DEAR NVIDIA, (what the hell is wrong with you??)

[dragoncyber]

Dear Nvidia,

I am obviously not the first one to state that they are entirely angered by the results of the recent GTX280 benchmarks. I have been an Nvidia customer since the original Geforce series, always trusting the reliable green team to be at the forefront of the graphics race.

Instead this time I am completely thrown for a loop as Nvidia expects us to pay 600.00-650.00 for a (New Generation) graphics card release that performs in most cases lower than a 9800GX2 which at the time of this report is actually 150-200 dollars cheaper, and once released will most likely drop even further.

Not to mention the 9800GTX which is basically on par with an 8800 ultra is down below 300.00!! Tri-SLi anyone?? Three 9800GTX's would out perform "Quad Sli 9800GX2's" and this has already been proven on several sites (AnandTech..Hello???)WTF is wrong with Nvidia?? Tri has already been posting great numbers!!

So obviously knowing this going into a release you would want to put something on the table that would blow the doors off your current best configurations. Instead we are handed mere 15-20% gains in some situations, and actually being beat in others. And of course they didn't post SLI tests here for this report.

The next thing that really gets my goat is selling a GTX260 card for 200-250 dollars less, and it has only an 18-20% decrease in performance as compared to your new shiny Top-Of-The Line. With a little over clocking and some good cooling it's the same card in performance tets. What gives??

Now the biggest embarrassment for Nvidia is that they are pushing CUDA technology and folding at home client CRAP!! These cards are designed for gaming!! Who gives a crap about how fast they can cure cancer or render 3D medical images and scans of the human body. Maybe 10% of the cards produced will be used for this purpose. The rest will be for GAMING!! What in the hell are we even talking about that junk for in this article?? Does that even matter when really what everyone cares about is will it beat the crap out of Crysis!!?? Will it Provide me solid gaming for the next 2 years?? Is it worth my hard earned money??

So far I am in AWE...Yes..But not the good AWE, the bad one, the I can't believe this is happening here comes the BIG RED DRAGON(ATI)breathing fire and brimstone , I'm a scared little peseant in a village AWE!! I am this close to throwing away my 790i board, putting my 8800GT SLi'd on Ebay, and switching over to a crossfire platform.

Again I cannot state again how utterly disappointed I am at this turn of events, and the worst part is that there will be no way they could do a GTX280 X2 card because the manufacturing process and die size are too huge, and too hot to combine them. They would literally have to redesign the entire thing, basically doing a new release all over again.

I'm afraid to say it but I think this will be like one of those boxing matches where, the underdog is in the corner getting punched on left and right...Then something clicks, and he decides enough is enough, and he throws a BIG left that hits the other guy right in the jaw. He doesn’t see it coming, and as he hits the mat he thinks. "This guy still has some fight in him". Personally I hope ATI comes out on top with the 4870 X2. That will make Nvidia realize they can't sit around in their offices all year playing Nerf Hoops, and living off the fat of their successes over the last 4 years. They have gotten fat and lazy, and this card shows it all over the place.

I am however going to wait, and see if the driver improvements make any difference at all in the upcoming weeks to a couple months. I have a 8800GT Sli system, and I'm sitting pretty as far as I am concerned. I Still consider the 8800 GT 512mb to be one of the best graphics cards ever made, and a combo of them is hard to beat. So I will wait and see what happens.

Best of Luck to any who choose to buy it upon release, I think soon you will wish you had waited just a bit longer. the price will drop drastically once all the Tech sites get there reviews out.

 

[quantum112]

k.

 

[spongebob]

Who gives a crap about how fast they can cure cancer or render 3D medical images and scans of the human body.

Who gives a crap? Perhaps anyone who has watched a friend or loved one DIE of cancer.

 

[sailer]

Who gives a crap? Perhaps anyone who has watched a friend or loved one DIE of cancer.

Add to that those of us that have Multiple Sclerosis or various other diseases. Of course, Nvidia should have been supporting F@H for a long time. Nvidia has just been too unconcerning with the real world in the past.

But now they have shown themselves unconcerned with gamers. They recently have taken on Intel, claimed that their new chips would be earth shattering fast, nobody understood how great they would be, and a lot of other BS. It makes me wonder if their whole design team and marketing staff has been on a group acid trip.

Yes, I'm totally disappointed in this card. It is a waste of silicone and an insult to games. For years I've alternated between ATI and Nvidia cards, but Nvidia is going to be left out and forgotten by me at this round.

 

[spuddyt]

you never can tell, its possible the 48xx will be disgustingly crap as well....

 

[sailer]

you never can tell, its possible the 48xx will be disgustingly crap as well....

