Core i5 Cranks up to 3.6 GHz?

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$562 for the 2.96 version? Yeah I would think that a Phenom II or the i7 920 would be a better buy. $196 doesn't seem so bad for the 2.66 version though I wonder how it's lack of hyper threading will affect it's performance. Looks like for now the Phenom II is still gonna be the better deal but we'll see how it plays out. Thing is, AMD needs to compete in the $200 - $400 mark for higher margins if they want to survive. Hopefully revisions in stepping on the PII will help it narrow the gap in performance, specifically by improving IPC.
 
The *2.93 ghz coming at $562 and the 2.66 at $196 makes it sound a bit fishy... Wonder what the 2.8 ghz one costs though (maybe around $300)
 
[citation][nom]The Third Level[/nom]i5 is gonna make Intel the winner again....AMD really needs a new plan.[/citation]

You wish! It looks like the i5 will perfomance will be behind that of the i7(dual channel memo opposed to triple in i7 among other features) Given the aggressive price cuts of the p2 today by AMD i doubt the i5 will stand a chance. Not unless intel does something.
I wonder how the its benches will compare to the core 2 quads ...
 
Is AMD taking government bailout or Intel assistance? There is no way AMD could make expensive chips, sell it below cost, make a profit and invest in R&D.

The best AMD chip is going for $245 and older chips below $150 because no one is willing to pay more for AMD (GM syndrome).
 
This is where the "tick-tock" strategy from Intel starts becoming a liability rather than an asset; too much, too fast, too soon. Most businesses have just finished upgrading their desktops to Skt775 let alone push a new Skt1156 and platform. The only saving grace for Intel will be the OEM markets. How much longer until C2D and C2Q are on the short list and Skt775 products and support are no longer available and you'll be forced to look for an E8600 on eBay?

The fact that Intel did not include hyperthreading with the 2.66GHz i5 is a kick in the teeth and extorts another $150+/- for only 200MHz and support for 4 more threads; where's the price for performance, where's the value in that?
 
[citation][nom]chunkymonster[/nom]This is where the "tick-tock" strategy from Intel starts becoming a liability rather than an asset; too much, too fast, too soon. Most businesses have just finished upgrading their desktops to Skt775 let alone push a new Skt1156 and platform.[/citation]
Wow, it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. "Skt775" or LGA775 was used on the Pentium 4's. It's been around for over half a decade. If you bought a new Desktop in the last 4 years with an intel processor, it was LGA775.

[citation][nom]chunkymonster[/nom]The fact that Intel did not include hyperthreading with the 2.66GHz i5 is a kick in the teeth and extorts another $150+/- for only 200MHz and support for 4 more threads; where's the price for performance, where's the value in that?[/citation]
Average Joe doesn't use enough multi-threaded software for it to be important. These Core i5's are just there to populate the new Core i series with low end and mid ranged components.
 
I'm not happy with the concept of dividing the mainstream and high-end with seperate sockets. It limits upgrade paths by a substantial amount. It definitely offers Intel the potential to make more money, but not if it annoys the consumer so much they switch to the other team.
 
Looks like intel are digging their grave. 3 different sockets will make it very expensive to upgrade as it will require a complete set of hardware. Oh and not forgetting the hefty price premium for features not supported by today's programs.
Why wont intel allow enthusiasts to pair the i5 with the X58? All i can think of is greed
 
When you say the price of something is 'around' $562, you are giving 3 significant figures for the number, suggesting that the variation would be in the range $561.50 to 562.49. A very narrow range an likely not what was meant. I suspect you meant the (correct) 'around $560' Make a note of this for next time. The former number is silly and displays a lack of basic mathematical skills.
 
"the enthusiast line makes up such a small part of intel's sales that it only makes sense to introduce the new consumer parts first."

I agree the enthusiats market is a small part of consumer sales but it has by far the loudest voice. It's just like the automobile market. Car companies don't build race cars to make money. They do it to build the community and fan base. AMD right now is only surviving because of it's die hard fans. Think about it. When Average Joe wants to go buy a computer what does he do. He asks his computer junkie nephew what to buy or he asks his Computer repair guy what to buy. The person he is asking is a predisposed to one brand or another and everyone he knows is probably using that brand. Intel invested in the enthusiast market put out super overclocking chips. It is the best thing they have ever done. The used to be extremely anti overclocking and viewed it almost as a form of theft.

AMD would be cleaning there clock still in sales if they hadn't courted the enthusiast market just beacuse there were so many AMD fanatics out there working in Best Buy and IT Depts. I used to be one. I worked in a computer store and would sell only AMD X2 all day long. But the Core 2 with it's 1ghz overclocks and the x58 with support for both crossfire and sli on one board has converted many of the enthusiats over to the intel camp. What did AMD do in response? Black Edition Processors. Definitely having the better chip plays a large role in there success but at some level it boils down to what the teenager working at best buy wants to sell you.
 
they must change sockets in order to get more money. go ahead minions, go buy your new $300 intel boards now to go along with your $500 processors! only intel by the way because we've locked out nvidia from making chipsets. oh and most importantly, get one of our really expensive $400 SSD drives while your at it.

Intels new moto might as well be "we'll suck $2000 out of you one way or another."
 
[citation][nom]moricon[/nom]Stupid Stupid Stupid, two different socket configurations now for running an Intel Processor( yes for different performance levels and pricing strategies[/citation]
Even worse... its three different sockets now:
LGA-775 for Core 2
LGA-1156 for Core i5
LGA-1366 for Core i7
This has got to be the stupidest thing Intel has ever done. Each upgrade path requires a completely new MB. And how long are these new platforms going to be around???
 
