Question CPU Upgrade

[Connor99z]

So I've had this PC for a while, the CPU is rather bad, most new games that come out when i play i get super bad FPS, and my CPU is constantly on 100%, making most games unplayable, the question is can i upgrade the CPU to something thats ALOT better than my current CPU that can maybe play games better than what i can now, as i seem to play alot of CPU intensive games, without having to upgrade anything else? or is it recommended i upgrade my motherboard and then get a better CPU with the upgraded motherboard?

Screenshots is my playing a game that is CPU intensive:
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These are my Specs:
https://prnt.sc/eau0yb4GeN_I

 

[Eximo]

You really need to replace the motherboard to get a worthwhile upgrade.

Only drop in CPUs would be an i7-6700k or an i7-7700k

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/G1Sniper-Z170-rev-10#ov

These are easily beat out by an i3-12100 and a cheap $80 motherboard, you can even keep your DDR4 (though 2133 is pretty slow by today's standards)

Just depends on what you have to spend.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i3-12100 3.3 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($121.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B760M-HDV/M.2 D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($53.97 @ Amazon)
Total: $265.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-03-29 14:47 EDT-0400

 

[Connor99z]

You really need to replace the motherboard to get a worthwhile upgrade.

Only drop in CPUs would be an i7-6700k or an i7-7700k

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/G1Sniper-Z170-rev-10#ov

These are easily beat out by an i3-12100 and a cheap $80 motherboard, you can even keep your DDR4 (though 2133 is pretty slow by today's standards)

Just depends on what you have to spend.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i3-12100 3.3 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($121.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B760M-HDV/M.2 D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($53.97 @ Amazon)
Total: $265.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-03-29 14:47 EDT-0400

I did actually just upgrade my RAM recently to 32GB but it gets limited down to the 2133 because of my motherboard, can i keep the RAM if i upgrade my CPU and Motherboard? Id rather do as you said and upgrade the motherboard, and get a good CPU with the motherboard upgrade, what's some good mid budget Motherboards and CPU's in the range of £400-£600 combined..
Would I then need a new case and water cooling?
I play my PC A lot and mainly for gaming, its served me well, my CPU has always been the low point of my system, and alot of games I play do get limited due to it.

I bought (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3600, so thats currently in my MOBO and being limited to 2133

 

[Eximo]

In that case, you have plenty of options.

Your existing motherboard is ATX, so any ATX board should fit fine. Water cooling is not necessary even on the bigger chips. At least not for gaming. If you were wanting to use all cores at 100% for long periods, then water cooling makes sense.

Something like this should work for you. You will need to double check your maximum CPU cooler height in your chassis though.

Optionally upgrade that to a 13700k or 14700k. Your ram will slot right in.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-14600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (£287.97 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£35.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-A WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£179.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £502.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-03-29 20:31 GMT+0000

 

[Eximo]

I should add that a GTX1070 is a little light these days.

If your powersupply doesn't have more than one EPS connector, that should be okay. One is enough to power this CPU at least.

Though you may want to consider a PSU upgrade anyway, since it is likely to be rather old.

Or even new NVMe storage. You will be wanting to re-install the OS anyway.

 

[Connor99z]

I should add that a GTX1070 is a little light these days.

If your powersupply doesn't have more than one EPS connector, that should be okay. One is enough to power this CPU at least.

Though you may want to consider a PSU upgrade anyway, since it is likely to be rather old.

Or even new NVMe storage. You will be wanting to re-install the OS anyway.

What do you mean by a little light, as in outdated? I know but my CPU is even more outdated and always has been, it’s always been the slow point of my PC when playing CPU intensive games.
So that motherboard would enable my 3600 RAM too rather than being limited to the 2133? And is that a good board? Over say the Tomahawk, also I’m pretty sure my Motherboard currently can only take one NVME storage, does this only take one too?

Regarding the CPU is that a good CPU over say an i7? Would the next upgrade from that be an i7 14700K would that fit and be okay on the motherboard specd?

As for my current PSU, I have the EVGA SuperNOVA 550 GS 80 Plus Gold.

If I’m going to go all out and upgrade the Motherboard and CPU then I might as well make it worth while and rather future proof.

