CPU Temperature Problem with 8320+ Hyper 103

[AniAM]

I have a Hyper 103 installed on. Previously it was the noisy stock cooler on my AMD FX 8320(NOT OVERCLOCKED). Ambient room temp was like 30'c - 35'c. Then the load temp was being like 50'c-58'c but after installing this Hyper 103 it rose to 50' in idle. Load is nearly 68'c!!

With Cooler Master Hyper 103, Idle is between 45'c - 50'c. Load reached 68'c while I was playing Black Flag as a test!!! Siht happened! I reapplied the thermal paste. The third photo below is the second time's application. Before the paste coat was thick I think(First and second photos). I really tried to do everything I could. I just built the machine yesterday but the problem is killing me, worrying me. Having tension hugely!! Case is #Thermaltake Versa n25. I opened the plastic parts thinking the air would flow in a better manner but nothing happened. A good friend told me to change the thermal paste. Why is it so? I think my noisy stock cooler didn't make me this.frustrated!! What to do?

https://s16.postimg.org/kd4o012r9/BIOS.jpg

 

[madmatt30]

Don't see a third photo mate?

Definitely too much paste on the first two though.

The hyper 103 is not the best cooler , good but not the best.
Ambient temps of 35c is incredibly warm mate & 30c over ambient under heavy load isn't unexpected at all.

 

[madmatt30]

Be aware that temps shown in BIOS are NOT at idle.
All power saving is disabled while you're in BIOS so its probably at the equivalent of a 70% load or so.

Reapply the paste if you still have some.
Clean both CPU & cooler, drop one pea sized blob in the centre of the CPU & put the cooler back on.
There is no need to spread the paste, the pressure of the cooler will do that.

Download amd overdrive
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/over-drive

Check the thermal margins shown under CPU status tab

 

[AniAM]

Don't see a third photo mate?

Definitely too much paste on the first two though.

The hyper 103 is not the best cooler , good but not the best.
Ambient temps of 35c is incredibly warm mate & 30c over ambient under heavy load isn't unexpected at all.

https://linustechtips.com/main/uploads/monthly_2016_09/IMG_20160910_121641617.jpg.bfda006ab1464ddf889bd9533fb845e2.jpg

But can it be going like this? I am so baffled mate...What's the safe temp for a 8320 in India's wretchedly hot weather? Wish I could know. Can you help me please?

 

[AniAM]

Be aware that temps shown in BIOS are NOT at idle.
All power saving is disabled while you're in BIOS so its probably at the equivalent of a 70% load or so.

Reapply the paste if you still have some.
Clean both CPU & cooler, drop one pea sized blob in the centre of the CPU & put the cooler back on.
There is no need to spread the paste, the pressure of the cooler will do that.

Download amd overdrive
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/over-drive

Check the thermal margins shown under CPU status tab

I already reapplied this size. Came down hardly 2'c or 3'c. I THINK THAT 68'c is really bad, right?

 

[madmatt30]

Be aware that temps shown in BIOS are NOT at idle.
All power saving is disabled while you're in BIOS so its probably at the equivalent of a 70% load or so.

Reapply the paste if you still have some.
Clean both CPU & cooler, drop one pea sized blob in the centre of the CPU & put the cooler back on.
There is no need to spread the paste, the pressure of the cooler will do that.

Download amd overdrive
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/over-drive

Check the thermal margins shown under CPU status tab

I already reapplied this size. Came down hardly 2'c or 3'c. I THINK THAT 68'c is really bad, right?

check the thermal margin in amd overdrive as ive suggested mate.
I would not want to be running at 68c all the time,72c is the upper safe limit for fx chips.

 

[AniAM]

Be aware that temps shown in BIOS are NOT at idle.
All power saving is disabled while you're in BIOS so its probably at the equivalent of a 70% load or so.

Reapply the paste if you still have some.
Clean both CPU & cooler, drop one pea sized blob in the centre of the CPU & put the cooler back on.
There is no need to spread the paste, the pressure of the cooler will do that.

Download amd overdrive
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/over-drive

Check the thermal margins shown under CPU status tab

I already reapplied this size. Came down hardly 2'c or 3'c. I THINK THAT 68'c is really bad, right?

check the thermal margin in amd overdrive as ive suggested mate.
I would not want to be running at 68c all the time,72c is the upper safe limit for fx chips.

Sure I will. Suppose matey, if I buy a 212X, would it make the temps lower at all? Please let me know. Is the kit thermal paste conductive or not? I am baffled brother.

