Credit Inquiry by Cingular Wireless

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I worked in the wireless industry for just over 4 years for
SunCom/AT&T Wireless before I left the company in February of this
year.

My girlfriend at the time had a phone through AT&T WS for roughly 4
years, before SunCom was bought out. She later added her mom to her
account as they shared the family plan, which allowed for free M2M at
that time (her mom was added while it was still SunCom as well). Time
went on, service became unbearable, so she cancelled her main line,
but left the secondary line (her mom) active.

I, am employee of AT&T Wireless, decided I had enough of the service
and activated service for my girlfriend (now my wife) and myself with
Nextel. We have had our service with Nextel for just over a year and
are happy with our decision.

Her mom, recently de-activated her phone, which was still under my
wife's account. AT&T Wireless did have to get permission from my wife
to close the account. All is fine there.

Her mom, then ported her number over to Cingular. Cingular, when
taking in the port, must have acquired my wife's SSN and ran her
credit. They also ran her mom's credit (as well they should) since
the account was going to be in her name. Her mom, nor did my wife
NEVER authorized Cingular to run my wife's credit and we are rather
upset about their unauthorized viewing of her credit history. Can
anyone tell me WHY Cingular had to run my wife's credit, since she
does not have account with Cingular? And why weren't we informed?

What is my next recourse of action? I've never had a situation like
this one before, but I sure don't want to have this happen again.
Issuing a fraud alet on my wife's SSN is a possibility, but is
Cingular liable for anything here?

Please help.

Sharon Needles (of course, not my real name)

 

[MD]

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"Sharon Needles" <sharonneedles@getHIV.ORG> wrote:

[snipped the part of the story that isn't germaine to the question]


> Her mom, then ported her number over to Cingular. Cingular, when
> taking in the port, must have acquired my wife's SSN and ran her
> credit. They also ran her mom's credit (as well they should) since
> the account was going to be in her name. Her mom, nor did my wife
> NEVER authorized Cingular to run my wife's credit and we are rather
> upset about their unauthorized viewing of her credit history. Can
> anyone tell me WHY Cingular had to run my wife's credit, since she
> does not have account with Cingular? And why weren't we informed?
>
> What is my next recourse of action? I've never had a situation like
> this one before, but I sure don't want to have this happen again.
> Issuing a fraud alet on my wife's SSN is a possibility, but is
> Cingular liable for anything here?

How exactly could Cingular have run credit without your mother willingly
providing your wife's SSN to them? Maybe her credit isn't so good and she
provided your wife's SSN number fradulently. The vast majority of credit
fraud is committed by someone that is related to (or is well acquainted
with) the victim. Let's hope that's not the case , but it sounds fishy to
me.

A potential creditor wouldn't need a second SSN if the first one came out
clean.

---
MD

 

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Her mom, who never authorized Cingular to run her daughter's credit
(which she can't legally do anyway), has better a credit score than
her daughter (my wife) as she is in the 800 range, while my wife's
Equifax score is 766. Credit is not issue. We're very protective of
our credit history and that's why we are concerned that Cingular ran
my wife's credit, even though she has NEVER stepped foot into a
Cingular store, kiosk, third-party retailer or visited their website.

They obtain my wife's information from ATTWS and ran her credit
without her permission and we were NEVER notified until we pulled my
wife's credit yesterday when we went to purchase a vehicle.

What would you do?

