[SOLVED] CPU for a 2080 ti?

[Dankdab]

I AM CANADIAN BY THE WAY SO MY DOLLAR VALUE IS POO

Boxing day is coming up AND Thread-Ripper JUST came out and I currently have an i7 6700k cooled with a Coolermaster 212 EVO and a z270-k board with 16gb of lpx vengence ram, anyways.

I believe the time to upgrade is NOW and i would love to go AMD because they offer AMAZING cpu's for HALF the price that intel would charge so I was thinking of a 3700x but I do not know which type of motherboard and ram I should buy with it and will I need a new CPU Cooler? or does the 3700x come with one that is sufficient.

My other idea for a CPU to buy is the new Thread-Ripper CPU's SUCH AS THE AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1920X (12-core/24-thread) (Which is my desired cpu because i mean 12 cores and 24 threads? i'll be set for life)

I obviously will need a new MOBO and RAM for either one of these cpu's. I do not care for extra features whatsoever I just want the MOBO to work with either one of the new amd cpu's.

Although i do care for ram speeds somewhat, my question is which MOBO can without those extra crazy features that will just work with the two cpu's i've chosen to possibly buy and what RAM it would be good for.

Thankyou very much for reading and helping me if you do because i really do need help <3

Sincerely, Danknuggs

 

[sizzling]

I'll just get the one you offered but I am upgrading to play cyberpunk 2077 and escape from tarkov,

why cant i play in 1080p btw with a 2080ti and a 3800x

You can play 1080p with a 2080Ti and 3800x it’s just the 2080Ti is not going to be fully utilised. The 2080Ti is like a high performance race engine and your trying to run a family hatchback with it (1080p monitor). You can do it but the engine is never used to it’s full potential.

 

[Dankdab]

Which ram somewhat depends on motherboard, but this is generally a safe choice.

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which motherboard would you pick for with the ram you suggested?

 

[Dankdab]

You can play 1080p with a 2080Ti and 3800x it’s just the 2080Ti is not going to be fully utilised. The 2080Ti is like a high performance race engine and your trying to run a family hatchback with it (1080p monitor). You can do it but the engine is never used to it’s full potential.

That makes sense, but when i see benchmarks such as

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1blcF1FIr-w&t=468s
the 1080p slide shows way better performance than for 1440p

 

[mdd1963]

One must weigh the cost/performance advantages of one cpu over another (3700/3800X vs. 9700K/9900K) themselves. Intel's 9900K does cost more, but, no one can deny it generally has an advantage at 1080P gaming for 144 Hz monitors using a 2080Ti!

 

[boju]

I noticed some people are getting 2080Tis and adjusting the resolution scaling like above, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
There has to be a downside of doing that... but I don't know what it is.



Wouldn't the image just be zoomed in, reducing your FOV, since 1080p monitor sizes are smaller than 4K ones? Serious question, because I have no idea about the resolution scaling thing.

Similar to Nvidia's DSR, all it does is renders frames in a higher resolution and scales it back to native. Res scaling or DSR, like aa, are other methods to improve image quality. Can have a huge impact on performance if set too strong or run multiple methods simultaneously. I wouldn't do that lol.

 

[SlugBugBuddy]

Keep in mind if you get a B450 motherboard for a 3rd gen ryzen CPU, odds are, it will require a BIOS update. nobody else mentioned it on here, so.....

not really a big deal, I would just suggest an X570 motherboard so you can utilize PCIe 4.0 from the 3700X, giving your 2080Ti extra juice, although X570's will be considerably more expensive

 

[Karadjgne]

To understand what ppl are trying to say, you need to understand the relationship of cgp to gpu to fps.

The cpu sets the fps. It takes the game code and pre-renders every frame. It'll do so as fast as it can, according to the game code optimization. Whether that's using 2 threads or 10 threads is upto how the game code is written. But the fps is finite, there's a limit as to how much.

The cpu ships those pre-rendered frames to the gpu, which finish renders the frame according to detail settings and resolution.

With a 2080ti at 1080p, the gpu is plenty strong enough that any fps sent will be fully rendered, no matter what settings, professional reviews do this to eliminate any bottleneck due to gpu. You'll get the same fps no matter low or ultra. And barely use any of the gpu's full potential as a result. The only monitors capable are the new (real, not doublered) 240Hz monitors, and even then you'll run into cpu caps far more often than gpu limitations.

You'd be buying a Ferrari and driving it around town. Yes, everybody goes 'ooo-ahh, nice ride!' but honestly what's the purpose of spending $200k+ for a 350km/h car, when the speed limit is 50km/h.

A 1440p or 4k monitor would be taking that Ferrari to the race track and really seeing how well you can drive. And maybe you'd not get to 350km/h after all, too many curves.

