Question CPU Temp Issues

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Some paste lines need to cure (eg Artic Silver), and I wouldn't be surprised this charactersitic was also present in a few lines from other brands.

More info: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/thermal-paste-curing.356195/

I was honestly NOT aware of this being a thing ("Curing") for thermal paste. Very good info. Much appreciated. Temps stayed low throughout the editing, other than a spike to 88 for Package, and 90 for P Core, otherwise they stayed normally lower. I may have fixed the issue, though i'd still LOVE to get a better cooler. Anyway, tyvm for that info,., and the link. New info. very useful to me for now, and later.

 

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Update:
1. Temps seem stable, occasional spikes but none to 100c, Package up to 90c, & P-Cores up to 93c. Continuing trying to stress it. Time will tell, I guess. This is with the default P-Core setting back in the BIOS, new thermal paste, & even upping RAM setting to 6000, and while utilizing the same programs (mainly vid editing) I was using when the problem initially began. (Fingers Crossed)...
2. Side Note: After enabling XMP & setting RAM to max for it @6000, all games would crash after maybe 5 minutes. So, I changed to XMP2, which I read does less "guess work" about the voltages and other RAM specs, & then the issues of crashing seemed to have gone away. I'm not sure if what I read is correct, or the "whole story," but people reported that XMP1, especially on my MB, was plagued with issues, and that XMP1 (as it also shows in BIOS) relies on more estimating/guessing by MB as to the voltages/etc. of the RAM, while XMP2 calls on and sets specific information from the RAM. This seemed to make sense to me, considering when in XMP1 many options were still set as "Auto" without auto-filling, but when set to XMP2 most fields auto-filled to specific settings.
Unsure if what I read is correct, but it seems to make sense...
In any case, if temp issues return, i'll update. Eventually i'll get a new Cooler, if I can find a decent one, that is confirmed to work with my MB without reported issues.
Thanks for the comments, thoughts, suggestions, information...
Carry on...

 

[35below0]

I looked up your motherboard memory QVL - https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboard...z690-e-gaming-wifi-model/helpdesk_qvl_memory/

filter G.Skill 2x32 kits for 12th gen K/KF cpus (though it's the same for all LGA1700 intels). No Trident G Skill Z5 DDR5 RGB - CAS: 36 36 36 96 is listed as compatible. That doesn't mean it cannot work, just that Asus has not confirmed it can work.
I checked G.Skill as well: https://www.gskill.com/configurator?page=1&cls=1529635169&manufacturer=1524725352&chipset=1635734167&model=1636007734&adSearch2=Capacity§64GB (32GBx2),
Can you confirm this is the kit you're using: https://www.gskill.com/product/165/374/1648545408/F5-5600J3636D32GX2-TZ5RK-F5-5600J3636D32GA2-TZ5RK ?
That is the only 2x32Gb Trident with RGB that is confirmed compatible with your motherboard.

Maybe you made a mistake and wrote the wrong numbers, or you are using an incompatible kit. This can screw up XMP and affect system stability.

 

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I looked up your motherboard memory QVL - https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboard...z690-e-gaming-wifi-model/helpdesk_qvl_memory/

filter G.Skill 2x32 kits for 12th gen K/KF cpus (though it's the same for all LGA1700 intels). No Trident G Skill Z5 DDR5 RGB - CAS: 36 36 36 96 is listed as compatible. That doesn't mean it cannot work, just that Asus has not confirmed it can work.
I checked G.Skill as well: https://www.gskill.com/configurator?page=1&cls=1529635169&manufacturer=1524725352&chipset=1635734167&model=1636007734&adSearch2=Capacity§64GB (32GBx2),
Can you confirm this is the kit you're using: https://www.gskill.com/product/165/374/1648545408/F5-5600J3636D32GX2-TZ5RK-F5-5600J3636D32GA2-TZ5RK ?
That is the only 2x32Gb Trident with RGB that is confirmed compatible with your motherboard.

Maybe you made a mistake and wrote the wrong numbers, or you are using an incompatible kit. This can screw up XMP and affect system stability.