Thanks for the reply,

SN

On Sun, 30 May 2004 21:12:19 GMT, "MD" <md@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Sharon Needles" <sharonneedles@getHIV.ORG> wrote:
>
>[snipped the part of the story that isn't germaine to the question]
>
>
>> Her mom, then ported her number over to Cingular. Cingular, when
>> taking in the port, must have acquired my wife's SSN and ran her
>> credit. They also ran her mom's credit (as well they should) since
>> the account was going to be in her name. Her mom, nor did my wife
>> NEVER authorized Cingular to run my wife's credit and we are rather
>> upset about their unauthorized viewing of her credit history. Can
>> anyone tell me WHY Cingular had to run my wife's credit, since she
>> does not have account with Cingular? And why weren't we informed?
>>
>> What is my next recourse of action? I've never had a situation like
>> this one before, but I sure don't want to have this happen again.
>> Issuing a fraud alet on my wife's SSN is a possibility, but is
>> Cingular liable for anything here?
>
>How exactly could Cingular have run credit without your mother willingly
>providing your wife's SSN to them? Maybe her credit isn't so good and she
>provided your wife's SSN number fradulently. The vast majority of credit
>fraud is committed by someone that is related to (or is well acquainted
>with) the victim. Let's hope that's not the case , but it sounds fishy to
>me.
>
>A potential creditor wouldn't need a second SSN if the first one came out
>clean.
>
>---
>MD
>

 

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>What would you do?

First I would forget about it.

Then get on with my life.

The two above actions would be prudent because there is no recourse. ANY retail
company can run a credit report on ANY person that they get a SSN for unless
that person has previously told the company that they can't.

--
John S.
e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net

 

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"John S." <sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree> wrote in message
news:20040531083150.09837.00000279@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >What would you do?
>
> First I would forget about it.
>
> Then get on with my life.
>
> The two above actions would be prudent because there is no recourse. ANY
retail
> company can run a credit report on ANY person that they get a SSN for
unless
> that person has previously told the company that they can't.
>
> --
> John S.

John is exactly on point. If you've ever checked your own credit report,
you'll likely find that it has been checked, in some cases repeatedly, by
various entitiies, particular credit card companies wanting to find new
customers to mail unsolicited applications to. They don't need, and don't
request, your permission to do so.

 

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You have missed the point. My wife did NOT authorize anyone from
Cingular to pull her credit report. My wife's mother did NOT
authorize anyone from Cingular to pull her daughter's credit report.
They did it on their own. They got the SSN from the port request from
ATTWS and ran her credit without her consent.

What don't you understand about this? I have made myself very clear.
Do you work for Cingular?

Consumers do have rights. The Fair Credit Reporting Act was created
for disputes just like this.

SN



On 31 May 2004 12:31:50 GMT, sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree (John S.)
wrote:

>>What would you do?
>
>First I would forget about it.
>
>Then get on with my life.
>
>The two above actions would be prudent because there is no recourse. ANY retail
>company can run a credit report on ANY person that they get a SSN for unless
>that person has previously told the company that they can't.

 

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First, companies can only request a credit report when they have a valid
reason to do so.
Second, if you have an account with any company, they can and do run
periodic checks on you.
Third, the inquires that you see from credit card companies are not specific
to your SSN. They are generated in bulk based upon criteria set by the
requestor. They didn't use your SSN to access it. That's what generates
the mail you get for new cards.
Fourth, you can request that credit bureaus not include you in those
marketing searches and/or no requests without your specific permission.
Fifth, as someone else said, get over it.

"RWEmerson" <foolishconsistency@hobgoblin.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John S." <sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree> wrote in message
> news:20040531083150.09837.00000279@mb-m06.aol.com...
> > >What would you do?
> >
> > First I would forget about it.
> >
> > Then get on with my life.
> >
> > The two above actions would be prudent because there is no recourse. ANY
> retail
> > company can run a credit report on ANY person that they get a SSN for
> unless
> > that person has previously told the company that they can't.
> >
> > --
> > John S.
>
> John is exactly on point. If you've ever checked your own credit report,
> you'll likely find that it has been checked, in some cases repeatedly, by
> various entitiies, particular credit card companies wanting to find new
> customers to mail unsolicited applications to. They don't need, and don't
> request, your permission to do so.
>
>

 

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Not true. Unless you specifically give a credit card company
permission, they cannot pull your credit report.

Credit card companies DO send out pre-approvals based upon your credit
history, but always note, it is subject to change until a credit
report is actually ran for that particular company.

They can look all they want as it does NOT put an inquiry on your
report. The only time it will put an inquiry on your report is when
you give them permission to do so.

