[SOLVED] Custom Build opinions please.

[StarLost1701]

I haven't built a PC from scratch in over 20 years- I have been patchworking since what seems like forever.
(Dual core athalon 64bit Win7 Enterprise 4gb ram)
I'm saving to make a new gaming build and I am stuck on the power supply (specifically if it has enough/the correct connectors). I should be able to afford the build in about 2 months- plenty of time to plan.

Here are the parts I'm looking at right now, their current price, and their Amazon links:

MOTHERBOARD:
Asus AM4 TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi) ATX motherboard with PCIe 4.0, dual M.2, 12+2 with Dr. MOS power stage, HDMI, DP, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.2 Gen 2 and Aura Sync RGB lighting
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SXF8GY3/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_89GkFbMDECSV9
(8 pin + 4pin power)
$190
(I prefer these ATX full size boards, easier to work on)

CPU & COOLER COMBO:
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core, 16-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor with Wraith Prism LED Cooler
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SXMZLPK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_FfHkFbMXCNH0N
$280
(You never have to worry about a fan leaking liquid coolant)

VIDEO CARD:
MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 2060 Super 8GB GDRR6 256-Bit HDMI/DP G-Sync Turing Architecture Overclocked Graphics Card (RTX 2060 Super Ventus GP OC) (RTX 2060 Super Ventus GP OC)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YXQ19NC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_WiHkFb2NNMDSD
$410
(8-pin power plug?)
(2070 super isn't worth the extra money IMHO and 2060 super has additional display port and 8GB with raytrace)

OS Drive:
WD_Black SN750 500GB NVMe Internal Gaming SSD - Gen3 PCIe, M.2 2280, 3D NAND - WDS500G3X0C
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MH2P5ZD/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_knHkFb9QZEHCJ
$80

Programs' drive:
WD_Black SN750 1TB NVMe Internal Gaming SSD - Gen3 PCIe, M.2 2280, 3D NAND - WDS100T3X0C
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07M64QXMN/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_ypHkFb9QFH151
$150

RAM: 64GB
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit - Black
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_guHkFbJB36H0S
$140 ($70 x 2)

Case:
Cheapest budget ATX case I can find
$100

OS:
Windows 10 Pro 64
($150 , less if I shop around more)

For the power supply I'm looking at :
EVGA 750 N1, 750W, 2 Year Warranty, Power Supply 100-N1-0750-L1
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZ3WDQG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_T7IkFbCVE4J2T
$65

Cost of build:
approx $1600 + tax&shipping

I know I may not need a full 750 watts, but some reviews on the motherboard say they underestimate the power needed which has caused people boot trouble.

Does that power supply meet all requirements?
Are there any recommendations or concerns regarding the rest of the hardware or it's compatibility?

Any input is appreciated.

 

[Hellfire13]

You can do better if you look beyond "Amazon only"...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor | $279.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler | Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler | $48.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard | $189.99 @ B&H
Memory | Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory | $72.99 @ B&H
Storage | Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $64.98 @ Amazon
Storage | Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $109.99 @ Newegg
Video Card | Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card | $499.99 @ Newegg
Case | Corsair 275R Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case | $79.98 @ Amazon
Power Supply | SeaSonic FOCUS 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | $109.99 @ Best Buy
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $1456.89
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-05 01:36 EDT-0400 |

Windows...
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/get-windows-10-free-or-cheap,5717.html

 

[Mrgr74]

Hi @StarLost1701

Looks like the beginnings of a very nice system.

(Typo?) RAM --> 2x8GB x 4 slots = 32GB RAM, not 64. If you go with 64, you'll want 4x16GB kit, not 2 sets of 2x16GB. Like this for example. What will the PC's primary use be? 64GB is overkill for regular usage &/or gaming.

Would advise you to swap out the 2060 for a 5700XT. Same price but better overall. I have this card and it is excellent. It even gives the 2070 super a run for it's money and is only slightly slower & in some cases $100 cheaper.