True, it could happen, but ATI hasn't been making such great claims for the 4870 as Nvidia has for the 280. I expect the 4870 will be a nice step up from the 3870, and it will carry a decent price tag to boot. But we shall see in another week when the reviews come out.

 

[SpinachEater]

Dude...participate in the discussion threads instead of starting offensive rants

 

[royalcrown]

you never can tell, its possible the 48xx will be disgustingly crap as well....

Since I alreaDY THOUGHT ati WAS GONNA SUCK...i CAN ONLY BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THEM...damn caps *gets can of "raid cap be gone"

 

[smartel7070]

Yeah I also find the new Nvidia card a little disappointing. I think if ATI can give us a product that performs great at prices well below that of the green team we will see a shift in sales numbers. I am not a fanboy of either brands, I only want the best bang for the buck and it doesn't look like it's coming from Nvidia with the new gen cards. ATI has the door wide open to take back market shares let's hope they can deliver !!!

 

[dragoncyber]

Too all those offended by the lack of importance I put on the medical uses of this card, I am sorry. But I am a gamer and as most people reading about this card will agree they are concerned about the performance of the card in games, not how many scientific solutions it can provide in the coming years using folding @home. While I agree that, that is great, Nvidia has several other offerings in its professional series of cards that will do much better, (like the one based off the GT200 chip with 4GB of onboard memory). Please do not think that I hold no importance for the medical field and it's progressions, but unfortunately I believe the subject is wasted in this review of the cards capabilities when comparing it with last generations cards. Again I did not mean to offend anyone.

 

[MooseMuffin]

Rumors have the 4870 a bit slower than the 280, but for much less money.

 

[spathotan]

I dont see the ATI cards being as much as a dissapointment as the GTX's. For starters AMD hasnt been strutting around town spitting on everybody, saying that they are the best and they are gonna prove it, blah blah blah. Instead theyve kept it tight, and showed some soft benchmarks of their cards on AMD Game.

You cant get dissapointed if it hasnt been hyped in the first place. The only people pumping it up are the people on this forum and other websites, people who know nothing about it other than numbers theyve seen. That stuff should be taken with a grain of salt and nothing more. Whereas you have Nvidia who have been hyping this card up for months, and look what happened, its a piece of ****.

 

[cah027]

Nvidia is doing this on purpose because they hate Intel so much that they want to give ATi money in an indirect way, so they can catch up with Intel. I predict.. Nvidia and AMD will merge !

Ha haaaaaaa!

 

[radnor]

you never can tell, its possible the 48xx will be disgustingly crap as well....

Ill be rocking my X850XT fer a long time !!!

We don't need no upgrades, let the motherf*ckers burn, burn motherf*ckers, burn.

PS: I know i need to upgrade it, but one thing at the time mmmkay ?

 

[L1qu1d]

I'm happy with what happened, makes my card an investment for now😀 lol...although 1 gig per PCB could've helped

 

[dtq]

In my opinion the performance is about on par maybe a tad dissapointing, bearing in mind this will give consistant fps boost unlike the GX2 which relies on games supporting sli, my favourite dx10 game doesnt...

The price on the other hand even for a launch price will be putting many off, I think this is where ATI's pricing strategy is bearing fruit, previously nvidia have never offered such high end performance at such low price points as they do now, making sli based solutions better value than ever before. Reducing the perceived value of this new top end product.

It has its uses but Im expecting the prices to drop rapidly once ATI have their cards on the table and the most die hard early adopters have been gouged - im normally one, but this is to much beyond the 8800GTX launch price to get me hooked straight away, It was a tough decision to pick those up at launch - this is a step too far, and this time ATI are going to be pushing on price sooner than the 8800gtx launch.

I can see why the cards are so high priced big chips, R+D costs etc etc, but I reckon theres wiggle room for responses to ATI's launch.

As of now my rigs are no longer "high end" 😀

But I do have to buy at least one new card by August as my sones getting a new rig for his birthday based on our cast offs and the 8800gtx was figured in the plan for his new pc.

 

[L1qu1d]

Sli and Crossfire are become very main stream, all the games that matter for now have them, Mass effect, Crysis, COD4, CSS, World in Conflict, WOW, And many many more (Bioshock, Unreal 3).

 

[sailer]

Rumors have the 4870 a bit slower than the 280, but for much less money.

I can accept that. Having a 4870 that's a bit faster than the 3870, a bit slower than the 280, and a lot cheaper than a 280. Sounds good to me. Hey, I might be able to buy two 4870s for less money than one 280. That sounds even better.