SN



On Mon, 31 May 2004 07:03:48 -0600, "RWEmerson"
<foolishconsistency@hobgoblin.com> wrote:

>
>"John S." <sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree> wrote in message
>news:20040531083150.09837.00000279@mb-m06.aol.com...
>> >What would you do?
>>
>> First I would forget about it.
>>
>> Then get on with my life.
>>
>> The two above actions would be prudent because there is no recourse. ANY
>retail
>> company can run a credit report on ANY person that they get a SSN for
>unless
>> that person has previously told the company that they can't.
>>
>> --
>> John S.
>
>John is exactly on point. If you've ever checked your own credit report,
>you'll likely find that it has been checked, in some cases repeatedly, by
>various entitiies, particular credit card companies wanting to find new
>customers to mail unsolicited applications to. They don't need, and don't
>request, your permission to do so.
>

 

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Do you work for a credit reporting company? I do and am well aware of what
can and can't be done.

"Sharon Needles" <sharonneedles@getHIV.ORG> wrote in message
news:qllmb0lv7nb3q0ecvcekgjvd8dcb193ov9@4ax.com...
> Not true. Unless you specifically give a credit card company
> permission, they cannot pull your credit report.
>
> Credit card companies DO send out pre-approvals based upon your credit
> history, but always note, it is subject to change until a credit
> report is actually ran for that particular company.
>
> They can look all they want as it does NOT put an inquiry on your
> report. The only time it will put an inquiry on your report is when
> you give them permission to do so.
>
> SN
>
>
>
> On Mon, 31 May 2004 07:03:48 -0600, "RWEmerson"
> <foolishconsistency@hobgoblin.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"John S." <sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree> wrote in message
> >news:20040531083150.09837.00000279@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >> >What would you do?
> >>
> >> First I would forget about it.
> >>
> >> Then get on with my life.
> >>
> >> The two above actions would be prudent because there is no recourse.
ANY
> >retail
> >> company can run a credit report on ANY person that they get a SSN for
> >unless
> >> that person has previously told the company that they can't.
> >>
> >> --
> >> John S.
> >
> >John is exactly on point. If you've ever checked your own credit report,
> >you'll likely find that it has been checked, in some cases repeatedly, by
> >various entitiies, particular credit card companies wanting to find new
> >customers to mail unsolicited applications to. They don't need, and don't
> >request, your permission to do so.
> >
>

 

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Go to this link and pay very close attention to para 604.
http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/fcra.htm#604

"Sharon Needles" <sharonneedles@getHIV.ORG> wrote in message
news:qllmb0lv7nb3q0ecvcekgjvd8dcb193ov9@4ax.com...
> Not true. Unless you specifically give a credit card company
> permission, they cannot pull your credit report.
>
> Credit card companies DO send out pre-approvals based upon your credit
> history, but always note, it is subject to change until a credit
> report is actually ran for that particular company.
>
> They can look all they want as it does NOT put an inquiry on your
> report. The only time it will put an inquiry on your report is when
> you give them permission to do so.
>
> SN
>
>
>
> On Mon, 31 May 2004 07:03:48 -0600, "RWEmerson"
> <foolishconsistency@hobgoblin.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"John S." <sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree> wrote in message
> >news:20040531083150.09837.00000279@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >> >What would you do?
> >>
> >> First I would forget about it.
> >>
> >> Then get on with my life.
> >>
> >> The two above actions would be prudent because there is no recourse.
ANY
> >retail
> >> company can run a credit report on ANY person that they get a SSN for
> >unless
> >> that person has previously told the company that they can't.
> >>
> >> --
> >> John S.
> >
> >John is exactly on point. If you've ever checked your own credit report,
> >you'll likely find that it has been checked, in some cases repeatedly, by
> >various entitiies, particular credit card companies wanting to find new
> >customers to mail unsolicited applications to. They don't need, and don't
> >request, your permission to do so.
> >
>

 

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And the following from privacyrights.org


Can the information in my credit file be vsed for any other pvrposes?