 

[Karadjgne]

Several things to learn about cpu coolers.
1. It's physically impossible to cool by mechanical means to below ambient temps. Your standard air cooler or liquid cooler is still mechanical, air is blown through fins. It takes chemical means such as liquid nitrogen (LN2) or a peltier device to cool beyond ambient.
2. Standard coolers have a range of @6°C to 40°C above ambient, it takes the biggest coolers to get 6°C.
3. Every cooler has a wattage range that it's capable of handling. The stock fx 8320 is capable of handling that 125w cpu during nominal usage, not extreme usage, so roughly 100w at best. If you push a 100% cpu load through it, it'll either throttle the cpu or shutdown due to thermal overload.

So, starting with a 30°C ambient, at idle expect temps to be @40°C - 45°C with any cooler. As loads are increased, towards the top of any coolers ability, efficiency suffers so temps start to rise drastically. The Hyper103 isn't much better than a stock cooler, some, but not much, so still expect idle temps starting at @40°C. The cpu itself has a finite limit, @70°C before shutdown.
Much depends on airflow and mount.
You want to maximize airflow. This means intake fans at higher rpm and exhaust fans at higher rpm. Cool air in, hot air out.
Mount is important too. The purpose of the paste (TIM) is to fill in the micro-gaps between the cooler and cpu to provide an efficient thermal transfer without hotspots. Too much paste becomes an insulating layer, makes for hotter cpus, too little paste won't cover enough and you get hotspots. A dab of paste the size of a grain of rice or small pea is all that's needed, your pictures show too much paste was used, and done incorrectly.

Start with a clean cpu and clean cooler. Use 91% isopropyl alcohol and coffee filters.

With that cooler, filling the gaps is important. Start with a small dab in the center of the cooler and using a credit card, drag it across the copper lines until they are full of TIM and make a smooth surface scraped almost clean. Then apply a grain of rice sized TIM on the cpu and install, firmly, without twisting or undue pressure on one side. Tighten the retaining screws until loose on all 4 screws, then using an X pattern, incrementally tighten the screws, repeating the X, until all 4 are tight. You can use a screwdriver if you are like me and have fat fingers, just don't over-tighten. A good hand tight is all that's needed.

 

[AniAM]

Several things to learn about cpu coolers.
1. It's physically impossible to cool by mechanical means to below ambient temps. Your standard air cooler or liquid cooler is still mechanical, air is blown through fins. It takes chemical means such as liquid nitrogen (LN2) or a peltier device to cool beyond ambient.
2. Standard coolers have a range of @6°C to 40°C above ambient, it takes the biggest coolers to get 6°C.
3. Every cooler has a wattage range that it's capable of handling. The stock fx 8320 is capable of handling that 125w cpu during nominal usage, not extreme usage, so roughly 100w at best. If you push a 100% cpu load through it, it'll either throttle the cpu or shutdown due to thermal overload.

So, starting with a 30°C ambient, at idle expect temps to be @40°C - 45°C with any cooler. As loads are increased, towards the top of any coolers ability, efficiency suffers so temps start to rise drastically. The Hyper103 isn't much better than a stock cooler, some, but not much, so still expect idle temps starting at @40°C. The cpu itself has a finite limit, @70°C before shutdown.
Much depends on airflow and mount.
You want to maximize airflow. This means intake fans at higher rpm and exhaust fans at higher rpm. Cool air in, hot air out.
Mount is important too. The purpose of the paste (TIM) is to fill in the micro-gaps between the cooler and cpu to provide an efficient thermal transfer without hotspots. Too much paste becomes an insulating layer, makes for hotter cpus, too little paste won't cover enough and you get hotspots. A dab of paste the size of a grain of rice or small pea is all that's needed, your pictures show too much paste was used, and done incorrectly.

Start with a clean cpu and clean cooler. Use 91% isopropyl alcohol and coffee filters.

With that cooler, filling the gaps is important. Start with a small dab in the center of the cooler and using a credit card, drag it across the copper lines until they are full of TIM and make a smooth surface scraped almost clean. Then apply a grain of rice sized TIM on the cpu and install, firmly, without twisting or undue pressure on one side. Tighten the retaining screws until loose on all 4 screws, then using an X pattern, incrementally tighten the screws, repeating the X, until all 4 are tight. You can use a screwdriver if you are like me and have fat fingers, just don't over-tighten. A good hand tight is all that's needed.