I would also suggest you scrap the stock CPU cooler. Last week for my birthday my wife bought me the Noctua NH-D15 for my 2700X. A week later I'm STILL blown away at how excellent it is. Night & day better than the stock Wraith Prism.

@Hellfire13 above speaks truth.

 

[madmatt30]

^ what hellfire said, also pairing that setup with a cheap poor quality Evga n1 white psu would be a travesty.
A good 550w psu is way better than a tat quality 750w.

 

[StarLost1701]

@Hellfire13 :

- The Amazon CPU and fan are bundled, so I get that cheaper.

- You are looking at 32gb ram (8GB X 4 ) I'm looking at 64GB ram (16GB x 4)

-Motherboard the same and same price

-you are looking at the 2070 super for $100 more without giving $100 worth of extra performance (IMHO)

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wnCQqNUaVcU

I also like the option of the 4th vid port offered by the 2060.

-The WD Black series shows higher performance than the WD Blue series you listed, and a lot of my non-gaming activities are very HDD intensive.
And the WD_Black appears to SERIOUSLY outperform the Crucial brand in some essential tasks : https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compa...ial-P1-3D-NVMe-PCIe-M2-500GB/m485459vsm614152

Some of the other items were just ballpark estimates such as a basic ATX case and price for windows. I also plan to pop in a cheap B-ray/DVD drive for some work reasons.

 

[StarLost1701]

Hi @StarLost1701

(Typo?) RAM --> 2x8GB x 4 slots = 32GB RAM, not 64. If you go with 64, you'll want 4x16GB kit, not 2 sets of 2x16GB. Like this for example. What will the PC's primary use be? 64GB is overkill for regular usage &/or gaming.

@Hellfire13 above speaks truth.

Woah!!! Thank you, major brain fart on my part. I must of got browser tabs mixed up when filling my wishlist. That would have been an expensive mistake.
I'll look into the other recommendations you posted as well.

 

[Hellfire13]

You are looking at 32gb ram (8GB X 4 ) I'm looking at 64GB ram (16GB x 4)

You have listed 2x8gb RAM in your original post. For gaming, 16gb is usually fine.

you are looking at the 2070 super for $100 more without giving $100 worth of extra performance (IMHO)

There is a significant difference, whether you find the price justified is another thing.

The WD Black series shows higher performance than the WD Blue series you listed, and a lot of my non-gaming activities are very HDD intensive.
And the WD_Black appears to SERIOUSLY outperform the Crucial brand in some essential tasks : https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compa...ial-P1-3D-NVMe-PCIe-M2-500GB/m485459vsm614152

For a gaming rig, you wont notice any difference.

Here is a updated list...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor | $279.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler | Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler | $48.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard | $189.99 @ B&H
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory | $144.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $64.98 @ Amazon
Storage | Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $109.99 @ Newegg
Video Card | MSI GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS GP OC Video Card | $409.99 @ Newegg
Case | Corsair 275R Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case | $79.98 @ Amazon
Power Supply | SeaSonic FOCUS 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | $109.99 @ Best Buy
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $1438.89
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-05 03:42 EDT-0400 |

 

[StarLost1701]

I'm not really sure I want to give up the option of the Ray Tracing that the 2060 Super offers, but it is very tempting for the extra performance. I'm glad I have time to chew it over and decide, because a lot of games don't really offer Ray Tracing anyway... At least not right now.

I was actually kinda Shakey going with the stock CPU fan, The Ryzen 7 3700x seems a bit.... Stressed by the sound of it. Like a 15HP engine pushed to 20HP of work. And, if I recall correctly, they originally recommended liquid cooling for Ryzen 7 CPUs. The Noctua NH-D15 does look like a nice fan beast that I could use to even lower my AC bill or leaf-blower my office😉
I think I will revisit it after I see how much space I have available on the actual board between CPU , Ram, and the vid card space.