 

[shady28]

The big thing you haven't stated is what kind of budget you have.
The only reason to re-use the DDR4 is if you are budget conscious.
On the less expensive side -
You can get something like the MSI Pro B760 DDR4 (Micro ATX) board and a 13400F for ~$300 with tax from Newegg. You could also go for a 12400F and bring the cost down to ~$250 total. If you don't plan to change anything else, like the 1070, I'd stick with the 12400F.
You could eventually go with a 14900K if you want.
Only Z690 or Z790 boards will let you go over DDR4-3200.
Your bottleneck would immediately move to your 1070 GPU under the vast majority of games with either of those CPUs though, for less than $300.
You'd probably need a GPU costing ~$600+ to start moving the bottleneck back to your CPU, something along the lines of a 4070 super or AMD 7900 GRE or better.

 

[Connor99z]

The big thing you haven't stated is what kind of budget you have.
The only reason to re-use the DDR4 is if you are budget conscious.
On the less expensive side -
You can get something like the MSI Pro B760 DDR4 (Micro ATX) board and a 13400F for ~$300 with tax from Newegg. You could also go for a 12400F and bring the cost down to ~$250 total. If you don't plan to change anything else, like the 1070, I'd stick with the 12400F.
You could eventually go with a 14900K if you want.
Only Z690 or Z790 boards will let you go over DDR4-3200.
Your bottleneck would immediately move to your 1070 GPU under the vast majority of games with either of those CPUs though, for less than $300.
You'd probably need a GPU costing ~$600+ to start moving the bottleneck back to your CPU, something along the lines of a 4070 super or AMD 7900 GRE or better.

My budget is around the £600 total mark, for all.
The only reason regarding the RAM is because I bought new ram in January this year…
https://amzn.eu/d/g0IH3J7
That’s the ram i upgraded to from 16GB, but obviously I’m being limited to 2133 because of the Motherboard.
I am looking at upgrading the GPU in the future but for the time being I just wanted the Motherboard and CPU upgraded as the CPU has been the lower end of all my equipment in my PC and I’ve always struggled at CPU intensive games, I play games and my PC lags and my mic stops working because my CPU is maxing at 100% while my GPU sits at like 8%.

So are you saying I need to Upgrade my RAM also? And the i7 14700K wouldn’t be a reasonable upgrade right now?

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

My budget is around the £600 total mark, for all.
The only reason regarding the RAM is because I bought new ram in January this year…
https://amzn.eu/d/g0IH3J7
That’s the ram i upgraded to from 16GB, but obviously I’m being limited to 2133 because of the Motherboard.
I am looking at upgrading the GPU in the future but for the time being I just wanted the Motherboard and CPU upgraded as the CPU has been the lower end of all my equipment in my PC and I’ve always struggled at CPU intensive games, I play games and my PC lags and my mic stops working because my CPU is maxing at 100% while my GPU sits at like 8%.

So are you saying I need to Upgrade my RAM also? And the i7 14700K wouldn’t be a reasonable upgrade right now?

Sounds like you have mixed ram sets to get to 32gb? This is why it runs at 2133mhz. If you put 3200mhz ram with any other ram of different clocks other than a matched kit, then your ram will run at it's default speed (in this case 2133mhz).

If you only use the 2x8 kit of corsair dominator, you should get a boost in performance.

 

[beyondlogic]

My budget is around the £600 total mark, for all.
The only reason regarding the RAM is because I bought new ram in January this year…
https://amzn.eu/d/g0IH3J7
That’s the ram i upgraded to from 16GB, but obviously I’m being limited to 2133 because of the Motherboard.
I am looking at upgrading the GPU in the future but for the time being I just wanted the Motherboard and CPU upgraded as the CPU has been the lower end of all my equipment in my PC and I’ve always struggled at CPU intensive games, I play games and my PC lags and my mic stops working because my CPU is maxing at 100% while my GPU sits at like 8%.

So are you saying I need to Upgrade my RAM also? And the i7 14700K wouldn’t be a reasonable upgrade right now?

Your CPU is being maxed out because most games take advantage of more cores or threads

What is your current psu ? Make model and wattage.