 

[L1qu1d]

the 4870 is just over the 9800 GTX, from benchmarks and around the same price...so i dunno we'll have to see.

 

[Annisman]

My new motherboard (Asus P5E) is on it's way and will be here tomorrow, my next vid card upgrade will be a Crossfire setup. Screw You Nvidia! And, I think all the Gx2 owners out there can be rather pleased with their purchase right about now. Even thought I bought it at 600+ it is STILL a 'better' deal than the 280.

 

[L1qu1d]

For now atleast. Like I said my friend has a quad setup and its working perfect...so yeah I'm not scared.

Remember an ultimate thing to do (but near impossible) would be to have benchmarks of cards with updated drivers....

 

[halcyon]

Who gives a crap about how fast they can cure cancer or render 3D medical images and scans of the human body.

Its good that the Florida-based OP has his priorities in order. ...good to know that while our men and women are fighting abroad he's spasmic over a underperforming video card for gaming.

...get a clue.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Dear Nvidia,

I am obviously not the first one to state that they are entirely angered by the results of the recent GTX280 benchmarks. I have been an Nvidia customer since the original Geforce series, always trusting the reliable green team to be at the forefront of the graphics race.

Instead this time I am completely thrown for a loop as Nvidia expects us to pay 600.00-650.00 for a (New Generation) graphics card release that performs in most cases lower than a 9800GX2 which at the time of this report is actually 150-200 dollars cheaper, and once released will most likely drop even further.

Not to mention the 9800GTX which is basically on par with an 8800 ultra is down below 300.00!! Tri-SLi anyone?? Three 9800GTX's would out perform "Quad Sli 9800GX2's" and this has already been proven on several sites (AnandTech..Hello???)WTF is wrong with Nvidia?? Tri has already been posting great numbers!!

So obviously knowing this going into a release you would want to put something on the table that would blow the doors off your current best configurations. Instead we are handed mere 15-20% gains in some situations, and actually being beat in others. And of course they didn't post SLI tests here for this report.

The next thing that really gets my goat is selling a GTX260 card for 200-250 dollars less, and it has only an 18-20% decrease in performance as compared to your new shiny Top-Of-The Line. With a little over clocking and some good cooling it's the same card in performance tets. What gives??

Now the biggest embarrassment for Nvidia is that they are pushing CUDA technology and folding at home client CRAP!! These cards are designed for gaming!! Who gives a crap about how fast they can cure cancer or render 3D medical images and scans of the human body. Maybe 10% of the cards produced will be used for this purpose. The rest will be for GAMING!! What in the hell are we even talking about that junk for in this article?? Does that even matter when really what everyone cares about is will it beat the crap out of Crysis!!?? Will it Provide me solid gaming for the next 2 years?? Is it worth my hard earned money??

So far I am in AWE...Yes..But not the good AWE, the bad one, the I can't believe this is happening here comes the BIG RED DRAGON(ATI)breathing fire and brimstone , I'm a scared little peseant in a village AWE!! I am this close to throwing away my 790i board, putting my 8800GT SLi'd on Ebay, and switching over to a crossfire platform.

Again I cannot state again how utterly disappointed I am at this turn of events, and the worst part is that there will be no way they could do a GTX280 X2 card because the manufacturing process and die size are too huge, and too hot to combine them. They would literally have to redesign the entire thing, basically doing a new release all over again.

First of all, the pricing is similar to the 8800GTX when it first arrived. The only reason we see great pricing now is because ATI has offered competitive pricing, forcing those original prices down. nVidia has finally gone the way of ATI, making their cards capable of F@H and other things, things that will benefit not only pc user experience, but the quality of life itself. If fanboys hadnt got their pants in a bunch about single chip solution superiority, and quit pounding their chests long enough to see the clear benefits of it, we wouldnt have this misconception that the 9800x2 should be slaughtered by a single chip solution. nVidia fanboys went around saying "nVidias just waiting for ATI to come out with something, and theyre just sitting on a monster" Well, that monster is here. The hype was harmful, and maybe next time we wont believe all the hype

 

[rangers]

Nvidia is doing this on purpose because they hate Intel so much that they want to give ATi money in an indirect way, so they can catch up with Intel. I predict.. Nvidia and AMD will merge !

Ha haaaaaaa!

what are you on boy and can i have some

For starters AMD hasnt been strutting around town spitting on everybody, saying that they are the best and they are gonna prove it, blah blah blah.

will this be the start of that can of whoop-ass they where going on about

 

[bfellow]

So new performance level will be GTX 280->GTX260->9800GX2->4870->9800GTX->4850->8800GT. This is all based on slides provided by AMD and how the average performance GTX's are performing.

So how is that disappoingint?