I have 5 fans installed. All are with 1200 RPM. 2 top outtake, 1 rear outtake, two front intake. The Versa n25 case is not so good for my country if there's no AC room. Though my room is airy little bit with 40% of hot air. Closing the windows, may fill the room with caged heat. Should I go for the costlier fans?

 

[Karadjgne]

No. That case isn't bad at all, you've got plenty of possibility. 2 fans in and 3 out is good. Try and get the cooler seated right. The pictures show you used way too much paste. That cooler also suffers from the direct contact heat pipes, which are good, but not seamless. You'll need to fill the seams with paste and using a credit card scrape off the rest of the surface of the cooler, then attach as normal. You want a micro-thin layer is all so the paste helps not insulates.

 

[AniAM]

No. That case isn't bad at all, you've got plenty of possibility. 2 fans in and 3 out is good. Try and get the cooler seated right. The pictures show you used way too much paste. That cooler also suffers from the direct contact heat pipes, which are good, but not seamless. You'll need to fill the seams with paste and using a credit card scrape off the rest of the surface of the cooler, then attach as normal. You want a micro-thin layer is all so the paste helps not insulates.

Thanks for the tiny details. Those are really important facts to be observed. I'll keep you updated. Thanks to you again.

 

[AniAM]

No. That case isn't bad at all, you've got plenty of possibility. 2 fans in and 3 out is good. Try and get the cooler seated right. The pictures show you used way too much paste. That cooler also suffers from the direct contact heat pipes, which are good, but not seamless. You'll need to fill the seams with paste and using a credit card scrape off the rest of the surface of the cooler, then attach as normal. You want a micro-thin layer is all so the paste helps not insulates.

Hope that 212x would fit into the Versa n25 case.

 

[madmatt30]

No. That case isn't bad at all, you've got plenty of possibility. 2 fans in and 3 out is good. Try and get the cooler seated right. The pictures show you used way too much paste. That cooler also suffers from the direct contact heat pipes, which are good, but not seamless. You'll need to fill the seams with paste and using a credit card scrape off the rest of the surface of the cooler, then attach as normal. You want a micro-thin layer is all so the paste helps not insulates.

Hope that 212x would fit into the Versa n25 case.

yes it will mate.
However it still doesnt explain why youre getting higher temps with the 103 than you were with the stock cooler.
The 103 is probably the best 92mm tower there is ,its far far better than a stock cooler.

How exactly are youe measureing temps while gaming??
While you may just be seeing the limitations of it ( you are after all 10-15c above most peoples ambient temps to begin with) I still think there is something wrong with either the fitting or the paste application.

 

[madmatt30]

front top outtake fan,disconnect it & check temps again.
I would not recommend running an exhaust directly above & slightly to the front (which yours is) with any kind of tower cooler.
Youre pulling air away from the 103's cooling fan & will be creating a dead spot to the front of the cpu.

How exactly do you have the 103 cooler orientated??

 

[AniAM]

No. That case isn't bad at all, you've got plenty of possibility. 2 fans in and 3 out is good. Try and get the cooler seated right. The pictures show you used way too much paste. That cooler also suffers from the direct contact heat pipes, which are good, but not seamless. You'll need to fill the seams with paste and using a credit card scrape off the rest of the surface of the cooler, then attach as normal. You want a micro-thin layer is all so the paste helps not insulates.

Hope that 212x would fit into the Versa n25 case.

yes it will mate.
However it still doesnt explain why youre getting higher temps with the 103 than you were with the stock cooler.
The 103 is probably the best 92mm tower there is ,its far far better than a stock cooler.

How exactly are youe measureing temps while gaming??
While you may just be seeing the limitations of it ( you are after all 10-15c above most peoples ambient temps to begin with) I still think there is something wrong with either the fitting or the paste application.

Believe me matey, I fitted it properly. So tight. 2nd time, I did spread the paste in a good way the next time. Thin but good. I realised it because I saw 3'c or 4'c decreasing in the temp but not so good enough. Covered almost 80% of the CPU. I am baffled too. I applied so pressure fitting the heat sink. I don't have the slightest idea about the reason for which the temp was rising. Should I install a CoolerMaster sickleflow 2000 rpm fan changing the 1200 RPM fan? 212x will arrive tomorrow. Can you tell me one thing? Is the kit paste that comes with a pink wrapper with 212x, is CONDUCTIVE OR NON-CONDUCTIVE?