I would upgrade piece meal
If on a budget I would get a
.i7 7700 you can easily find them for like 65 pounds used on cex
https://uk.webuy.com/search?stext=i7-7700

If your PSU is decent I would spend the rest on GPU budget

Then get the new CPU and motherboard. If planning to keep the ddr4

My recommendation and GPU future option

Reason for GPU 4070 super is best buy in terms of power efficiency and performance since UK and Europe electric prices are all over the place.

Same reason for the motherboard if you aren't using all the ports on a atx zero point of using it

Am4 b550 opens you up to PCI gen 4


https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Yr2ZCd

You could also do i7 7700 and the 4070 super providing your PSU is decent .

 

[Connor99z]

Sounds like you have mixed ram sets to get to 32gb? This is why it runs at 2133mhz. If you put 3200mhz ram with any other ram of different clocks other than a matched kit, then your ram will run at it's default speed (in this case 2133mhz).

If you only use the 2x8 kit of corsair dominator, you should get a boost in performance.

No I have 2 x 16 GB of ram in my PC totalling at 32GB.

https://amzn.eu/d/d8o1EfB this one to be exact.
2 16 GB sticks in my Motherboard that’s it.

My current MOBO doesn’t support any more than 2133mhz, and doesn’t have the XMP function to enable the extra.

 

[Connor99z]

Your CPU is being maxed out because most games take advantage of more cores or threads

What is your current psu ? Make model and wattage.

I would upgrade piece meal
If on a budget I would get a
.i7 7700 you can easily find them for like 65 pounds used on cex
https://uk.webuy.com/search?stext=i7-7700

If your PSU is decent I would spend the rest on GPU budget

Then get the new CPU and motherboard. If planning to keep the ddr4

My recommendation and GPU future option

Reason for GPU 4070 super is best buy in terms of power efficiency and performance since UK and Europe electric prices are all over the place.

Same reason for the motherboard if you aren't using all the ports on a atx zero point of using it

Am4 b550 opens you up to PCI gen 4


https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Yr2ZCd

You could also do i7 7700 and the 4070 super providing your PSU is decent .

My PSU is a:
EVGA SuperNOVA 550 GS 80 Plus Gold.

So can I not upgrade my current systems CPU and Motherboard ready for when my next upgrade which would be a better GPU?

Is the i7 14700K and a new Motherboard not reasonable while keeping my 1070 and my 32GB of 3600mhz RAM?

 

[beyondlogic]

My PSU is a:
EVGA SuperNOVA 550 GS 80 Plus Gold.

So can I not upgrade my current systems CPU and Motherboard ready for when my next upgrade which would be a better GPU?

Is the i7 14700K and a new Motherboard not reasonable while keeping my 1070 and my 32GB of 3600mhz RAM?

You can I would upgrade that PSU first to 750w gold seasonic first or rm Corsair main reason the i7 14700k guzzles power.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-14700k/22.html

 

[Connor99z]

You can I would upgrade that PSU first to 750w gold seasonic first or rm Corsair main reason the i7 14700k guzzles power.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-14700k/22.html

So if I upgrade the Motherboard, CPU and the PSU, and then in the future i will the upgrade my 1070, if i get a Motherboard that can support the i7 14700k and my current ram for the mean time? Im looking for a motherboard with quite a few USB ports and also several NVME Slots for my current NVME and potentially another one, is there a motherboard that would support ddr5 RAM as well for future upgrades there?
Is the i7 14700k a good upgrade and would it be worth getting it? in terms of guzzling power is that bad, is it very noticeable in electric wise?

My CPUs been doing some very weird things lately, just from starting my computer up my CPU is already sat on 100% and causing my whole PC to be slow, not sure why as this never used to do this, its dropped back down now.

https://prnt.sc/tIX3wSX2MFm3

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[beyondlogic]

So if I upgrade the Motherboard, CPU and the PSU, and then in the future i will the upgrade my 1070, if i get a Motherboard that can support the i7 14700k and my current ram for the mean time? Im looking for a motherboard with quite a few USB ports and also several NVME Slots for my current NVME and potentially another one, is there a motherboard that would support ddr5 RAM as well for future upgrades there?
Is the i7 14700k a good upgrade and would it be worth getting it? in terms of guzzling power is that bad, is it very noticeable in electric wise?

