full screen in your face at all times. Its extremely anti-intuitive, when I think of an interface like that I think of a smart phone or a tablet, for both I would rather have Android.

If the future is more of this then Ill just hold onto windows 7, by the time that OS is not longer supported I may just go the Linux route and leave microsoft behind

 

[genz]

I have 2 laptops that were exactly the same, one with windows 7 and the other with windows 8, the windows 7 machine just flies and multitasking is a breeze, the windows 8 laptop SUCKS, it boots blow, it feels slow in just about every way

If so, it's either a user error, specs or bloatware preinstalled. Windows 8 is faster than Win7 in almost every way, albeit not by a huge margin.

and because its partially integrated into the bios i just cant seem to install windows 7 on it and dual booting or booting from a flash drive just does not work, multitasking is horrendous, its just a crippled husk of an OS.

Boot from recovery partition or Win8 boot disk. Select 'disable secure boot' then reboot. Uncheck BIOS option. Reinstall Win7. Not that hard at all.

The "modern UI" looks fancy, but without a touch screen it make absolutely no sense. Settings and what was previously the control panel feel scattered, nothing is where i feel it should be, gaming performance is stated to better but from what i have seen and heard its the same or up to 40% worse, productivity feels almost non-existent, it tries to throw full screen in your face at all times. Its extremely anti-intuitive, when I think of an interface like that I think of a smart phone or a tablet, for both I would rather have Android.

Seriously do you actually have Win8? Modern UI makes tons of sense with a mouse/trackpad, it's just slightly different, the screen starts with the Start menu already open, if you knew anything about how the start menu works you would realize it's just a reskinned Start menu. Gaming performance is almost precisely the same on 99% of Win7 compatible games. Control Panel is easily found by typing Cpl, Cont, or clicking on my computer on the desktop then Control Panel, the same way you did it on Windows 95 and every other MS OS since.

If the future is more of this then Ill just hold onto windows 7, by the time that OS is not longer supported I may just go the Linux route and leave microsoft behind

If you and the media sheep that follow that mode of thinking represent the future of human intelligence then we won't survive the next 50 years. Actually attempt to use the tools you are given yourself. We have to learn to be self-taught and form our own opinions. This is something that is very important as human beings.

 

[Guest]

[citation][nom]genz[/nom]If so, it's either a user error, specs or bloatware preinstalled. Windows 8 is faster than Win7 in almost every way, albeit not by a huge margin. Boot from recovery partition or Win8 boot disk. Select 'disable secure boot' then reboot. Uncheck BIOS option. Reinstall Win7. Not that hard at all.Seriously do you actually have Win8? Modern UI makes tons of sense with a mouse/trackpad, it's just slightly different, the screen starts with the Start menu already open, if you knew anything about how the start menu works you would realize it's just a reskinned Start menu. Gaming performance is almost precisely the same on 99% of Win7 compatible games. Control Panel is easily found by typing Cpl, Cont, or clicking on my computer on the desktop then Control Panel, the same way you did it on Windows 95 and every other MS OS since.If you and the media sheep that follow that mode of thinking represent the future of human intelligence then we won't survive the next 50 years. Actually attempt to use the tools you are given yourself. We have to learn to be self-taught and form our own opinions. This is something that is very important as human beings.[/citation]
it was a fresh install of windows 8 with all the start programs disabled except what is necessary, no bloatware, and anything not worth while was disabled in msconfig. This laptop is a Sandy Bridge Pentium, its no Core i5 but it gets the job done for what ever I ask of it, I dont use that particular laptop for gaming because of the terrible integrated graphics, I was honestly impressed with the performance of it for what I needed it to do or would never have bought it, $300 well spend IMHO. I installed windows 8 on my gaming rig to get a firm grip of everything it had offer thus my statement that if performs worse for gaming. You dont understand the boot process for windows 8 with laptops that are shipped with it, I tried and looked up a solution and got nowhere, windows 7 just would NOT install, I have installed windows 7 a good 100 times, you would think it would be easy but it wasnt. I may try to make a UEFI bootable windows 7 disk which shouldnt even be necessary, thats pretty much the last thing I can think of at this point. People that use linux are typically more computer literate so your argument is invalid. Everything I know is self taught, hell I taught myself math from geometry all the way up to approximately 3 classes worth of calculus. i like to take on challenges and teach myself how to overcome them, to say i am not self-taught, to say i dont have my opinion is rather threatening to me because everything i know is self taught. most of the customers i have had have been through at least 3 idiots that couldnt fix a computer for the life of them, i get it done