 

[AniAM]

front top outtake fan,disconnect it & check temps again.
I would not recommend running an exhaust directly above & slightly to the front (which yours is) with any kind of tower cooler.
Youre pulling air away from the 103's cooling fan & will be creating a dead spot to the front of the cpu.

How exactly do you have the 103 cooler orientated??

Forgot to write. While gaming, I turn the HW Monitor on. After 5 or 10 mins, I press Alt+Tab to check the load results. Then suddenly seeing the temp made me dizzy and spun my head!!! Stopped the game that moment, shut the PC down and still it's shut. I am typing or surfing net from my Moto E ever since. I am sad.

 

[madmatt30]

The paste that comes with the 212x is exactly the same as you got with the 103 (same paste that comes with all cm hyper coolers)
Silver based,probably on a par with mx2 /as4 meaning its good stuff - very thermally conductive,ever so slightly electrically conductive.

The 212x is the same cooler as the older evo but with an upgraded fan & slightly easier mounting system
Swap the fan out ??
No I wouldnt ,it comes with an extra pair of fan brackets meaning you can fit an extra fan in a push pull configuration - if you do this make sure the rear fan is set to exhaust air away from the heatsink.

Are you absolutely 100% sure that you fitted the backplate on the 103 correctly - it has to be reversed for amd installs

 

[AniAM]

The paste that comes with the 212x is exactly the same as you got with the 103 (same paste that comes with all cm hyper coolers)
Silver based,probably on a par with mx2 /as4 meaning its good stuff - very thermally conductive,ever so slightly electrically conductive.

The 212x is the same cooler as the older evo but with an upgraded fan & slightly easier mounting system
Swap the fan out ??
No I wouldnt ,it comes with an extra pair of fan brackets meaning you can fit an extra fan in a push pull configuration - if you do this make sure the rear fan is set to exhaust air away from the heatsink.

Are you absolutely 100% sure that you fitted the backplate on the 103 correctly - it has to be reversed for amd installs

Come on matey!!!! I did fit it properly!! I know that because if you're then you either can fit or wouldn't as a whole. You can't go wrong. That's the biggest thing about the easiness of installing a 103. So easy. I watched a ton of videos before it too. The airflow is also good in Versa n25 cases people are saying. I WENT TOTALLY CONFUSED brother.. 🙁 🙁

 

[AniAM]

The paste that comes with the 212x is exactly the same as you got with the 103 (same paste that comes with all cm hyper coolers)
Silver based,probably on a par with mx2 /as4 meaning its good stuff - very thermally conductive,ever so slightly electrically conductive.

The 212x is the same cooler as the older evo but with an upgraded fan & slightly easier mounting system
Swap the fan out ??
No I wouldnt ,it comes with an extra pair of fan brackets meaning you can fit an extra fan in a push pull configuration - if you do this make sure the rear fan is set to exhaust air away from the heatsink.

Are you absolutely 100% sure that you fitted the backplate on the 103 correctly - it has to be reversed for amd installs

No no..not swapping the Heat sink fan. About the case fans I was talking about. I have 1200 RPM fan. If I change one intake fan with on Cooler Master Sickleflow, would it help, at all?

 

[madmatt30]

The paste that comes with the 212x is exactly the same as you got with the 103 (same paste that comes with all cm hyper coolers)
Silver based,probably on a par with mx2 /as4 meaning its good stuff - very thermally conductive,ever so slightly electrically conductive.

The 212x is the same cooler as the older evo but with an upgraded fan & slightly easier mounting system
Swap the fan out ??
No I wouldnt ,it comes with an extra pair of fan brackets meaning you can fit an extra fan in a push pull configuration - if you do this make sure the rear fan is set to exhaust air away from the heatsink.

Are you absolutely 100% sure that you fitted the backplate on the 103 correctly - it has to be reversed for amd installs

Come on matey!!!! I did fit it properly!! I know that because if you're then you either can fit or wouldn't as a whole. You can't go wrong. That's the biggest thing about the easiness of installing a 103. So easy. I watched a ton of videos before it too. The airflow is also good in Versa n25 cases people are saying. I WENT TOTALLY CONFUSED brother.. 🙁 🙁

fair play mate,I had to ask ;-) because Ive seen people do some really wierd stuff on these forums.