My CPUs been doing some very weird things lately, just from starting my computer up my CPU is already sat on 100% and causing my whole PC to be slow, not sure why as this never used to do this, its dropped back down now.

https://prnt.sc/tIX3wSX2MFm3

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Yes it's noticeable in context your current pc whole pc probly draws what that one CPU would do.

If your wanting ddr5 down the road it be zero point in getting a new board cause I haven't seen one that supports ddr4 and ddr5


Also make sure all 14 tabs on chrome are closed that's what's causing the CPU usage at 100 percent. You want to make sure any programs your not using are not running in background during games

 

[Connor99z]

Yes it's noticeable in context your current pc whole pc probly draws what that one CPU would do.

If your wanting ddr5 down the road it be zero point in getting a new board cause I haven't seen one that supports ddr4 and ddr5


Also make sure all 14 tabs on chrome are closed that's what's causing the CPU usage at 100 percent. You want to make sure any programs your not using are not running in background during games

Yeah fine, ddr4 would be fine then, not sure why it says 14 tabs because only 2 chrome tabs was actually open on chrome.

So what would be the next suggestion over a 14700K surely for the 4/5 hours of playtime each day it wouldnt really equate to much in price on electricity...
What would be a good motherboard to upgrade to then for a 14700k that has a couple of NVME slots, and USB ports, and is future proof. And what about cooling?

 

[Eximo]

You have a few options in keeping your existing PSU. You can enforce a power limit on the CPU to 125W (which is still a lot, but way less than the 253W max boost) You only need that 253W if you are pushing all the cores. You won't see that in just gaming.

You can get a 14700 instead of a 14700K, that will run a lot lower power overall.

Your future GPU upgrades don't have to be massive. You could get something like a 115W RTX4060 or 160W RTX4060 Ti. These would still be a massive upgrade over a GTX1070.

But generally yes, you should replace the PSU if you plan on a bigger GPU in the future.

Chrome launches several sub processes for each tab for several reasons. Efficiency and security being the two most important. Those threads are basically parking memory for the web page in case you use the parts that need it. Prompts/Logins/Password cache, image and video cache, etc can all be kept dormant and allow for snappier response times than loading them up on the fly. And the sandboxing prevents code from one part of the page from seeing sensitive data in another.

 

[Eximo]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700 2.1 GHz 20-Core Processor (£384.98 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£35.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-A WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£179.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £599.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-02 20:28 BST+0100

 

[Connor99z]

You have a few options in keeping your existing PSU. You can enforce a power limit on the CPU to 125W (which is still a lot, but way less than the 253W max boost) You only need that 253W if you are pushing all the cores. You won't see that in just gaming.

You can get a 14700 instead of a 14700K, that will run a lot lower power overall.

Your future GPU upgrades don't have to be massive. You could get something like a 115W RTX4060 or 160W RTX4060 Ti. These would still be a massive upgrade over a GTX1070.

But generally yes, you should replace the PSU if you plan on a bigger GPU in the future.

Chrome launches several sub processes for each tab for several reasons. Efficiency and security being the two most important. Those threads are basically parking memory for the web page in case you use the parts that need it. Prompts/Logins/Password cache, image and video cache, etc can all be kept dormant and allow for snappier response times than loading them up on the fly. And the sandboxing prevents code from one part of the page from seeing sensitive data in another.

I am probably leaning more towards the 14700K just so it gives me the option to overclock in the future if i decide to, and i will throttle the power limit on it in the time being to reduce the power it uses? is it pointless having the CPU run at max? would it ever need to run at max for casual gaming?

What PSU would I need to upgrade to if I get the 14700K and in the future a better GPU.

Also thinking of a new Case.., any suggestions? at this point im pretty much just building a whole new PC, in regards to my 3200 DDR4 Ram, is this enough in this current day? would anything over DDR4 be pointless in terms of what I do.

Is the cooler fine if i went for the 12700K or would water cooling be better?

 

[Eximo]

Well, you probably would never see the full 253W boost unless you were running a benchmark or some serious number crunching application. And enforcing a power limit would prevent it from ever doing so. For the most part you should still see relatively high clock speeds in gaming.

That CPU cooler is adequate for gaming with any LGA1700 CPU. You could spend a little more on the Peerless Assassin Evo which is slightly better.