 

[genz]

[citation][nom]genz[/nom]If so, it's either a user error, specs or bloatware preinstalled. Windows 8 is faster than Win7 in almost every way, albeit not by a huge margin. Boot from recovery partition or Win8 boot disk. Select 'disable secure boot' then reboot. Uncheck BIOS option. Reinstall Win7. Not that hard at all.Seriously do you actually have Win8? Modern UI makes tons of sense with a mouse/trackpad, it's just slightly different, the screen starts with the Start menu already open, if you knew anything about how the start menu works you would realize it's just a reskinned Start menu. Gaming performance is almost precisely the same on 99% of Win7 compatible games. Control Panel is easily found by typing Cpl, Cont, or clicking on my computer on the desktop then Control Panel, the same way you did it on Windows 95 and every other MS OS since.If you and the media sheep that follow that mode of thinking represent the future of human intelligence then we won't survive the next 50 years. Actually attempt to use the tools you are given yourself. We have to learn to be self-taught and form our own opinions. This is something that is very important as human beings.[/citation]
it was a fresh install of windows 8 with all the start programs disabled except what is necessary, no bloatware, and anything not worth while was disabled in msconfig. This laptop is a Sandy Bridge Pentium, its no Core i5 but it gets the job done for what ever I ask of it, I dont use that particular laptop for gaming because of the terrible integrated graphics, I was honestly impressed with the performance of it for what I needed it to do or would never have bought it, $300 well spend IMHO. I installed windows 8 on my gaming rig to get a firm grip of everything it had offer thus my statement that if performs worse for gaming. You dont understand the boot process for windows 8 with laptops that are shipped with it, I tried and looked up a solution and got nowhere, windows 7 just would NOT install, I have installed windows 7 a good 100 times, you would think it would be easy but it wasnt. I may try to make a UEFI bootable windows 7 disk which shouldnt even be necessary, thats pretty much the last thing I can think of at this point. People that use linux are typically more computer literate so your argument is invalid. Everything I know is self taught, hell I taught myself math from geometry all the way up to approximately 3 classes worth of calculus. i like to take on challenges and teach myself how to overcome them, to say i am not self-taught, to say i dont have my opinion is rather threatening to me because everything i know is self taught. most of the customers i have had have been through at least 3 idiots that couldn't fix a computer for the life of them, i get it done

For all those words, did you or did you not boot from the Win8 disk and disable Secure boot, because see no mention of it here.

And calculus does not make you smart, nor does throwing stupid ideas around to try and fix things. A GPT disk will get you nowhere. Secure Boot is designed to disallow new installs until it is disabled to stop root-kitting. Pull your head out of your backside and research your new product before you waste your time trying stupid complex stuff to fix it.


Put your ego away and read.
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/17058-secure-boot-enable-disable-uefi.html

 

[snowzsan]

