Question Corsair Vengeance BSOD problems

[saltlife97]

Hello everyone, as the title reads I have been having BSOD problems due to my Vengeance 6000 mhz ram (4 sticks 64gb). I bought 2x16gb a few months before buying another 2x16gb. I was having the same problems before adding the extra two sticks, and I had thought maybe the extra ram would help. I am aware combining sticks from different kits is generally not good. I've read here that Vengeance ram doesnt play well with Ryzen builds. My question is, I just ordered this (Kingston fury) and wanted to know if there are known instablity issues between Kingston Fury and Ryzen builds. Should I cancel the order and go with G.Skill? I used to use G.Skill ram before on my Ryzen 5000 series and below builds, zero issues. Once I upgraded to 7800x3d in 2024, I swapped to Vengeance and have had problems since. All drivers are up to date. I have found I can stop the BSOD from happening for several days, sometimes weeks, by lowering the RAM speeds, currently at 5400mhz, down from 6000mhz. The problem always comes back though. Current specs are below.

GPU - MSI RTX 3080 10GB
CPU - Ryzen 7 7800x3D
MOBO - ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming
RAM - Corsair Vengeance 4x16GB 6000mhz DDR5
PSU - Corsair RMX Series (2021), RM1000x
COOLING - NZXT Kraken Elite 360
STORAGE - Samsung 990 EVO Plus 2TB
Samsung 980 1TB
WD Elements External HDD 5TB

 

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RAM - Corsair Vengeance 4x64GB 6000mhz DDR5
Got a link to the ram kit you're working with?

I bought 2x32gb a few months before buying another 2x32gb.
On a side note can you look at the PCB versions for both ram kits? Corsair is the only brand for memory that have PCB versions since they source ram IC's from multiple vendors.

I've read here that Vengeance ram doesnt play well with Ryzen builds.
To add, when looking at ram for AM5 platforms, you're advised to stick to the memory QVL or ram kits that have AMD's E.X.P.O advertised on the packaging or product site.

G.Skill's ram lineup meant for AM5 platforms are any kit with Neo on the naming.

MOBO - ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming
What BIOS version are you on for your motherboard?

 

[saltlife97]

RAM - Corsair Vengeance 4x64GB 6000mhz DDR5
Got a link to the ram kit you're working with?

I bought 2x32gb a few months before buying another 2x32gb.
On a side note can you look at the PCB versions for both ram kits? Corsair is the only brand for memory that have PCB versions since they source ram IC's from multiple vendors.

I've read here that Vengeance ram doesnt play well with Ryzen builds.
To add, when looking at ram for AM5 platforms, you're advised to stick to the memory QVL or ram kits that have AMD's E.X.P.O advertised on the packaging or product site.

G.Skill's ram lineup meant for AM5 platforms are any kit with Neo on the naming.

MOBO - ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming
What BIOS version are you on for your motherboard?

current kit purchased first kit Feb 2024, and second kit June 2024 to make a total of 64gb

Not sure how to find PCB version, google said it’s on the stick itself. here is a picture of my ram sticks.

BIOS version 1636

 

[JayGau]

I've read here that Vengeance ram doesnt play well with Ryzen builds.

That’s simply not true. It's like saying Gigabyte RTX graphics cards don't play well with Ryzen builds. Corsair doesn't make RAM (the same way Gigabyte doesn't make GPUs). Micron and Samsung do. Corsair, like any other RAM manufacturers, mostly "wrap" the sticks with their branding and sets the XMP and EXPO profile. But Ryzen requires different timing and voltage than Intel CPUs, so it's important to either get a certified EXPO RAM kit or set the proper values if you have a Ryzen.

I did this mistake of buying a Vengeance XMP kit a few months ago for my 9800x3d and got plenty of crashes after enabling EXPO. Once I realized my mistake, all I had to do was to increase the voltage and tweak the timing a little bit to match the Corsair EXPO kit equivalent and everything was fine.

 

[saltlife97]

That’s simply not true. It's like saying Gigabyte RTX graphics cards don't play well with Ryzen builds. Corsair doesn't make RAM (the same way Gigabyte doesn't make GPUs). Micron and Samsung do. Corsair, like any other RAM manufacturers, mostly "wrap" the sticks with their branding and sets the XMP and EXPO profile. But Ryzen requires different timing and voltage than Intel CPUs, so it's important to either get a certified EXPO RAM kit or set the proper values if you have a Ryzen.

I did this mistake of buying a Vengeance XMP kit a few months ago for my 9800x3d and got plenty of crashes after enabling EXPO. Once I realized my mistake, all I had to do was to increase the voltage and tweak the timing a little bit to match the Corsair EXPO kit equivalent and everything was fine.

Unfortunately for me, I have zero knowledge about changing voltages/timing/overclocking. In the description of my ram on the Amazon page it says AMD expo compatibility, but when I enable expo I can’t even boot. So I just set the frequency manually without touching anything else.

EDIT: iCue just gave me an error message when I tried to visit the "performance manager" tab. The error tells me I am using DRAM modules with different profiles at the same time. I guess one of the kits is XMP and the other is EXPO. I dont understand how that can happen if I purchased the same kit in June 24 as I did in February 24. Same model numbers and everything.

 

[saltlife97]

current kit purchased first kit Feb 2024, and second kit June 2024 to make a total of 64gb

Not sure how to find PCB version, google said it’s on the stick itself. here is a picture of my ram sticks.

BIOS version 1636

Also I have just updated my bios to version 3265 which was released 18 days ago, so now my bios is up to date. Still can’t boot with EXPO 1 enabled. Currently the PC is running with expo off and the “memory frequency” tab below the expo tab set to 5800mhz.

 

[JayGau]

Unfortunately for me, I have zero knowledge about changing voltages/timing/overclocking. In the description of my ram on the Amazon page it says AMD expo compatibility, but when I enable expo I can’t even boot. So I just set the frequency manually without touching anything else.

EDIT: iCue just gave me an error message when I tried to visit the "performance manager" tab. The error tells me I am using DRAM modules with different profiles at the same time. I guess one of the kits is XMP and the other is EXPO. I dont understand how that can happen if I purchased the same kit in June 24 as I did in February 24. Same model numbers and everything.

The differences can be very subtle. For example, Vengeance XMP kits usually run at 1.35 V while the EXPO kits require 1.4 V. This won't appear in the model name and can be easy to miss, but it makes the difference between a stable system and constant BSODs.

 

[saltlife97]

The differences can be very subtle. For example, Vengeance XMP kits usually run at 1.35 V while the EXPO kits require 1.4 V. This won't appear in the model name and can be easy to miss, but it makes the difference between a stable system and constant BSODs.

The sticker on the ram stick itself says 1.4V on all 4 sticks. I think I will just wait for the Kingston to arrive and hopefully that will solve my problem.