If a PSU upgrade is on the table. I would look at something like the
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...lly-modular-atx-power-supply-mag-a750gl-pcie5
That would put you in a good position for any of the 4070 class cards.

12700k is a decent processor, but there were significant improvements with 13th gen. 14th gen is pretty much identical to 13th gen except the 14700 series, there you got 12e cores instead of 8e cores. The price difference here would let you afford DDR5, but nothing really wrong with DDR4 for gaming.

I have a 12700kf and 2x16GB DDR4-4000 and it gets the job done. All depends if you plan on upgrading your CPU with the same board. I probably will, but I can find a use for a 12700kf (already have two LGA1700 boards)

DDR5 with 12700k

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor (£269.97 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£35.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-S WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£169.98 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory (£114.98 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£99.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £688.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-04 18:28 BST+0100

DDR5 with 14700k

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor (£388.44 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£35.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-S WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£169.98 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory (£114.98 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£99.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £807.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-04 18:33 BST+0100

DDR4 with 13700k

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor (£349.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£35.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£174.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£99.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £658.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-04 18:30 BST+0100

DDR4 with 14700k

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor (£388.44 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£35.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£174.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£99.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £697.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-04 18:31 BST+0100

 

[Connor99z]

Well, you probably would never see the full 253W boost unless you were running a benchmark or some serious number crunching application. And enforcing a power limit would prevent it from ever doing so. For the most part you should still see relatively high clock speeds in gaming.

That CPU cooler is adequate for gaming with any LGA1700 CPU. You could spend a little more on the Peerless Assassin Evo which is slightly better.

If a PSU upgrade is on the table. I would look at something like the
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...lly-modular-atx-power-supply-mag-a750gl-pcie5
That would put you in a good position for any of the 4070 class cards.

12700k is a decent processor, but there were significant improvements with 13th gen. 14th gen is pretty much identical to 13th gen except the 14700 series, there you got 12e cores instead of 8e cores. The price difference here would let you afford DDR5, but nothing really wrong with DDR4 for gaming.

I have a 12700kf and 2x16GB DDR4-4000 and it gets the job done. All depends if you plan on upgrading your CPU with the same board. I probably will, but I can find a use for a 12700kf (already have two LGA1700 boards)

DDR5 with 12700k

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor (£269.97 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£35.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-S WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£169.98 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory (£114.98 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£99.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £688.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-04 18:28 BST+0100

DDR5 with 14700k

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor (£388.44 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£35.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-S WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£169.98 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory (£114.98 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£99.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £807.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-04 18:33 BST+0100

DDR4 with 13700k

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor (£349.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£35.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£174.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£99.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £658.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-04 18:30 BST+0100

DDR4 with 14700k

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor (£388.44 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£35.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£174.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£99.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £697.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-04 18:31 BST+0100

I’m really not sure what to do, now it’s either the 12700k, 13700k or the 14700k…
And do I now buy more RAM and go DDR5, I just bought 2 new DDR4 Sticks in January.
Is there ALOT of difference between the 12700k compared to the 14700K? Do I upgrade straight to the 14700K as at the moment I have a i5 6500P.. so either CPU will be a massive jump, but as I don’t have say a 12700k and upgrading to a 14700k which might not be a noticeable increase, for me it’ll be a huge increase so do I go straight for a 14700K?
And the other one is do I just stick with my 3200 DDR4 and perhaps upgrade to say a better DDR4 in the future, if there is higher?

 

[Eximo]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...-12700K-vs-Intel-i7-13700K-vs-Intel-i7-14700K

As you can see there is a significant jump in single thread score from 12th to 13th gen. That is the increased cache and clock boosts at work. The difference between 13th and 14th gen is minor, but you do get a little more cache and cores with the 14700k. Whether that is worth $40, not sure. It is the second fastest (really 3rd or 4th if you count the KS models) chip available for the socket.

What you really have to ask is within the next 2 years or so are you likely to want to upgrade and spend the money on a processor? 12th gen chips came down in price a lot from launch. But that may have something to do with excess availability and AMD being a valid option for builders. 13th and 14th gen haven't yet seen that, but when 15th gen launches later this year they may drop in price. That is what I am counting on. If I can pick up a 14700k for under $300 I will do so. After enough time any reasonable upgrade is going to require a new motherboard. But if you buy the 13700k or 14700k now, then I would not upgrade for a number of years.

