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I picked up a i7 2600, GTX 590, and 8 gigs of ram with a 23 inch 1080p monitor, full office suite, and three year warranty for about 1,950. My secret? Call sales, the representatives hand out 25% off discounts and free add-ons like crazy. Not overpriced stuff if you know how to find a deal.
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The problem with any of these customizations is that they ALWAYS over-charge. For example when 8 GB of vengeance RAM (in 2 sticks of 4 gb) costs under $50, they would charge $150 for that upgrade. And to upgrade from a, say, 1 TB hard drive to a 2 TB would also cost about that much from Dell or Sony. This is why the best value is to buy the computer itself and add parts to it personally.
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Alienware is quite overpriced, not only the "starting point" build but also, like I mentioned above, every upgrade that costs several times more than it should if one went and bought the parts at the store.
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to those of you who think its better to buy a pc like this because of the warranty, guess again.
every component you order from (newegg/tiger) has some kind of warranty on its own. ram is almost always a lifetime warranty, other components with the exception of a processor are usually 3-5 years.
now if your expensive Dell tower has a bad stick of ram, or your power-supply dies, you cannot simply remove it and send that part back, no they want your whole tower.. damn thing probably weigh's 40lbs, i don't want to spend $40-70 just to ship my pc to dell. and then wait weeks to get it back. F. THAT..
and after your dell warranty has expired that's it.. no more help from dell. and components like ram which usually have a lifetime warranty, will not have any warranty at all after your dell warranty is over with.. Build it yourself!!!!
every component you order from (newegg/tiger) has some kind of warranty on its own. ram is almost always a lifetime warranty, other components with the exception of a processor are usually 3-5 years.
now if your expensive Dell tower has a bad stick of ram, or your power-supply dies, you cannot simply remove it and send that part back, no they want your whole tower.. damn thing probably weigh's 40lbs, i don't want to spend $40-70 just to ship my pc to dell. and then wait weeks to get it back. F. THAT..
and after your dell warranty has expired that's it.. no more help from dell. and components like ram which usually have a lifetime warranty, will not have any warranty at all after your dell warranty is over with.. Build it yourself!!!!
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[citation][nom]iam2thecrowe[/nom]i just want an alienware case. if they sold them separately i would buy one.[/citation]
You should go onto Ihatedell.net forums. After reading the stories of what garbage Dell put people through you would never buy a Dell. Even when you do have a warranty Dell will refuse to accept it and you'll have to spend 4 hours on the phone trying to get the Dell people to accept the warranty. The tech support people are trained to lie, and do whatever it takes to not cost the company money. One person had a Dell that took a dump on him right before his warranty was up. He called Dell tech support and what do you know on the day before his warranty was up their computer network was so conveniently down. They told him to call back the next day, Shen is warranty was done..yea right. I would never buy a POS Dell even if they were the last computer company in the world.
You should go onto Ihatedell.net forums. After reading the stories of what garbage Dell put people through you would never buy a Dell. Even when you do have a warranty Dell will refuse to accept it and you'll have to spend 4 hours on the phone trying to get the Dell people to accept the warranty. The tech support people are trained to lie, and do whatever it takes to not cost the company money. One person had a Dell that took a dump on him right before his warranty was up. He called Dell tech support and what do you know on the day before his warranty was up their computer network was so conveniently down. They told him to call back the next day, Shen is warranty was done..yea right. I would never buy a POS Dell even if they were the last computer company in the world.
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[citation][nom]__-_-_-__[/nom]yet just another overpriced pc from AW.let's do some math.PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i7-3960X (Six Core Extreme, 15MB Cache) Overclocked up to 4.2Ghz editOPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Ultimate, 64Bit, English editVIDEO CARD Dual 2GB GDDR5 AMD Radeon™ HD 6950 - AMD CrossFireX™ Enabled editHARD DRIVE 512GB RAID 0 (2x 256GB SATA 6Gb/s) Solid State Drive editMEDIA READER 19-in-1 Media Card Reader editMONITOR 24.0” Dell U2410 UltraSharp™ Full HD MonitorCHASSIS COLOR Alienware Aurora with ALX Chassis MEMORY 16GB Quad Channel DDR3 at 1600MHz$5,109.00newegg:corsair H100 $120windows 7 ultimate $190Dell ultrasharp u2410 $550patriot extreme 16gb 4x4gb 1600 $89samsung 830 2x 256gb $860COOLER MASTER HAF full tower $200intel core i7-3960X $10452x 6950 2gb $510asus rampage III formula $256$3,162.905100-3165= $1935$2k overpriceI can't believe people really buy this shit.[/citation]
So out of curiosity, when you have problems with the self-built PC, what is NewEgg's on-site repair turn around time? Oh... they don't do on-site support? Sorry to hear. Ok... if you have a virus and need assistance removing it are they willing to help? No? Wow... that sucks. How about installation assistance? Upgrade assistance? None of those? Hmmm.
