[SOLVED] Deepcool Gammaxx GT TGA on R5 3600. Enough?

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Hi, I'm currently planning to buy DEEPCOOL GAMMAXX GT TUF Edition priced at $36. My question is: Is it sufficient enough for my r5 3600? Currently, it is running at 44-50 idle, 75-85c at Overwatch Ultra Settings at stock cooler and I'm not very comfortable with the temps atm. I'm afraid to play any games with heavier workloads atm due to the current temp. In fact, I don't play more than 1 hour just to make sure I don't hit the 90c mark. I plan to OC my ram and proc later on as soon I get a more consistent and safer temp for my CPU.

My other option is to wait for a couple of months and buy the CM MA410m and splurge purely for aesthetic reasons. ATM, it is priced at $73. If I ever decide to buy now and upgrade to DEEPCOOL Gammaxx GT TUF, I plan to buy a 2nd fan for a PUSH/PULL Config as an upgrade together with my case fan upgrades.

Quick Specs:
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
MotherBoard: MSI b450 Tomahawk Max
Power Supply: Seasonic S12|| 620w
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 1070ti 8g
Ram: HyperX 8gb 3200 mhz (2 pieces)
 
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Should be OK but do not expect much imrovement. It has bling but pretty ordinary performance. If it's temps you are really worried about then a Noctua or something in that leauge would be way better. RGB fans are never the best coolers anyway. If you want Deepcool what about a AIO Deepcool Gammax L20 which is also MSI Mystic light RGB compatible , would be better cooling and quieter than the GT TÜF and cost's not much more.
 
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Schlachtwolf said:
Should be OK but do not expect much imrovement. It has bling but pretty ordinary performance. If it's temps you are really worried about then a Noctua or something in that league would be way better. RGB fans are never the best coolers anyway. If you want Deepcool what about a AIO Deepcool Gammax L20 which is also MSI Mystic light RGB compatible , would be better cooling and quieter than the GT TÜF and cost's not much more.
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The thing about Liquid AIOs is that I'm actually afraid of it leaking on my set up and i don't think I have that much budget left to risk a rebuild. Plus, based on my research, AIOs usually have a life span of 2-3 years in comparison to Air coolers. Thus, I wanted to invest in a CM MA410m instead which was what I originally planned by waiting since I've read that R5 3600 was supposedly good enough and based on my temperature readings is not. I've also done some reseating on the stock cooler plus paste change and not much changed.

Although, I have not completely crossed out going the AIO route. My options for an AIO are:

1.) Deepcool Gammaxx L120 (as you suggested) at $42
2.) DEEPCOOL MAELSTORM 240T @ $46
3.) DEEPCOOL CAPTAIN 240EX @ $60

With that said, are the Liquid AIO any better than CM MA410m? The Noctua color palette seems too far out with the price being not so good as well for my current budget.
 
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serviann said:
Hi, I'm currently planning to buy DEEPCOOL GAMMAXX GT TUF Edition priced at $36. My question is: Is it sufficient enough for my r5 3600? Currently, it is running at 44-50 idle, 75-85c at Overwatch Ultra Settings at stock cooler and I'm not very comfortable with the temps atm. I'm afraid to play any games with heavier workloads atm due to the current temp. In fact, I don't play more than 1 hour just to make sure I don't hit the 90c mark. I plan to OC my ram and proc later on as soon I get a more consistent and safer temp for my CPU.
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Just go with the MA410m from the start? It's due to the bios patches that these chips are running as warm as they are - AMD says it's fine. Just keep an eye out for the next bios update.


Schlachtwolf said:
Should be OK but do not expect much imrovement. It has bling but pretty ordinary performance. If it's temps you are really worried about then a Noctua or something in that leauge would be way better. RGB fans are never the best coolers anyway. If you want Deepcool what about a AIO Deepcool Gammax L20 which is also MSI Mystic light RGB compatible , would be better cooling and quieter than the GT TÜF and cost's not much more.
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The MA410M is a pretty good cooler, yielding the same performance as the larger MA620P rated for 200w TDP:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cooler-master-masterair-ma410m-cpu-cooler,5813-2.html
A Noctua wouldn't be a huge improvement here.

AIOs being quieter is a misconception. They have more moving parts, thus more sources of noise and failure, and are more dependent on good case cooling to yield their benefits - they are HYBRIDS of air cooling!
Plus, they are simply not cost effective below 280mm - maybe 360mm, actually, since air coolers can't compete here.


serviann said:
The thing about Liquid AIOs is that I'm actually afraid of it leaking on my set up and i don't think I have that much budget left to risk a rebuild. Plus, based on my research, AIOs usually have a life span of 2-3 years in comparison to Air coolers. Thus, I wanted to invest in a CM MA410m instead which was what I originally planned by waiting since I've read that R5 3600 was supposedly good enough and based on my temperature readings is not. I've also done some reseating on the stock cooler plus paste change and not much changed.

Although, I have not completely crossed out going the AIO route. My options for an AIO are:

1.) Deepcool Gammaxx L120 (as you suggested) at $42
2.) DEEPCOOL MAELSTORM 240T @ $46
3.) DEEPCOOL CAPTAIN 240EX @ $60

With that said, are the Liquid AIO any better than CM MA410m? The Noctua color palette seems too far out with the price being not so good as well for my current budget.
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Leaks are rare nowadays - less than 10% chance of one occurring, or you somehow screw up, or the product was already defective.
Yeah, the pumps in these things aren't eternal...