[citation][nom]PrangeWay[/nom]um I was under the impression i7 was already a dead path. There won't be any more i7 processors or uses for the socket...[/citation]
i knew it they will shrink the big potato i7 chip and switch to new socket when they got better technology , so that means bye bye socket 1366 :)
 
[citation][nom]Tindytim[/nom]I understand that, but why go 32nm? Why not start with a 45nm i5's, then make 32nm i7's? Average Joe doesn't care about overclocking, die shrinks, or TDP. Why would you give him the benefits when he wouldn't know the difference?[/citation]

Why make an intermediate step in technology when a better solution is ready to go? And, average Joe in this day and age does care about power consumption (though not very much), and smaller dies mean less energy used for the same performance. Of course, like sports cars, the greater efficiency to date has been focused on more horsepower, so overall consumption is not all that much less for desktops, but the 2 go hand-in-hand.

EVERYONE wants more power and less cost, which is what smaller die size is all about.

😉
 
It looks like they're dead determined to screw up i5, if performance is on par with i7, then nobody will buy i7, if they cripple performance enough, then it won't beat AMD's similarly priced options. There are markets(audio, video, graphics, programming, servers), who can make excellent use of a 6-core, if AMD beats Intel to a 6-core desktop version, then AMD will take a commanding market-share lead with that crowd.
 
2.96 GHz Core i5 will cost around $562 USD
OMG Maybe if I sell my soul I can get one.. LOL
LAME!
When you take a look at the performance you get for the money it is still more cost effective to get a Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad.
In only a few years these (i5) will loose so much value you will regret ever buying them.
Personally I've been thinking I'd like to upgrade to Core 2 Duo E8500 ($176) but even that is a serious price jump from the slower E7400 ($117). But I may choose the E8500 cause even though it is about $60 more it runs with the best CPU's despite it being only a dual core. The E8500 will likely only loose a little bit of value while that i5 cpu will loose hundreds in value. In the computer industry it's always better to make small, frequent, inexpensive upgrades than to spend $600 and hope your good for 3 years. In that time I could easily spend half that and end up with the same or better proccessor than buying a $600 cpu now. The bottom line I am trying to get accross to you people is that I don't reccomend spending over $250 for ANY computer component (including video cards).
That $600 video card will be worth next to nothing in only a couple years same as your CPU. I'd also like to add that people tend to spend too much on motherboards too. If you don't need it OR aren't going to have 2 video cards DON'T BUY A MOTHERBOARD WITH SLI/CrossFire capability. They are exponentionally more expensive.
 
[citation][nom]sublifer[/nom]Even worse... its three different sockets now:LGA-775 for Core 2LGA-1156 for Core i5LGA-1366 for Core i7This has got to be the stupidest thing Intel has ever done. Each upgrade path requires a completely new MB. And how long are these new platforms going to be around???[/citation]

i think its worse than you than think:
LGA-775 for Core 2
LGA-1156 for Core i5
LGA-1160 for Core i5 with crap grafix
LGA-1366 for Core i7
 
I'm guessing the most important question for enthusiasts (who are not super rich) who have not pulled the trigger on something recently is will the 2.66 i5 overclock like a beast or not.
 
The part of this that just floors me...is that intel, in the footsteps of AMD, keeps putting more and more (for good reason) motherboard function onto the processor. This effectively reduces the items on the motherboard...and their motherboards have by far the crappiest on board graphics currently. Yet they still charge outrageous prices for them and get away with it. The price premium they put on their boards and mb chips is just silly to me personally.
 
Socket 1156? So wait, Intel is going to have TWO mainstream sockets now? Or is socket 1156 only intended for business customers?

If its a market wide shift, then I've never seen this before: two mainstream sockets at once. Why make customers start at socket 1156, have to buy a new processor and motherboard (therefor), and then if they want to upgrade to the best stuff they have to buy a new motherboard and processor AGAIN?
 
if the highest-end i5 is over $500, why not just get the low-end i7 and save $200 on the cpu? then you could get a video card that doesn't have to deal with intel's graphics drivers...
 
what are you guys complaining about? This thing will clearly stomp the q6600 for the same price it sells for now whats not to like with that?

I wanted to build a quad core box with the price of a q6600, the single threaded app speed of a fast dual core, quad core performance of a i7 for multitasking, and a 95w TDP instead of 130w and soon that will be another option!!

Personally I am going to use an I5 @2.66 with windows 7 to build an all around blazing fast stable comp for my Dad that will last for a while and I can't wait to see how it turns out. I have a feeling it will take down my q9550@3.2 that i'm using now for a lot less then i paid for it last novmeber. Also waiting for Intel's gulftown 6 core for my next home cpu buy 😛

I like the phenom 940 too but its AMD's fastest chip and it wasn't out when i got my q9550 and the fact that it runs @3.0 and performs about the same as intels last generation q9550 @2.83 is not impressing me.

Losing clock for clock to Intel's last generation q9650 let alone the i7.... amd fan boys think what you want numbers don't lie 😉
 
So intel is going to have 3 desktop socket standards... wow, what a mess. Okay, the i7 is Intel's flag ship. The i5 is supposed to be cheaper and slower... which should put it inline with Core2... which AMD is now equal to or better. Why bother with making the i5? Seriously, S775 is just as incompatible with the i7. Someone who gets an i5 PC and later wants to upgrade... will have to replace the whole board... wait, Intel loves that. They sell more boards that way!

AMD's AM3 socket is here to stay for quite a while. The AM2+ socket Allowing easy upgrades from a bottom end $30 single-core CPU to their $250 quad with DDR2. Or their X3~X4 CPUs with DDR3.

So i5 is going to totally replace Core2..? Still, having at least 2 different sockets is problems for upgraders. AMD went through that with socket 754 & 939. 754 was lower end. 939 eventually moved to dual core.
 
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