Asus Tuff Gaming X570 or Gigabyte Aorus Elite X570 are the best boards there are for a 3700x/3800x and not break the bank. More expensive than their B450 brethren, but will allow anything to open to full potential, be it 3600-3733MHz ram, cpu, pcie4.0 drives etc.

And no, the Hyper212 isn't going to cut it, you'll want something better, quieter, more worthy of sitting in a top-line pc. Seriously, can't believe you even considered slapping a $30 budget cooler on a $450 cpu

 

[Dankdab]

To understand what ppl are trying to say, you need to understand the relationship of cgp to gpu to fps.

The cpu sets the fps. It takes the game code and pre-renders every frame. It'll do so as fast as it can, according to the game code optimization. Whether that's using 2 threads or 10 threads is upto how the game code is written. But the fps is finite, there's a limit as to how much.

The cpu ships those pre-rendered frames to the gpu, which finish renders the frame according to detail settings and resolution.

With a 2080ti at 1080p, the gpu is plenty strong enough that any fps sent will be fully rendered, no matter what settings, professional reviews do this to eliminate any bottleneck due to gpu. You'll get the same fps no matter low or ultra. And barely use any of the gpu's full potential as a result. The only monitors capable are the new (real, not doublered) 240Hz monitors, and even then you'll run into cpu caps far more often than gpu limitations.

You'd be buying a Ferrari and driving it around town. Yes, everybody goes 'ooo-ahh, nice ride!' but honestly what's the purpose of spending $200k+ for a 350km/h car, when the speed limit is 50km/h.

A 1440p or 4k monitor would be taking that Ferrari to the race track and really seeing how well you can drive. And maybe you'd not get to 350km/h after all, too many curves.

Asus Tuff Gaming X570 or Gigabyte Aorus Elite X570 are the best boards there are for a 3700x/3800x and not break the bank. More expensive than their B450 brethren, but will allow anything to open to full potential, be it 3600-3733MHz ram, cpu, pcie4.0 drives etc.

And no, the Hyper212 isn't going to cut it, you'll want something better, quieter, more worthy of sitting in a top-line pc. Seriously, can't believe you even considered slapping a $30 budget cooler on a $450 cpu

Keep in mind if you get a B450 motherboard for a 3rd gen ryzen CPU, odds are, it will require a BIOS update. nobody else mentioned it on here, so.....

not really a big deal, I would just suggest an X570 motherboard so you can utilize PCIe 4.0 from the 3700X, giving your 2080Ti extra juice, although X570's will be considerably more expensive

is this worth the money? i really just want to get the 3800x to work

PS, This is my Motherboard i wanted to buy
GIGABYTE B450 AORUS Elite (AMD Ryzen AM4/ M.2 Thermal Guard/Hmdi/DVI/USB 3.1/DDR4/ATX/Motherboard)

 

[Karadjgne]

Good board. Gigabyte has really stepped up their game with the Aorus boards, they pretty much are setting the bar. Beat them or fail.

 

[boju]

How would the op know if the bios is updated? Like a sticker on the box or bios chip?

 

[Dankdab]

Good board. Gigabyte has really stepped up their game with the Aorus boards, they pretty much are setting the bar. Beat them or fail.

does this 3800x come with a cooler?

 

[Phaaze88]

does this 3800x come with a cooler?

It does, but you may want to replace it anyways as it can get loud - 3000rpm fan equipped.

 

[Dankdab]

It does, but you may want to replace it anyways as it can get loud - 3000rpm fan equipped.

as long as i runs cool and i just want to get this straight a 3800x is good cpu for the 2080 ti msi trio? UNTIL i upgrade my monitor to 1440p/4k???

 

[Karadjgne]

Yes.

 

[Dankdab]

Yes.

ty so am i okay with the stock cooler it comes with or do i HAVE to upgrade a cooler

also guess i cant use my 212 evo on the 3800x lol

 

[Karadjgne]

Perfectly fine with the stock cooler, the Wraiths are very decent for stock, the Prism is about equitable to the hyper212, but I'm doubting you have the AM4 mount for it unless it's a recent purchase.

The Prism actually works better than the hyper212 in that it's a downdraft style cooler, so pushes plenty of air over the socket area, VRM's etc that the hyper212 doesn't so much, being a tower.

Plus I think the RGB on the Prism is the right amount of accent, not overblown like some fans are getting nowadays.

 

[Dankdab]

Perfectly fine with the stock cooler, the Wraiths are very decent for stock, the Prism is about equitable to the hyper212, but I'm doubting you have the AM4 mount for it unless it's a recent purchase.

The Prism actually works better than the hyper212 in that it's a downdraft style cooler, so pushes plenty of air over the socket area, VRM's etc that the hyper212 doesn't so much, being a tower.