I'll try to respond in order:
1. It's been a while since I looked at my RAM specs, it' snot impossible I mis-typed a number, but I vaguely remember getting them from a link relating to my specific RAM. I'd have to go to Amazon history to confirm for sure, because though they look the same...that's not really a good enough answer. Or, go back into BIOS to check (I vaguely remember seeing the numbers in there for CAS.).
I don't remember if I took those numbers (I listed) from the package, the site, etc. I just know I got them from somewhere relating to what was linked with, or to, my RAM. Hell, maybe I hit a key I didn't mean to, or was tired when noting the info. It happens.
2. Next, the board, from my reading has some issues with XMP1, and this is coming from MANY people i've seen posting about it in multiple forums, so i'm going to say it probably is an issue that truly exists, at least for many , not all. I researched this when I tried XMP1, then moved on in my process to attempt to get the RAM stable.
3. AS I said in my last post, XMP1 did NOTR work for me, and the system was unstable when gaming, consistent crashes after almost predictable amounts of time.
However, at that point, after reading that XMP1 relies more on estimates from MB and etc., while XMP2 takes info. directly from the RAM, or SOMEWHERE where it is considered "more accurate," I switched it to XMP2.
When I switched from XMP1 @6000, to XMP2 @6000, the system became completely stable, and after a few hours of testing (gaming, etc.) without 1 crash, i'm convinced it is stable (mostly, & for now, regarding the RAM situation) & XMP2 is working.
Now, if you have info. that XMP1 is "better," & you would educate me on this, i'd be glad to learn it, AND glad to attempt to find all correct information regarding my RAM to ensure I can input it into XMP1 Field Boxes, to see if I can get the "better" XMP1 set-up. But, if XMP2 is not "worse," & the only main difference (as I mentioned in my last post I was reading) is that XMP2 does most of the settings for me (Voltage, Timings, etc.), then i'll leave it where it seems to be stable.
I appreciate your comment, and i'm serious, if you have information I don't, indicating XMP1 is the "better" choice, and why, i'll gladly learn it from you. But, if they are (for all intents and purposes) essentially the same (xmp1 & xmp2 ), then for me right now it's a matter of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," lol, because it is stable with Temps & RAM @6000 right now, though I need to push it some more to feel 100% confident, which i'll do over the next few days. I haven't considered researching "XMP1 vs XMP2 performance" or other such research, but now i'll probably go do so, to educate myself.
In any case, I appreciate your time/info. (seriously), & i'll see if I can lock down the correct numbers, if mine aren't, just to edit the correct info. into this comment at some point in the near future, and fix the "disinformation" if that is what i'm pushing (lol) inadvertently. I learn as I go, and have no issue learning from others whom already know what I need to know.
Enjoy your day...

Edite to Add: Also, some of my reading reported that (I THINK I mentioned this in my lkas tpost, but not 100% certain) if you plan to put a certain amount of RAM in, you should try to buy it all at once, same package, so it came from same batch, to ensure better compatibility/stability when utilizing it all and with any attempts to OC, or UC, or adjust it for your system. I think I mentioned I had bought 2 sticks, THEN a month or 2 later bought the other 2, so it's not certain they were from the "same batch." Also, some people reported that trying to "max" their RAM @6000 when using all 4 DIMMS (correct word, I believe, but io'm tired so who knows) returned all kinds of issues for stability too. Some of the people reporting the 4 DIMMM issue, said they only got that amount of RAM working by buying the 64 Gigs in a 2x32 configuration, and then using the 2 & 4 DIMM slots. When I only had the 2x16, I DID have them in the 2x4, but then I bought the next set of 2x16, so of course I am using all 4 DIMMS. *Just wanted to add this info. But, again, it seems very stable right now, using XMP2 @6000...& it very well could have been due to my incorrect typing, or etc., in the XMP1 profile boxes. Also, i'm NOT very informed on EXACTLY what power settings to input, and often I see 10000 different answers when I go research such things, as with my last CPU & RAM when I OC'd them, and spent weeks trying to decide WHO was "right," what settings to use, and fighting with an unstable machine, until I FINALLY got it stable. But, i'm not OC's the CPU on this machine, and certainly not until I would be able to get a better cooler (due to issues i've reported which caused me to start this thread seeking some guidance/info./knowledge).

 

[35below0]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it is the order of the day.

I wasn't going to suggest XMP1 is the profile to use. I wanted to alert you to something that i hadn't noticed mentioned in the thread so far. RAM compatibility.
Your RAM may not be compatible with the motherboard.

Open command prompt (hit winkey, search for "cmd").
Type in or paste this: "wmic memorychip get devicelocator, partnumber"
it will spit out the RAM module part number. Google that and you will have identified your RAM exactly.

For example, for me the above command returns 2 lines of this code: CT32G48C40U5.C16A1. One each in the A2 and B2 slots.
Identifying your RAM may help clear up whether it's compatible or it will have to run in some limited capacity (or not run at all, but that question is moot)


Using 4 slots limits overclocking capabilities, but is not more or less inherently stable/unstable.

 

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it is the order of the day.