DDR4 is end of lifecycle. There are 4400 and 4800 kits that are pretty reasonable, but there is no guarantee any particular CPU will be able to run them that fast. However, spending more money on DDR4 is a bit silly when you already have a significant quantity. Saves you about $120 or more if you stick with what you have. As I said, for gaming only, memory speed isn't that important to Intel. If you keep the DDR4 you have now you certainly will have to replace it when you move beyond LGA1700, LGA1861 should be available later this year and that will be a DDR5 platform only.

DDR5 has dropped enough in price and if you want to go after the higher end stuff there is DDR5 7200, but it will be expensive Expectations are that the DDR5 will top out around 8000 or so for the consumer so in a few years time that may be as cheap as DDR4 3200 is now. (DDR4 started at 2133, and now the standard is 3200, with high OC memory in the 4000s)

Spend the minimum now and do a full upgrade sooner. 12600k might be the way to go there.
Spend for a full rebuild now and keep it for a number of generations of hardware improvement.
Compromise and do small refreshes. (Closer to what I do, but I like to tinker)

 

[Connor99z]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...-12700K-vs-Intel-i7-13700K-vs-Intel-i7-14700K

As you can see there is a significant jump in single thread score from 12th to 13th gen. That is the increased cache and clock boosts at work. The difference between 13th and 14th gen is minor, but you do get a little more cache and cores with the 14700k. Whether that is worth $40, not sure. It is the second fastest (really 3rd or 4th if you count the KS models) chip available for the socket.

What you really have to ask is within the next 2 years or so are you likely to want to upgrade and spend the money on a processor? 12th gen chips came down in price a lot from launch. But that may have something to do with excess availability and AMD being a valid option for builders. 13th and 14th gen haven't yet seen that, but when 15th gen launches later this year they may drop in price. That is what I am counting on. If I can pick up a 14700k for under $300 I will do so. After enough time any reasonable upgrade is going to require a new motherboard. But if you buy the 13700k or 14700k now, then I would not upgrade for a number of years.

DDR4 is end of lifecycle. There are 4400 and 4800 kits that are pretty reasonable, but there is no guarantee any particular CPU will be able to run them that fast. However, spending more money on DDR4 is a bit silly when you already have a significant quantity. Saves you about $120 or more if you stick with what you have. As I said, for gaming only, memory speed isn't that important to Intel. If you keep the DDR4 you have now you certainly will have to replace it when you move beyond LGA1700, LGA1861 should be available later this year and that will be a DDR5 platform only.

DDR5 has dropped enough in price and if you want to go after the higher end stuff there is DDR5 7200, but it will be expensive Expectations are that the DDR5 will top out around 8000 or so for the consumer so in a few years time that may be as cheap as DDR4 3200 is now. (DDR4 started at 2133, and now the standard is 3200, with high OC memory in the 4000s)

Spend the minimum now and do a full upgrade sooner. 12600k might be the way to go there.
Spend for a full rebuild now and keep it for a number of generations of hardware improvement.
Compromise and do small refreshes. (Closer to what I do, but I like to tinker)

I think im just going to go all out and go for the 14700K, and the DDR5 Ram, that way I am pretty much set, only thing is I wont be upgrading my GPU just yet, so would the 14700K be an overkill for my 1070 in regards of bottlenecking, or would it just Max out my GPU which is the more preferred thing?
I will be looking to upgrade my GPU down the line.
Looking at cases, i need a case that has a panel on the right side, as my computer sits on the left side of my desk and would get blocked by the wall, therefore I need a right side panel... or is this complicated because components will be differently placed in the pc? i can just relocate my PC if itll be more of a jobsworth having the glass on the otherside.

In regards to cases, i have found 3 i like, is there any differences between them? is there one i should get over the others? I would like one that hides the PSU and the HDDs.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...-wo-odd-atx-mid-tower-case-mcb-nr600-kgnn-s00

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/bCYQzy/corsair-4000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011200-ww

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...300a-mesh-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300atg_bk01

Also I made a PCPartpicker list, im looking to kind of make my PC look appealing to look at, going to buy some white cables for the PSU, but not sure what else I can do to make it kind of cool, perhaps a water cooler over the other one would look better, im just not sure.