My point is that it's not just the hardware. Not everyone has the same skill at selecting components, assembling them, troubleshooting and installation as some of us that read Toms. Part of the reason Dell, HP and everyone else can get away with such prices is that for the next 1-5 years after purchase (depending on the warranty you got) you don't have to worry about that crap. Some OEMs send a tech out, some bring it in to depot to service. Either way it gets repaired (usually) and the customer doesn't have to know squat about fixing a PC.
Another way to look at it is this: do you think the average consumer could assemble the car that they drive everyday for the same price that they bought it from the dealership? Do you think it would have the same reliability? A warranty? No to all of those.
There's also some of the gimmicky stuff that customers like... all the pretty lights, facial recognition (on laptops), simplicity, etc.
I'm guessing that you "can't believe people really buy this shit" because you haven't bothered to see it from their perspective. A lot of these people have never even heard of NewEgg/TigerDirect/TechData/etc. and would know what to do if they had.
~ Nicodemus
So out of curiosity, when you have problems with the self-built PC, what is NewEgg's on-site repair turn around time? Oh... they don't do on-site support? Sorry to hear. Ok... if you have a virus and need assistance removing it are they willing to help? No? Wow... that sucks. How about installation assistance? Upgrade assistance? None of those? Hmmm.
My point is that it's not just the hardware. Not everyone has the same skill at selecting components, assembling them, troubleshooting and installation as some of us that read Toms. Part of the reason Dell, HP and everyone else can get away with such prices is that for the next 1-5 years after purchase (depending on the warranty you got) you don't have to worry about that crap. Some OEMs send a tech out, some bring it in to depot to service. Either way it gets repaired (usually) and the customer doesn't have to know squat about fixing a PC.
Another way to look at it is this: do you think the average consumer could assemble the car that they drive everyday for the same price that they bought it from the dealership? Do you think it would have the same reliability? A warranty? No to all of those.
There's also some of the gimmicky stuff that customers like... all the pretty lights, facial recognition (on laptops), simplicity, etc.
I'm guessing that you "can't believe people really buy this shit" because you haven't bothered to see it from their perspective. A lot of these people have never even heard of NewEgg/TigerDirect/TechData/etc. and would know what to do if they had.
~ Nicodemus
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alienware makes apple look underpriced.
Apple will rip you off by $300-800
alienware will rip you off by $1000-2000+
They also rip you off more when you customize the system they don't really remove the cost of the component being replaced.
eg you upgrade to a new hard drive and the cost they add for the upgraded hard drive is more expensive than the retail price of the hard drive. this means they not only did not include the lower end drive but they are charging you for both the lower end drive and the upgraded drive.
Or you want a better videocard and the added cost to go from a mid range card to a high end card is the full retail price of the upgraded card while at the same time not including the mid range card (which means they are ripping you off by nearly 50% of the price of an upgrade)
Apple will rip you off by $300-800
alienware will rip you off by $1000-2000+
They also rip you off more when you customize the system they don't really remove the cost of the component being replaced.
eg you upgrade to a new hard drive and the cost they add for the upgraded hard drive is more expensive than the retail price of the hard drive. this means they not only did not include the lower end drive but they are charging you for both the lower end drive and the upgraded drive.