Yes. The practice of generating and selling lists for vse in "pre-approved"
credit and insvrance offers is allowed by law. Trans Union, Experian and
Eqvifax all engage in selling lists of consvmers who meet certain criteria
in order to receive a "firm" offer of credit or insvrance. This is the
sovrce of the many pre-approved credit offers most consvmers receive in the
mail. "Pre-approved" and so-called "firm" offers of credit, however, can be
somewhat misleading. A creditor may legally look at yovr report before
making the offer. If yov respond, the creditor may again access yovr report
before yov are actvally granted credit. They can deny yovr credit
application at that time. This is explained in the fine print on the
pre-approved offer.

The law does not allow CRAs to compile and sell information from credit
reports for the pvrpose of direct marketing. Althovgh CRAs have engaged in
this practice in the past, the Federal Trade Commission, on March 1, 2000,
rvled that Trans Union violated the FCRA by the sale of personal credit
information for target marketing pvrposes. To read the FTC's fvll opinion,
see www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/03/transvnion.htm. Trans Union has appealed the FTC
's decision and the matter is now vnder review in federal covrt. Eqvifax
states it does not sell lists vsed for direct or target marketing. Experian,
on the other hand, sells lists of consvmers to marketers derived from
consvmer svrveys, demographics sovrces, and pvblic records. Experian states
that it does not sell information obtained directly from credit reports for
marketing pvrposes. See www.experian.com/directmktg/lists.html.

Yov can remove yovr name from any list compiled by a CRA, whether the list
is for pre-approved credit offers or direct marketing. To "opt-ovt," that
is, to remove yovr name from mailing lists compiled by credit bvreavs, call
the toll-free nvmber all CRAs are reqvired by law to maintain for this
pvrpose: (888) 5OPTOUT or (888) 567-8688. This phone nvmber can be vsed to
remove yovr name from the list of all three CRAs. Yov may also write to the
CRA, and the CRA may also provide an online means for opting-ovt.

"Sharon Needles" <sharonneedles@getHIV.ORG> wrote in message
news:qllmb0lv7nb3q0ecvcekgjvd8dcb193ov9@4ax.com...
> Not trve. Unless yov specifically give a credit card company
> permission, they cannot pvll yovr credit report.
>
> Credit card companies DO send ovt pre-approvals based vpon yovr credit
> history, bvt always note, it is svbject to change vntil a credit
> report is actvally ran for that particvlar company.
>
> They can look all they want as it does NOT pvt an inqviry on yovr
> report. The only time it will pvt an inqviry on yovr report is when
> yov give them permission to do so.
>
> SN
>
>
>
> On Mon, 31 May 2004 07:03:48 -0600, "RWEmerson"
> <foolishconsistency@hobgoblin.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"John S." <sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree> wrote in message
> >news:20040531083150.09837.00000279@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >> >What wovld yov do?
> >>
> >> First I wovld forget abovt it.
> >>
> >> Then get on with my life.
> >>
> >> The two above actions wovld be prvdent becavse there is no recovrse.
ANY
> >retail
> >> company can rvn a credit report on ANY person that they get a SSN for
> >vnless
> >> that person has previovsly told the company that they can't.
> >>
> >> --
> >> John S.
> >
> >John is exactly on point. If yov've ever checked yovr own credit report,
> >yov'll likely find that it has been checked, in some cases repeatedly, by
> >variovs entitiies, particvlar credit card companies wanting to find new
> >cvstomers to mail vnsolicited applications to. They don't need, and don't
> >reqvest, yovr permission to do so.
> >
>

 

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"Sharon Needles" <sharonneedles@getHIV.ORG> wrote in message
news:6ilmb0dgrdtlbbaeohf6q55pfeq8e26du0@4ax.com...
> You have missed the point. My wife did NOT authorize anyone from
> Cingular to pull her credit report. My wife's mother did NOT
> authorize anyone from Cingular to pull her daughter's credit report.
> They did it on their own. They got the SSN from the port request from
> ATTWS and ran her credit without her consent.
>
> What don't you understand about this? I have made myself very clear.
> Do you work for Cingular?
>
> Consumers do have rights. The Fair Credit Reporting Act was created
> for disputes just like this.
>