Is there a few Motherboards that I can choose between, is the one you linked the best overall for price?

This is the list of components i have made so far...

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor (£391.42 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory (£136.98 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case (£78.50 @ Computer Orbit)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£99.00 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit
Custom: LINKUP Sleeved Custom PSU Cable Extension Set | GPU Power | 24 pin 8 pin 6 pin Set (£22.96 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £728.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-06 14:24 BST+0100

ATM i have left CPU cooler and Motherboard clear as still deciding on what to get...

Im thinking perhaps a black case, but white inside, weather that’s white components or maybe if I have to get RGB to put white or other colours? Would this be difficult to do, maybe black motherboard, then RGB RAM i can set to whiteish, and then white fans, hm

 

[Eximo]

I do like a black case white build inside. Been doing that for quite a number of years now.

Some parts to look at:

Big white CPU cooler with RGB fans.
White Corsair memory.
Corsair RM850x Shift in white, now the power supply may be hidden, but it comes with white cables, so you don't have to buy anything separately. (If you were to still want white cables with another PSU, I still recommend Corsair, RM850x regular and then a Type 4 kit from cablemod. That replaces the cables entirely rather than extensions. )
Though the PSU cables do come out of the side on this one. I would probably stick with the Corsair case for that one.

This motherboard isn't ideal in terms of being white. (I have several ASRock boards though), but all white boards are generally pretty expensive. So you could also do the all black with white LEDs and white power cables.

In the past I have also done plain non RGB white RAM and let motherboard RGB light them up. Also why I have white bladed fans, rather than have them light up, easier to let them be passively lit by other RGB.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor (£393.40 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE WHITE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£38.69 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z790 Pro RS ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£186.25 @ NeoComputers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory (£139.99 @ Corsair UK)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case (£78.50 @ Computer Orbit)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x SHIFT 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular Side Interface ATX Power Supply (£147.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £984.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-08 14:56 BST+0100

 

[Connor99z]

I do like a black case white build inside. Been doing that for quite a number of years now.

Some parts to look at:

Big white CPU cooler with RGB fans.
White Corsair memory.
Corsair RM850x Shift in white, now the power supply may be hidden, but it comes with white cables, so you don't have to buy anything separately. (If you were to still want white cables with another PSU, I still recommend Corsair, RM850x regular and then a Type 4 kit from cablemod. That replaces the cables entirely rather than extensions. )
Though the PSU cables do come out of the side on this one. I would probably stick with the Corsair case for that one.

This motherboard isn't ideal in terms of being white. (I have several ASRock boards though), but all white boards are generally pretty expensive. So you could also do the all black with white LEDs and white power cables.

In the past I have also done plain non RGB white RAM and let motherboard RGB light them up. Also why I have white bladed fans, rather than have them light up, easier to let them be passively lit by other RGB.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor (£393.40 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE WHITE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£38.69 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z790 Pro RS ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£186.25 @ NeoComputers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory (£139.99 @ Corsair UK)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case (£78.50 @ Computer Orbit)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x SHIFT 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular Side Interface ATX Power Supply (£147.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £984.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-08 14:56 BST+0100

Thanks, a few questions. That Motherboard you linked, says No WIFI does that mean I just have to put a WiFi board in? My current motherboard has a seperate WiFi antenna I bought and plugs into the PCIE slot with 2 antennas off it.
How is the NVME slots on it, can I put more than one on there and is XMP and other functions on it? As the current motherboard I have now is pretty scarce and limited functionality.

The case on PCPARTPICKER is only tempered glass, when you select normal glass it goes up to like £300 because you have to have it with a power supply; what’s seeing inside the case like with tempered glass? As I don’t want to go for an aesthetic look but end up not being able to see in.

What’s the difference between that cooler and water cooling, apart from price? Is this better than AIO water cooling?

And lastly is a bottleneck between a 14700K and my 1070 going to happen? I did read up if anything my GPU will be maxing out which is an ideal boytlenrck scenario rather than say a CPU.