Or you want a better videocard and the added cost to go from a mid range card to a high end card is the full retail price of the upgraded card while at the same time not including the mid range card (which means they are ripping you off by nearly 50% of the price of an upgrade)
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[citation][nom]aidynphoenix[/nom]to those of you who think its better to buy a pc like this because of the warranty, guess again. every component you order from (newegg/tiger) has some kind of warranty on its own. ram is almost always a lifetime warranty, other components with the exception of a processor are usually 3-5 years.now if your expensive Dell tower has a bad stick of ram, or your power-supply dies, you cannot simply remove it and send that part back, no they want your whole tower.. damn thing probably weigh's 40lbs, i don't want to spend $40-70 just to ship my pc to dell. and then wait weeks to get it back. F. THAT.. and after your dell warranty has expired that's it.. no more help from dell. and components like ram which usually have a lifetime warranty, will not have any warranty at all after your dell warranty is over with.. Build it yourself!!!![/citation]
yep in the past it used to be that you could take certain parts out and pretend that you purchased it from bestbuy or circuit city and give them the serial number and get a RMA going. but the companies all caught on and now use special serial numbers for prebuilt systems, ensuring that you get no warranty service.
This means that on a system where all components would get a 2-5 year, or lifetime warranty, now everything has a 1 year warranty where a tiny failure requires you to send the entire system in.
No one buys a gaming PC prebuilt for tech support. If you know enough about computers to know what is needed for a specific task, eg gaming, then you don't need tech support. (those places also don't offer support for things not related to what came with a fresh out of the box system)
yep in the past it used to be that you could take certain parts out and pretend that you purchased it from bestbuy or circuit city and give them the serial number and get a RMA going. but the companies all caught on and now use special serial numbers for prebuilt systems, ensuring that you get no warranty service.
This means that on a system where all components would get a 2-5 year, or lifetime warranty, now everything has a 1 year warranty where a tiny failure requires you to send the entire system in.
No one buys a gaming PC prebuilt for tech support. If you know enough about computers to know what is needed for a specific task, eg gaming, then you don't need tech support. (those places also don't offer support for things not related to what came with a fresh out of the box system)
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[citation][nom]Rds1220[/nom]You should go onto Ihatedell.net forums. After reading the stories of what garbage Dell put people through you would never buy a Dell. Even when you do have a warranty Dell will refuse to accept it and you'll have to spend 4 hours on the phone trying to get the Dell people to accept the warranty. The tech support people are trained to lie, and do whatever it takes to not cost the company money. One person had a Dell that took a dump on him right before his warranty was up. He called Dell tech support and what do you know on the day before his warranty was up their computer network was so conveniently down. They told him to call back the next day, Shen is warranty was done..yea right. I would never buy a POS Dell even if they were the last computer company in the world.[/citation]
Had a dell inspiron 8600 laptop. took 6 hours on the phone (skype call timer said 6 hours) before they finally agreed to fix it. It was still under warranty and about 3 weeks before the end of the warranty (takes place at the time of purchase and not time of manufacture) to fix an issue with the LCD failing (colored lines, while I could have easily replaced it with a $60 replacement, it is not worth it when it is still under warranty)
But when one of my gigabyte boards failed, a 5 minute phone call was all it took to get a RMA
Had a dell inspiron 8600 laptop. took 6 hours on the phone (skype call timer said 6 hours) before they finally agreed to fix it. It was still under warranty and about 3 weeks before the end of the warranty (takes place at the time of purchase and not time of manufacture) to fix an issue with the LCD failing (colored lines, while I could have easily replaced it with a $60 replacement, it is not worth it when it is still under warranty)
But when one of my gigabyte boards failed, a 5 minute phone call was all it took to get a RMA
[citation][nom]acerace[/nom]Alienware is same as Apple. Those who bought Alienware, IMO, love to brag. And i don't mean you alidan.[/citation]
it was good for its time, but now all thats left of the original build is 2 sticks of 512mb ddr2 ram, the case, and the os, the ram and os are going to be gone christmas though and this is the last pc build of mine that will use the alien ware case.
that said, dell bought alineware right? anyone know when that happend? like month and year, i have been wondering for a while if mine was pre dell or not.
it was good for its time, but now all thats left of the original build is 2 sticks of 512mb ddr2 ram, the case, and the os, the ram and os are going to be gone christmas though and this is the last pc build of mine that will use the alien ware case.
that said, dell bought alineware right? anyone know when that happend? like month and year, i have been wondering for a while if mine was pre dell or not.