Hopefully the 212 is going to solve your problem - its far better suited to an 8 core.
The bigger heatsink will offer far more thermal displacement & a 120mm fan should do a better job full stop,& like I said you have the option of fitting an extra fan to it rather than just changing the one thats already on it.
Theres not much more you can really do.
The problem here is that not many of us have such extreme ambient temps as you,when you read cooler reviews etc the normal room temp is always somewhere between 21-25c at the most.
When your ambient temps are 30c+ before you begin you are always going to be up against it.

 

[madmatt30]

The paste that comes with the 212x is exactly the same as you got with the 103 (same paste that comes with all cm hyper coolers)
Silver based,probably on a par with mx2 /as4 meaning its good stuff - very thermally conductive,ever so slightly electrically conductive.

The 212x is the same cooler as the older evo but with an upgraded fan & slightly easier mounting system
Swap the fan out ??
No I wouldnt ,it comes with an extra pair of fan brackets meaning you can fit an extra fan in a push pull configuration - if you do this make sure the rear fan is set to exhaust air away from the heatsink.

Are you absolutely 100% sure that you fitted the backplate on the 103 correctly - it has to be reversed for amd installs

No no..not swapping the Heat sink fan. About the case fans I was talking about. I have 1200 RPM fan. If I change one intake fan with on Cooler Master Sickleflow, would it help, at all?

possibly mate,I have no idea how good your current case fans are.
Id fit the 212 first ,see what the difference is.
If you were considering 2 fans on the 212 that sickleflow would be better as one of them as it matches what comes with the 212 rpm wise.

 

[AniAM]

The paste that comes with the 212x is exactly the same as you got with the 103 (same paste that comes with all cm hyper coolers)
Silver based,probably on a par with mx2 /as4 meaning its good stuff - very thermally conductive,ever so slightly electrically conductive.

The 212x is the same cooler as the older evo but with an upgraded fan & slightly easier mounting system
Swap the fan out ??
No I wouldnt ,it comes with an extra pair of fan brackets meaning you can fit an extra fan in a push pull configuration - if you do this make sure the rear fan is set to exhaust air away from the heatsink.

Are you absolutely 100% sure that you fitted the backplate on the 103 correctly - it has to be reversed for amd installs

Come on matey!!!! I did fit it properly!! I know that because if you're then you either can fit or wouldn't as a whole. You can't go wrong. That's the biggest thing about the easiness of installing a 103. So easy. I watched a ton of videos before it too. The airflow is also good in Versa n25 cases people are saying. I WENT TOTALLY CONFUSED brother.. 🙁 🙁

fair play mate,I had to ask ;-) because Ive seen people do some really wierd stuff on these forums.

Hopefully the 212 is going to solve your problem - its far better suited to an 8 core.
The bigger heatsink will offer far more thermal displacement & a 120mm fan should do a better job full stop,& like I said you have the option of fitting an extra fan to it rather than just changing the one thats already on it.
Theres not much more you can really do.
The problem here is that not many of us have such extreme ambient temps as you,when you read cooler reviews etc the normal room temp is always somewhere between 21-25c at the most.
When your ambient temps are 30c+ before you begin you are always going to be up against it.

You'll ask and I'll give the answers. That's how help would work. I am really upset bro. I dreamt to edit ASAP I would build the PC and see.. what happened. Don't tell about the temp in my room... 🙁 Top floor, bad roofing, direct sunlight. Ceiling fan intakes the roof heat as other fans.. so the room stays like broiler....arghhhhhhh....

 

[AniAM]

The paste that comes with the 212x is exactly the same as you got with the 103 (same paste that comes with all cm hyper coolers)
Silver based,probably on a par with mx2 /as4 meaning its good stuff - very thermally conductive,ever so slightly electrically conductive.

The 212x is the same cooler as the older evo but with an upgraded fan & slightly easier mounting system
Swap the fan out ??
No I wouldnt ,it comes with an extra pair of fan brackets meaning you can fit an extra fan in a push pull configuration - if you do this make sure the rear fan is set to exhaust air away from the heatsink.

Are you absolutely 100% sure that you fitted the backplate on the 103 correctly - it has to be reversed for amd installs

No no..not swapping the Heat sink fan. About the case fans I was talking about. I have 1200 RPM fan. If I change one intake fan with on Cooler Master Sickleflow, would it help, at all?

possibly mate,I have no idea how good your current case fans are.
Id fit the 212 first ,see what the difference is.
If you were considering 2 fans on the 212 that sickleflow would be better as one of them as it matches what comes with the 212 rpm wise.

All are very simple. 1200 RPM. 3 led -DeepCool, Antec with red and antec with white. 2 black and non led fans. Cheapest.