Plus I think the RGB on the Prism is the right amount of accent, not overblown like some fans are getting nowadays.

just a last second question if i theoretically went intel instead AMD what cpu would you reccommend besides i9-99900k obvs <3 much love thank for help

 

[Karadjgne]

I7-9700k or I9-9900k/s are the only real performance choices for Intel. Otherwise it's skip all the way down to the i5-9400f. Everything in between doesn't warrant consideration, a few 100MHz on stock clocks at considerably higher prices for the same 6/6 cpu. Even the I5-9600k just adds OC ability, which might help fps a little, now, but still 6/6.

 

[joeblowsmynose]

I noticed some people are getting 2080Tis and adjusting the resolution scaling like above, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
There has to be a downside of doing that... but I don't know what it is.



Wouldn't the image just be zoomed in, reducing your FOV, since 1080p monitor sizes are smaller than 4K ones? Serious question, because I have no idea about the resolution scaling thing.

I do this on my current rig -- not to 4k because I only have an RX580 but I play Elite Dangerous at 1440p and downscale to 1080p at the GPU level. Not sure about NVidia but for AMD gpus the feature is right there in the displays panel (or wherever the hell they put it in the new interface that just launched). When enabled, you'll get all the resolution options your GPU can run at, and the GPU downscales to 1080p just before display, so there's no change in FOV, etc. It works for Windows as well as games.

What this does is give you incredibly sharp visuals, and reduces or eliminates the need for AA altogether as the downscaling automatically removes the jaggies. So overall my FPS isn't hit too hard and my image quality is superior. Elite Dangerous has crazy jaggies and needs a super strong AA to get it under control ... render at 1440p downscaled pretty much accomplishes the same. To get benefit you need some extra FPS to work with; if you find a game really needs a heavy AA application to look good, its worth giving a try.

EDIT: I see this was already somewhat answered ... I should read through a full thread first.

 

[Phaaze88]

I do this on my current rig -- not to 4k because I only have an RX580 but I play Elite Dangerous at 1440p and downscale to 1080p at the GPU level. Not sure about NVidia but for AMD gpus the feature is right there in the displays panel (or wherever the hell they put it in the new interface that just launched). When enabled, you'll get all the resolution options your GPU can run at, and the GPU downscales to 1080p just before display, so there's no change in FOV, etc. It works for Windows as well as games.

What this does is give you incredibly sharp visuals, and reduces or eliminates the need for AA altogether as the downscaling automatically removes the jaggies. So overall my FPS isn't hit too hard and my image quality is superior. Elite Dangerous has crazy jaggies and needs a super strong AA to get it under control ... render at 1440p downscaled pretty much accomplishes the same. To get benefit you need some extra FPS to work with; if you find a game really needs a heavy AA application to look good, its worth giving a try.

EDIT: I see this was already somewhat answered ... I should read through a full thread first.

I still found it helpful.
So there's no real downside to it, but greater render scales require stronger hardware.
Seems redundant though.

 

[joeblowsmynose]

I still found it helpful.
So there's no real downside to it, but greater render scales require stronger hardware.
Seems redundant though.

The visual quality overall is definitely better than just the AA it provides. Its something you just have to see to determine the value. I do a fair bit of 3D rendering and video work and one of the rules for maximum image quality is to render/shoot in as high of resolution you economically can, then downscale for the final product. Its pretty much a standard in those industries to do this and this is just the application for that concept applied to gaming.

But yeah, if you don't have the extra FPS to work with, its pointless.

 

[rigg42]

The 2080 ti is the worst value GPU in the history of PC gaming. It's an enthusiast part for people who don't care about value. That's fine but I sincerely hope anybody who buys one understands that. Using it at 1080p for anything but to benchmark CPU's is silly. Cyberpunk is the type of game that will be perfectly fine as long as over 60 FPS is maintained.



Since your original post mentions CPU cost I have to assume you care about value overall. If this is the case than buy a 5700xt, 2070 super, or even a used 1080 ti if you can find one for $400 US or less. Pair that up with any 7nm Ryzen CPU, a sub $200 x570, a 3600 mhz RAM kit (preferably a cheap B die kit), and a good quality 650w or more PSU. Toss that into a well ventilated case with a quality cooler and some good quiet fans. Add storage to taste and you've likely just built an entire system for less than a 2080 ti costs.



You'll get 75% of the performance for half the cost of a 2080 ti based rig. This obsession with super high frame rates is starting to get ridiculous. Why anyone cares about high frame rates in anything but competitive shooters and E sports games is beyond me. Any of the GPU's I mentioned would run these types of games easily at 144+ FPS.