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[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]it was good for its time, but now all thats left of the original build is 2 sticks of 512mb ddr2 ram, the case, and the os, the ram and os are going to be gone christmas though and this is the last pc build of mine that will use the alien ware case. that said, dell bought alineware right? anyone know when that happend? like month and year, i have been wondering for a while if mine was pre dell or not.[/citation]
I know. People complain that you have no warranty like with prebuilt computers...Bull! Every part is under warranty and when something goes wrong it only takes a very quick call to the company to get an RMA going. Try doing that with Dell. With a home built computer your on the phone 5 minutes, Dell 5 hours. Not to mention if your building your own computer your going to have better parts at better prices. Dell puts cheap garbage in their computers.
I know. People complain that you have no warranty like with prebuilt computers...Bull! Every part is under warranty and when something goes wrong it only takes a very quick call to the company to get an RMA going. Try doing that with Dell. With a home built computer your on the phone 5 minutes, Dell 5 hours. Not to mention if your building your own computer your going to have better parts at better prices. Dell puts cheap garbage in their computers.
[citation][nom]Rds1220[/nom]I know. People complain that you have no warranty like with prebuilt computers...Bull! Every part is under warranty and when something goes wrong it only takes a very quick call to the company to get an RMA going. Try doing that with Dell. With a home built computer your on the phone 5 minutes, Dell 5 hours. Not to mention if your building your own computer your going to have better parts at better prices. Dell puts cheap garbage in their computers.[/citation]
with mine the only part that annoyed me was the powersupply, but that lasted i believe 5 years, and the part that died first was the motherboard.
that said, the best benefit of a pre built system would be if any part dies, you know the exact place to call, but sadly those places have crap customer service, at least home level, not sure on business level.
i cant say that its always a 100% you get better building yourself too... its just less likely you pick the bad ones.
with mine the only part that annoyed me was the powersupply, but that lasted i believe 5 years, and the part that died first was the motherboard.
that said, the best benefit of a pre built system would be if any part dies, you know the exact place to call, but sadly those places have crap customer service, at least home level, not sure on business level.
i cant say that its always a 100% you get better building yourself too... its just less likely you pick the bad ones.
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[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]with mine the only part that annoyed me was the powersupply, but that lasted i believe 5 years, and the part that died first was the motherboard. that said, the best benefit of a pre built system would be if any part dies, you know the exact place to call, but sadly those places have crap customer service, at least home level, not sure on business level. i cant say that its always a 100% you get better building yourself too... its just less likely you pick the bad ones.[/citation]
If a part breaks in a home bully computer you know exactly who to call too. If you have a MSI mobo and it's DOA you just call MSI and in a few minutes you'll have a RMA going. If you have a XFX video card and it takes a dump on you you just call XFX and you have a RMA. It's like that for pretty much all parts and you don't have to spend 5 hours on the phone with a bunch of monkeys that just read off a script.Actually monkeys could do better than the idiots at Dell. It doesn't surprise me that the motherboard and PSU broke they are usually junk. Prebuilt computers usually use cheap PSU's like Bestec and junky FoxConn motherboards.
If a part breaks in a home bully computer you know exactly who to call too. If you have a MSI mobo and it's DOA you just call MSI and in a few minutes you'll have a RMA going. If you have a XFX video card and it takes a dump on you you just call XFX and you have a RMA. It's like that for pretty much all parts and you don't have to spend 5 hours on the phone with a bunch of monkeys that just read off a script.Actually monkeys could do better than the idiots at Dell. It doesn't surprise me that the motherboard and PSU broke they are usually junk. Prebuilt computers usually use cheap PSU's like Bestec and junky FoxConn motherboards.
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Better to just learn & build your own rig if your that of an "extreme" gamer. Although I can see lil' Jimmy opening up his new Alienware Aurora 5300XX Bloatware Special w/ 1,000GB RAM that his parents paid $5,745 for, and he'll soon enough get a virii and crash the thing. I think its common knowledge that real PC enthusiasts stay clear from any Alienware product (Dell )
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Alienware - rich parents/lottery millionaire retard. There can be no other explanation for their purchase.
Ask an 'enthusiast', who'll probably get all the kit from an online retailer (with longer than the typical OEM warranty), save 40% and have plenty left over for juicy tip.
Full credit tot he OEM marketing for getting chumps through the doors.
Ask an 'enthusiast', who'll probably get all the kit from an online retailer (with longer than the typical OEM warranty), save 40% and have plenty left over for juicy tip.
Full credit tot he OEM marketing for getting chumps through the doors.
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