[citation][nom]genz[/nom]If so, it's either a user error, specs or bloatware preinstalled. Windows 8 is faster than Win7 in almost every way, albeit not by a huge margin. Boot from recovery partition or Win8 boot disk. Select 'disable secure boot' then reboot. Uncheck BIOS option. Reinstall Win7. Not that hard at all.Seriously do you actually have Win8? Modern UI makes tons of sense with a mouse/trackpad, it's just slightly different, the screen starts with the Start menu already open, if you knew anything about how the start menu works you would realize it's just a reskinned Start menu. Gaming performance is almost precisely the same on 99% of Win7 compatible games. Control Panel is easily found by typing Cpl, Cont, or clicking on my computer on the desktop then Control Panel, the same way you did it on Windows 95 and every other MS OS since.If you and the media sheep that follow that mode of thinking represent the future of human intelligence then we won't survive the next 50 years. Actually attempt to use the tools you are given yourself. We have to learn to be self-taught and form our own opinions. This is something that is very important as human beings.[/citation]
it was a fresh install of windows 8 with all the start programs disabled except what is necessary, no bloatware, and anything not worth while was disabled in msconfig. This laptop is a Sandy Bridge Pentium, its no Core i5 but it gets the job done for what ever I ask of it, I dont use that particular laptop for gaming because of the terrible integrated graphics, I was honestly impressed with the performance of it for what I needed it to do or would never have bought it, $300 well spend IMHO. I installed windows 8 on my gaming rig to get a firm grip of everything it had offer thus my statement that if performs worse for gaming. You dont understand the boot process for windows 8 with laptops that are shipped with it, I tried and looked up a solution and got nowhere, windows 7 just would NOT install, I have installed windows 7 a good 100 times, you would think it would be easy but it wasnt. I may try to make a UEFI bootable windows 7 disk which shouldnt even be necessary, thats pretty much the last thing I can think of at this point. People that use linux are typically more computer literate so your argument is invalid. Everything I know is self taught, hell I taught myself math from geometry all the way up to approximately 3 classes worth of calculus. i like to take on challenges and teach myself how to overcome them, to say i am not self-taught, to say i dont have my opinion is rather threatening to me because everything i know is self taught. most of the customers i have had have been through at least 3 idiots that couldnt fix a computer for the life of them, i get it done

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Good on Genz for trying to be rational about it and actually attempt to understand where you're coming from but I'm not going to waste my time. You're a media sheep. You've never actually used Windows 8 short of trying it out in a retail store. How do I know? Because everything you've described it exactly how they act on display at Best Buy/Futureshop, and like stores. Preloaded with Norton 30 day trials and HP/Dell shovelware. So it's safe to say you do NOT own Windows 8 nor have you spent a significant amount of time on it. You've fail to understand the difference between apps and programs, you've made that painfully obvious. Windows 8 actually boots SIGNIFICANTLY faster than Windows 7, in all scenarios. For example I tested them both booting from a Corsair Force GT 120GB SSD. Windows 8 booted in 8 seconds (convenient) and Windows 7 was still 14 seconds. On a Western Digital Green 1TB drive Windows 8 booted in 11 seconds, where as Windows 7 was 27 seconds.

Just knock it off. You have no customers and if you do, I feel bad for them because you're ripping them off. I'm sure you don't even have any idea what TIM laptops use (there's two kinds!) Have a great day, moron.

 

[snowzsan]

Forgot to take your prozac ther Snowz???

Please don't post here again, we don't need your words.

I'll stop posting here Dave, when idiots like you stop pretending you're technologically knowledgeable. You're the equivalent of a monkey with a stick and a rock.

 

[davewolfgang]

Forgot to take your prozac ther Snowz???

Please don't post here again, we don't need your words.

I'll stop posting here Dave, when idiots like you stop pretending you're technologically knowledgeable. You're the equivalent of a monkey with a stick and a rock.

Then I guess the great performance review and raise I just got all by "fooling" my bosses in keeping all the desktops and servers running here, and I really don't know anything......right?

 

[genz]

Forgot to take your prozac ther Snowz???

Please don't post here again, we don't need your words.

I'll stop posting here Dave, when idiots like you stop pretending you're technologically knowledgeable. You're the equivalent of a monkey with a stick and a rock.

Then I guess the great performance review and raise I just got all by "fooling" my bosses in keeping all the desktops and servers running here, and I really don't know anything......right?

And I guess anyone can spew a great amount of unverifiable information to make it seem like they are knowledgeable. I will make a very good point though. In anticipation of Secure Boot becoming fully enforced, Linux are making a Secure Boot based bootloader that will let you boot non secure boot OS's