 

[Dankdab]

https://imgur.com/a/Eai5QQL

View: https://imgur.com/a/Eai5QQL
this is a link to the parts i also have a 750w evga psu and currently a Coolermaster 212 EVO on my i7-6700k do you guys think that would be better to put on the ryzen cpu or the Wraith Prism Cooler?

but if you don't want to click the link heres the parts


G.SKILL 16GB (2 x 8GB) Ripjaws V Series DDR4 PC4-25600 3200MHz Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16D-16GVKB

GIGABYTE B450 AORUS Elite (AMD Ryzen AM4/ M.2 Thermal Guard/Hmdi/DVI/USB 3.1/DDR4/ATX/Motherboard)

AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 8-core, 16-thread unlocked desktop processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler

 

[rigg42]

is this worth the money? i really just want to get the 3800x to work

PS, This is my Motherboard i wanted to buy
GIGABYTE B450 AORUS Elite (AMD Ryzen AM4/ M.2 Thermal Guard/Hmdi/DVI/USB 3.1/DDR4/ATX/Motherboard)

Good board. Gigabyte has really stepped up their game with the Aorus boards, they pretty much are setting the bar. Beat them or fail.

I respectfully disagree. The 300 and 400 series AM4 Gigabyte boards have god awful power delivery with the exception of the X470 Aorus Gaming 7 Wi-Fi. The Gaming 7 is currently too expensive to choose over an x570. The entire lineup should be completely avoided for anything but budget 6 core or less systems. Even then one of these Gigabyte boards would need a pretty compelling feature to consider vs alternatives.

The x570 (and z390 intel) Gigabyte boards are mostly excellent though. I have to respect that Gigabyte listened to the negative feedback on their poor VRM designs (and the dishonest marketing that surrounded them) and rectified these issues in more recent designs.

I personally think Asus has the best x570 lineup. The features, power delivery, and bios options are all on point across the entire lineup. Not that there aren't plenty of good options in x570. With the exception of a few crappy MSI and Asrock mobos, x570 boards range somewhere between very good and incredible.

The x570 Tuff Gaming you mentioned earlier is easily the best value x570 IMO.

Power delivery info for reference;

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...IVNyMatydkpFA/htmlview?sle=true#gid=639584818

 

[Dankdab]

The 2080 ti is the worst value GPU in the history of PC gaming. It's an enthusiast part for people who don't care about value. That's fine but I sincerely hope anybody who buys one understands that. Using it at 1080p for anything but to benchmark CPU's is silly. Cyberpunk is the type of game that will be perfectly fine as long as over 60 FPS is maintained.



Since your original post mentions CPU cost I have to assume you care about value overall. If this is the case than buy a 5700xt, 2070 super, or even a used 1080 ti if you can find one for $400 US or less. Pair that up with any 7nm Ryzen CPU, a sub $200 x570, a 3600 mhz RAM kit (preferably a cheap B die kit), and a good quality 650w or more PSU. Toss that into a well ventilated case with a quality cooler and some good quiet fans. Add storage to taste and you've likely just built an entire system for less than a 2080 ti costs.



You'll get 75% of the performance for half the cost of a 2080 ti based rig. This obsession with super high frame rates is starting to get ridiculous. Why anyone cares about high frame rates in anything but competitive shooters and E sports games is beyond me. Any of the GPU's I mentioned would run these types of games easily at 144+ FPS.

I respectfully disagree. The 300 and 400 series AM4 Gigabyte boards have god awful power delivery with the exception of the X470 Aorus Gaming 7 Wi-Fi. The Gaming 7 is currently too expensive to choose over an x570. The entire lineup should be completely avoided for anything but budget 6 core or less systems. Even then one of these Gigabyte boards would need a pretty compelling feature to consider vs alternatives.

The x570 (and z390 intel) Gigabyte boards are mostly excellent though. I have to respect that Gigabyte listened to the negative feedback on their poor VRM designs (and the dishonest marketing that surrounded them) and rectified these issues in more recent designs.

I personally think Asus has the best x570 lineup. The features, power delivery, and bios options are all on point across the entire lineup. Not that there aren't plenty of good options in x570. With the exception of a few crappy MSI and Asrock mobos, x570 boards range somewhere between very good and incredible.

The x570 Tuff Gaming you mentioned earlier is easily the best value x570 IMO.

Power delivery info for reference;

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...IVNyMatydkpFA/htmlview?sle=true#gid=639584818

https://www.amazon.ca/TUF-Gaming-X5...ds=asus+tuf+gaming+x570&qid=1576967182&sr=8-2 so this is the one you are talking about? and im not sure what power delivery is but why isn't it a good board for a 3800x for a rehtarde like myself im not worried about any extra features whatsoever just want it to last and work for a long time and get the most performance out of it but i never heard of getting a better MB for more fps...