If you were to go straight for the MA410M, I don't believe any of those 3 AIOs would perform any better. I think it would take a 280mm to beat the MA410M.

I get why many would want to go for AIOs - big bulky air cooler sitting over the motherboard. But that's a small price to pay over the downsides of AIOs:
-Leaks, while chances are low, the possibility is still there
-Can be noisier. You've got at least 2 moving parts here, instead of just the fan(s) on air coolers
-When/if the pump fails, you can't continue to use that unit. Not the case for air coolers if a fan breaks - you can 'passively' cool the heatsink via your case fans, until you can get a new heatsink fan
-Value. Air coolers are simply more affordable, and they outperform AIOs - but there's a dead stop at 360mm and higher. There's simply none available that can provide that kind of cooling.
 
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Phaaze88 said:
Just go with the MA410m from the start? It's due to the bios patches that these chips are running as warm as they are - AMD says it's fine. Just keep an eye out for the next bios update.

The MA410M is a pretty good cooler, yielding the same performance as the larger MA620P rated for 200w TDP:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cooler-master-masterair-ma410m-cpu-cooler,5813-2.html
A Noctua wouldn't be a huge improvement here.
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This. As far as my research goes, MA410m has been rated as one of the better air coolers. Although not the best, it has one of the better performances in terms of air coolers and has one the better aesthetics with heat sink design combined with the RGB compared to those in its level which is why I initially planned to wait for the right time and get this instead.

Phaaze88 said:
AIOs being quieter is a misconception. They have more moving parts, thus more sources of noise and failure, and are more dependent on good case cooling to yield their benefits - they are HYBRIDS of air cooling!
Plus, they are simply not cost effective below 280mm - maybe 360mm, actually, since air coolers can't compete here.

Leaks are rare nowadays - less than 10% chance of one occurring, or you somehow screw up, or the product was already defective.
Yeah, the pumps in these things aren't eternal...

If you were to go straight for the MA410M, I don't believe any of those 3 AIOs would perform any better. I think it would take a 280mm to beat the MA410M.

I get why many would want to go for AIOs - big bulky air cooler sitting over the motherboard. But that's a small price to pay over the downsides of AIOs:
-Leaks, while chances are low, the possibility is still there
-Can be noisier. You've got at least 2 moving parts here, instead of just the fan(s) on air coolers
-When/if the pump fails, you can't continue to use that unit. Not the case for air coolers if a fan breaks - you can 'passively' cool the heatsink via your case fans, until you can get a new heatsink fan
-Value. Air coolers are simply more affordable, and they outperform AIOs - but there's a dead stop at 360mm and higher. There's simply none available that can provide that kind of cooling.
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Exactly the points I have been arguing about as to what I type of cooling I was gonna get for my build. The cost, performance, and value aren't currently on par with air coolers on the higher tier. but more importantly, the lifespan was the biggest threat to me getting an AIO and the possibility of a catastrophic failure, despite rated at around 3-4% based on research. I have to say though, the AIOs were initially my first option because they just look so cool but the risk was a bit much for me for now.

Before replying, I tested it out again and my temperatures were at 81c for Overwatch. Not entirely promising, but I guess asking here gave me a bit more of a reassurance that it might be best for me to be patient and decide with the air coolers within the MA410m price/performance range.
 
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logainofhades said:
The R5 3600 is only a 65w cpu, and is less power hungry, than my old i7. A review that used a 6700k. For the money, it is a great cooler.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/deepcool-gammaxx-gt/6.html


The wraith stealth, vs the Hyper 212.

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Based on the charts, it does not do well in high workload OC. I know the R5 3600 does not OC that high but I'd at least love to make it on the 4.1 ghz over the stock 3.6 ghz I'm running atm.

For the price, the Gammaxx GT seems like a good deal but is it good for the long term with OC consideration? I kind of prefer investing a cooler for the long term and if possible, reuse it on my next upgrade in around 4-5 years even for another 1 or 2 years.

In summary, what I mean is, is it a reasonable cooler for an OC'd R5 3600 with the consideration of adding another fan for push/pull config?
 
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Ryzen 3000 doesn't manually overclock any better than the Precision Boost Overdrive + Auto OC feature settings, so you're worrying over nothing here.
Just slap a tower cooler on, and it'll do the rest.
Manual OC can yield worse results than automatic, actually.
 
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Phaaze88 said:
Ryzen 3000 doesn't manually overclock any better than the Precision Boost Overdrive + Auto OC feature settings, so you're worrying over nothing here.
Just slap a tower cooler on, and it'll do the rest.
Manual OC can yield worse results than automatic, actually.
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logainofhades said:
Yea PBO is all that is needed, with Ryzen 3000. AMD is already squeezing every ounce of performance, that it can, automatically.
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So, I'd presume Gammaxx GT would be able to maximize PBO? As I believe it OCs based on thermals. If so, I might as well settle with it. I kind of wished all those reviews had some kind of baseline for temp so I can compare As to Bs.

I apologize if I may sounded whiny or like I'm already decided on the MA410m but really I'm just so undecided and does not really want to regret the purchase. I am very thankful for everyone's input.
 
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