Multiple reviews on this board come back saying that, despite the manual, this Mobo has trouble with less than 500watt. Plus I need to power the gfx. This is why I was looking for a 750watt - if it only needs 500watts then it will only draw 500watts and save me POST debugging headaches of insufficient power. but, as I said, it's been years since I built a PC from scratch and im not even sure what the different size connectors are called.
The board is 8pin+4pin, vid cards range from 4pin to 8pin. (2600 Super is 8 pin, non super is 4 pin) Would like a couple of SATA cords for options (board supports multiple SATA drives) .
I don't even know if a "4 pin peripheral" is the same as a 4 pin motherboard power plug.

So please recommend a specific PSupply like I'm a complete noob 😛

 

[Hellfire13]

I'm not really sure I want to give up the option of the Ray Tracing that the 2060 Super offers, but it is very tempting for the extra performance. I'm glad I have time to chew it over and decide, because a lot of games don't really offer Ray Tracing anyway... At least not right now.

I was actually kinda Shakey going with the stock CPU fan, The Ryzen 7 3700x seems a bit.... Stressed by the sound of it. Like a 15HP engine pushed to 20HP of work. And, if I recall correctly, they originally recommended liquid cooling for Ryzen 7 CPUs. The Noctua NH-D15 does look like a nice fan beast that I could use to even lower my AC bill or leaf-blower my office😉
I think I will revisit it after I see how much space I have available on the actual board between CPU , Ram, and the vid card space.

Multiple reviews on this board come back saying that, despite the manual, this Mobo has trouble with less than 500watt. Plus I need to power the gfx. This is why I was looking for a 750watt - if it only needs 500watts then it will only draw 500watts and save me POST debugging headaches of insufficient power. but, as I said, it's been years since I built a PC from scratch and im not even sure what the different size connectors are called.
The board is 8pin+4pin, vid cards range from 4pin to 8pin. (2600 Super is 8 pin, non super is 4 pin) Would like a couple of SATA cords for options (board supports multiple SATA drives) .
I don't even know if a "4 pin peripheral" is the same as a 4 pin motherboard power plug.

So please recommend a specific PSupply like I'm a complete noob 😛

The cooler and PSU are both top quality and should be adequate for the mentioned build. Check the reviews.

 

[Mrgr74]

I'm not really sure I want to give up the option of the Ray Tracing that the 2060 Super offers, but it is very tempting for the extra performance. I'm glad I have time to chew it over and decide, because a lot of games don't really offer Ray Tracing anyway... At least not right now.

The Noctua NH-D15 does look like a nice fan beast that I could use to even lower my AC bill or leaf-blower my office😉

If you want Ray Tracing and plan on using it and having your settings turned up, I'd suggest going with a 2070 Super over the 2060. The 2060 is like the 1060 was. (I have 1 in my daughters PC) A good solid card but not the most powerful once you start cranking the res up & turning on the whiz-bang effects otherwise known as Ray Tracing. The 2060 is also hit & miss in terms of reliability. We have several members here that have 1 and will vouch for them but a quick Google search will also show that the 2060 has issues. Much like people saying that AMD cards have driver issues. Some people get lucky & others lose the lottery. My 5700XT has been fantastic with zero issues.

The NH-D15 is massive. As in I-cannot-believe-it-fit-into-my-case massive. Unless you see one in person, pictures do it no justice. As for temps, I can't speak about the upper versions of the 3K series, but my 2700X went from an idle temp of 40-50c down to 28-30c. After an hour of playing Divinity Original Sin 2, I checked my temps and they were 32c or 90f. 90f! Thats downright chilly and after gaming... Maybe that game isn't the most demanding. Highest recorded temps was 48c when the inside ambient temp of my house was 82f and I had just gotten out of playing Wildlands for several hours. As for sound, the D15 can be plugged directly into your mobo's power or you can use the silent fan adapter that comes with it. I have it spinning full speed and it's still overall pretty quiet.

Very excited for you mate! Are you going to put it together yourself or have a buddy do it?

 

[StarLost1701]

Myself.
I figure maybe:
old_school_knowledge * RTFM + (headache * 2) = good_enough
😆