I wasn't going to suggest XMP1 is the profile to use. I wanted to alert you to something that i hadn't noticed mentioned in the thread so far. RAM compatibility.
Your RAM may not be compatible with the motherboard.

Open command prompt (hit winkey, search for "cmd").
Type in or paste this: "wmic memorychip get devicelocator, partnumber"
it will spit out the RAM module part number. Google that and you will have identified your RAM exactly.

For example, for me the above command returns 2 lines of this code: CT32G48C40U5.C16A1. One each in the A2 and B2 slots.
Identifying your RAM may help clear up whether it's compatible or it will have to run in some limited capacity (or not run at all, but that question is moot)


Using 4 slots limits overclocking capabilities, but is not more or less inherently stable/unstable.

Right, i'll see if it shows as compatible, thanks for the info., but considering it's working flawlessly @6000 in XMP2, i'm o.k. with it, for now. lol
Using 4 slots may not be an issue in many cases, but I was specifically speaking of this motherboard, and the reports that it IS an issue in this board for some people, for multiple reasons. I wasn't suggesting it has a general issue with all boards, but within the context of my mentioning reading people's issues online, that WAS one of the issues, and many seemed to agree my MB does tend to have some issue, in certain scenarios, with using 4 dimms, and claiming it was unstable due to the specific board. I don't remember exactly, the exact details of all the reports I read.
I'm not planning ot OC the RAM, just wanted it up to it's potential, which is now is, so, again, i'm happy about it. Temps are still being watched, but right now they seem to only spiking to the concerning temp. It's also weird to me, when I initially launch my vid editor, the constant temps of P-Cores & Package will not just spike, but run at the higher numbers, upper 90's, to 100c, for a while, then after a while they drop much lower, and only spike. I'm assuming it has something to do with how the program may load everything and prepare things for a while as launched, and maybe how it then settles down once everything is set up for use, but it lasts for maybe 10 to 15 minutes after launch, before it settles, so that seems longer than i'd assume it should take to do what it needs to do to have everything ready for editing. Just a nystery, I guess. lol.
Anyway, i'll figure out the ram issue, but if it's working in XMP2, @6000, i'll consider it "good," and be happy about it for now. But happy to also know what MB Manufacturer says about it.

Thanks again....

Edited To add:
-CMD returns: F5-6000J3636F16G (All DIMMs)

-One link to RAM: https://www.microcenter.com/product...top-memory-kit-f5-6000j3636f16gx2-tz5rk-black

-Reported CAs, as I list in my specs, and based on the package/purchase history form my memory:
CAS Latency 36, Timings 36-36-36-96

 

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it is the order of the day.

I wasn't going to suggest XMP1 is the profile to use. I wanted to alert you to something that i hadn't noticed mentioned in the thread so far. RAM compatibility.
Your RAM may not be compatible with the motherboard.

Open command prompt (hit winkey, search for "cmd").
Type in or paste this: "wmic memorychip get devicelocator, partnumber"
it will spit out the RAM module part number. Google that and you will have identified your RAM exactly.

For example, for me the above command returns 2 lines of this code: CT32G48C40U5.C16A1. One each in the A2 and B2 slots.
Identifying your RAM may help clear up whether it's compatible or it will have to run in some limited capacity (or not run at all, but that question is moot)


Using 4 slots limits overclocking capabilities, but is not more or less inherently stable/unstable.

Well, it WAS stable. Now it's wanting to crash in games again.
Maybe you, or someone, could aid me in either the specific info. to put into the XMP1 profile, including voltage, etc,; Or give me some assistance/info. to try to stabilize it. I'm sure XMP2 is not "perfect" when it puts in the power or other settings for the profile, so maybe upping the voltage, or et.c, someone might guide me through the info. for, might fix the issue.
If I have to dial it back from 6000 to 5600, etc., then i'll have to, but before doing so, i'd like to see if anyone can assist in eiither XMP1 info to input for 6000, or XMP2 tweaking of the auto input info. to maybe get it stable.
It only crashed once since last night when I went to XMP2 and 6000, so it's more stable than I had it in XMP1, for what that's worth.

Summary: Trying to get ASUS ROG z690-E & Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-6000 to run stable at 6000. Not sure of best settings, whether to use XMP1, XMP2, & tweak, or try another approach. I'm not knowledgaeble enough in this to get it right without getting input.

 

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I'm not planning ot OC the RAM, just wanted it up to it's potential

Even though it isn't obvious, using your RAM to it's full potential does require overclocking. That's what XMPs are for.