Actually, the FCRA was enacted to give consumers a path of action if there
were errors on their credit report, and to prevent false information from
hitting your credit report (among other things not related to the report).
Your credit report is accurate- Cingular did the credit check. There is
nothing to dispute. The phone number that was being ported was associated
with your wife's credit (prior to the port). By allowing someone to port
that number, you have given permission for the companies to perform whatever
business practices they have in effect to port a number. If running the
credit report of the person responsible for the number is a part of that
business process, they are within their rights to do so. The only person
you would have a beef with is the person who initiated the porting process,
because it appears that they set a course of action into motion that is
unacceptable to you.

 

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>Do you work for a credit reporting company? I do and am well aware of what
>can and can't be done.

I would like to correspond with you a bit because of issues I have and don't
know how to correct.

E-Mail me?

--
John S.
e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net

 

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Sorry, there are very specific ways of correcting/disputing information, and
this is not one of them.

"John S." <sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree> wrote in message
news:20040531131041.13931.00000118@mb-m24.aol.com...
> >Do you work for a credit reporting company? I do and am well aware of
what
> >can and can't be done.
>
> I would like to correspond with you a bit because of issues I have and
don't
> know how to correct.
>
> E-Mail me?
>
> --
> John S.
> e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net

 

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"Sharon Needles" <sharonneedles@getHIV.ORG> wrote in message
news:qllmb0lv7nb3q0ecvcekgjvd8dcb193ov9@4ax.com...
> Not true. Unless you specifically give a credit card company
> permission, they cannot pull your credit report.
>
> Credit card companies DO send out pre-approvals based upon your credit
> history, but always note, it is subject to change until a credit
> report is actually ran for that particular company.
>
> They can look all they want as it does NOT put an inquiry on your
> report. The only time it will put an inquiry on your report is when
> you give them permission to do so.
[SNIP]

Simply incorrect. Your anger is based in large measure on not understanding
the issue. As Tee Box suggested, you ought to get over this and move on.

 

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"Tee Box" <chilidip@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:IFJuc.1621$CW.821@lakeread05...
> Go to this link and pay very close attention to para 604.
> http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/fcra.htm#604

Bingo!

 

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"Tee Box" <chilidip@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XLJvc.1622$CW.1225@lakeread05...
> And the following from privacyrights.org
>
>
> Can the information in my credit file be vsed for any other pvrposes?
>
> Yes. The practice of generating and selling lists for vse in
"pre-approved"
> credit and insvrance offers is allowed by law. Trans Union, Experian and
> Eqvifax all engage in selling lists of consvmers who meet certain criteria
> in order to receive a "firm" offer of credit or insvrance. This is the
> sovrce of the many pre-approved credit offers most consvmers receive in
the
> mail. "Pre-approved" and so-called "firm" offers of credit, however, can
be
> somewhat misleading. A creditor may legally look at yovr report before
> making the offer. If yov respond, the creditor may again access yovr
report
> before yov are actvally granted credit. They can deny yovr credit
> application at that time. This is explained in the fine print on the
> pre-approved offer.
[SNIP]

Bingo, bingo!

 

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"Tee Box" <chilidip@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:djIuc.1612$CW.817@lakeread05...
> First, companies can only request a credit report when they have a valid
> reason to do so.
> Second, if you have an account with any company, they can and do run
> periodic checks on you.
> Third, the inquires that you see from credit card companies are not
specific
> to your SSN. They are generated in bulk based upon criteria set by the
> requestor. They didn't use your SSN to access it. That's what generates
> the mail you get for new cards.
> Fourth, you can request that credit bureaus not include you in those
> marketing searches and/or no requests without your specific permission.
> Fifth, as someone else said, get over it.

Correct on all points. It isn't an [entirely] random process. Your #4 (and
#5) is much to the point, it seems to me.