Here is what your motherboard specs say about memory:

Memory​

4 x DIMM, Max. 192GB, DDR5 6400(OC)/ 6200(OC)/ 6000(OC)/ 5800(OC)/ 5600(OC)/ 5400(OC)/ 5200(OC)/ 5000(OC)/ 4800 Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory*

As you can see, for all speeds except 4800Mhz, it says OC. OC stands for overclocking naturally, and enabling XMP is how you get to higher speeds than 4800Mhz which is "stock" DDR5.
So if you buy/use a DDR5 kit that is rated at 6000 Mhz, you have to enable XMP (overclocking). That kit can of course run at 4800 Mhz, but you could have just bought a 4800 Mhz kit instead. It's cheaper.

Anyway, your 2x16 Gb kit is listed as compatible by both Asus and G.Skill. However, you are using two of these kits instead of a single 4x16 Gb kit. The difference might seem irrelevant to you, but motherboards and mixed kits do not get along and it often causes problems.

I would suggest you remove one of the two kits and try running with a single kit. Since they're idential visualy (but not physically!) you might not be able to identify which is which. If all else fails, try running with a single stick of RAM or borrow/buy a compatible 2x32 Gb kit, and see if that resolves your problems.
This is one such kit: (2x32 Gb 5600Mhz CL36) https://www.gskill.com/product/165/374/1648545408/F5-5600J3636D32GX2-TZ5RK-F5-5600J3636D32GA2-TZ5RK

You can buy any kit listed as compatible.
I advise you not to take a chance on kits that are not listed, and not to mix two kits even if they seem identical.

 

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Even though it isn't obvious, using your RAM to it's full potential does require overclocking. That's what XMPs are for.

Here is what your motherboard specs say about memory:

Memory​

4 x DIMM, Max. 192GB, DDR5 6400(OC)/ 6200(OC)/ 6000(OC)/ 5800(OC)/ 5600(OC)/ 5400(OC)/ 5200(OC)/ 5000(OC)/ 4800 Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory*

As you can see, for all speeds except 4800Mhz, it says OC. OC stands for overclocking naturally, and enabling XMP is how you get to higher speeds than 4800Mhz which is "stock" DDR5.
So if you buy/use a DDR5 kit that is rated at 6000 Mhz, you have to enable XMP (overclocking). That kit can of course run at 4800 Mhz, but you could have just bought a 4800 Mhz kit instead. It's cheaper.

Anyway, your 2x16 Gb kit is listed as compatible by both Asus and G.Skill. However, you are using two of these kits instead of a single 4x16 Gb kit. The difference might seem irrelevant to you, but motherboards and mixed kits do not get along and it often causes problems.

I would suggest you remove one of the two kits and try running with a single kit. Since they're idential visualy (but not physically!) you might not be able to identify which is which. If all else fails, try running with a single stick of RAM or borrow/buy a compatible 2x32 Gb kit, and see if that resolves your problems.
This is one such kit: (2x32 Gb 5600Mhz CL36) https://www.gskill.com/product/165/374/1648545408/F5-5600J3636D32GX2-TZ5RK-F5-5600J3636D32GA2-TZ5RK

You can buy any kit listed as compatible.
I advise you not to take a chance on kits that are not listed, and not to mix two kits even if they seem identical.

I appreciate the info., & as some of comments mentioned i'm also aware of the mixed ram having been purchased in 2x16 packs separately, and a month in between purchases. I'm not sure of the specifics, regarding setting (manually) certain settings, and though XMP2 tends to input most, it also defaults to "auto" in many, as does XMP1, so if I have to manually alter, because XMP is most likely NOT the "magic" one-touch "OC" it might seem, then i'm going to have to figure out what tweaks to try, including the voltages, etc, (some say start at 1.4, and work down until stable, it defaults to 1.35 I believe, in XMP).
I'm not going to be bale to buy another set of RAM right now, so my options are "default" speed, or tweaking up to the highest potential wiht what I have, to a stable point. I recognize it is technically OC's, so my comment wasn't explanatory enough, but I just consider going to a potential max of it not as "OC'ing" in my own mind, so it causes me to speak about it in such way.
In any case, i'm needing to find the information regarding any manual tweaking, as mentioned, and once I do, i'll proceed with a gradual either upping or downing of tweaks to find a stable point. I've already dropped the speed from 6000 to the next "optimal" per MB info., setting, and am in the process of testing it, while in XMP2, though, as I said, in the past when i've messed with this, the voltages were not good in the XMP profile, and I still had to tweak some to obtain stability. That requires me finding suggestions, and info., and experiences from others, & it has been a while since i've done this type of process.
In any case...enjoy your day...