Dell P2815Q 28-Inch Ultra HD Monitor Review

[Amdlova]

lol even my graphic calculator have display with 30hz... Too Bad Dell.

 

[vincent67]

But is 4K resolution a waste on anything below 40'' ?
If you have to scale everything, I don't see other interest than a little quality improvement.

 

[DisplayJunkie]

30Hz and ~700-750:1 contrast ratio. Could this display be any less interesting or less desirable? I think not.

 

[RedJaron]

When 1080p became widely accepted, 1080p display prices dropped like like rocks all the way down to $100 while 1200p displays remained at $300+ despite having only marginally higher resolution. Vanishing demand made production vanish and without mass manufacturing, unit costs remain high.

Even funnier is that a good 1680x1050 screen usually costs more than a decent 1080 screen right now. 16:9 is fine for games and media, but the extra height on 16:10 is very important for productivity and as such I'm loath to move away from it. I hope some day soon I'll be able to upgrade to a 1600p IPS panel, but I doubt those prices will ever become reasonable.

 

[CerianK]

30 hz?

If that was intended for me, yes the 30Hz 4K desktop on the Seiki is for normal browsing, programming, videos, etc. and works just acceptably. I use a display profile in AMD Catalyst to switch to 1080p@120Hz for gaming.

Oddly, I had to disable the AMD HDMI Audio device and use the motherboard audio to make it stop blanking the display periodically. I'm not sure if that is an artifact of the modified monitor BIOS, HDMI to DisplayPort Active Adapter, AMD graphics card/driver or something else, but I've worked around it. [edit]Got the blanking issue fixed with a different monitor driver and some EDID editing for a few low res modes, so the AMD HDMI Audio works now.[/edit]

 

[InvalidError]

Even funnier is that a good 1680x1050 screen usually costs more than a decent 1080 screen right now.

That is exactly what I meant by 1080p wiping out just about everything else - prices have dropped so low that anything lower is not really worth considering and the gap for stepping up to anything better is so large it makes no sense to most people. With production volumes an order of magnitude if not two larger than just about any other resolution, the other resolutions have no chance of matching the cost effectiveness.

If 4K displays continue dropping in price as quickly as they have been for the past year, 4K could very well end up being the next low-cost display resolution within the next three years.

I wish I had a 1600p display too but those have been losing pricing ground to 1440p for the last many years and the number of 1600p models on the market has dropped considerably over time as well. This is simply the power of the market at work, dictating to manufacturers which display sizes, resolutions and aspect ratios will get successfully mass-manufactured and achieve economies of scale.

 

[B4vB5]

Your American pricing ("price convertion") for UHD TV is wrong. The cheapest Samsung 50" 4k is around $1300USD. 2nd tier brand 50" 4k is around $1000USD. They are definitely not as cheap as you think.

Ok, fair point. But since I still have to pay usd-to-euro 1:1 prices for the Samsung 28-590 or the 287 Asus, my Euro bet is still with the 50 inch TV. For the US I guess it becomes more up to what you want.

I have 2x27s and they are too wide for my neck in the long run although I've had for em 3 yrs now. The 1x50 would be perfect, especially since my need is real estate desktop and not (quickpaced) games.

 

[pereirdp]

What a joke! These manufacturers have been dragging their feet with TN panels, deliberately withholding 60Hz IPS panels, and here Apple comes along andreleases a 5K (15 mega pixel) IPS monitor with computer built-in for $2499

 

[Max_x2]

Even for movies, unless there's a 24p mode, it wouldn't be good. Movies are shot at 23.976fps i believe (dubbed 24fps, 24p or 24Hz if you prefer)

 

[DisplayJunkie]

Even for movies, unless there's a 24p mode, it wouldn't be good. Movies are shot at 23.976fps i believe (dubbed 24fps, 24p or 24Hz if you prefer)

There are extremely few monitors which can playback 24p correctly anyway, I have no doubt that this one can't either. Not that I think 3:2 pulldown is the worst thing in the world, but turns out it won't matter anyway because a) it can only do 60Hz @ 1080p, so scaled it will be less sharp than a native display and b) contrast levels are horrendous for movie watching anyway.

This display is pretty much just a way to display multiple documents/excel sheets as a 2nd monitor. I can't think of many other useful usage scenarios. A hard sell at $500.

 

[larsoncc]

...um... no... im playing 290x xfire, on Samsung 4k, liquid cooling and all games including Titanfall, BF4, ESO, etc are max settings between 60fps - 90fps. only game that has issues is Watch Dogs and we all know why that is happening. Call it what you want, once you go 4k (done right) you know it is the true PC gamer master race!

um, yes.

For BF4, DigitalStorm's benches peg your setup at about 50, and I'm willing to bet that's about right, given my own setup. 90 isn't on max settings like you're saying.

There's plenty more games with issues for your setup, and more on their way. Here's a few of the games your graphics cards can't play on highest settings at 4K/60:
Metro Last Light,
Metro Last Light Redux (have to turn to high to hit mid 50s)
Thief (have to turn down to Normal to hit 50s)
Hitman Absolution (can hit 60 if AA is off)
Far Cry 3 (Medium with no AA)
Crysis 3 (Very High gets ~30)
Shadow of Mordor (20-30fps, ultra textures not running on that setup)

Other issues:
Total War: Rome 2 and Shogun 2 plays movies on 1/2 screen
Civ V load screens / movies
Batman: Arkham City - mouse is borked

But whatever, give it about 6-12 months, and 4K will be rocking it. I hope. I certainly think it's got potential.

1440p = 2560x1440 = 16x9. 1440p will display/scale 1080p just fine, also 720p and 1600x900. 1440p monitors are becoming very reasonable in price. If you shop around you can find them for around $300 and the price will continue to drop as they are out longer.

No it won`t scale ! Though the AR is still 16:9, the 2560 is 1.33 times larger than 1920 ... while 4k (3840x2160) is exactly 2 times as 1080p meaning you`ll have a parity on pixels on the screen thus making 1080 gaming on a 4k monitor just fine.

Thank you, that's what I'm saying! Surprised at how my post was received.
If you can't get good performance at1440p in a game, you'd choose to go down to 1080p, and it frankly looks funny. 1440p is one of these odd resolutions that I can't wait to see go away. And it really is going away, given the availability of UHD making it a bit unnecessary (ASUS ROG aside).

Add to that that we're already getting to the point where 4K is cheaper, and you've got outdated tech. No one is going to give 1440p a second thought in two-three years.

 

[somebodyspecial]

I'm wondering why Dell isn't announcing a Gsync monitor yet. Nearly all the others have something coming soon or about to hit. Unless AMD's solution is far cheaper (remains to be seen how much scaler makers charge for their work, how much monitor makers tack on etc) and works JUST AS GOOD, I'm pretty much Gsync or bust on my next monitor purchase. A monitor without one of these techs is useless to me at this point. My monitors still work fine, so barring a death of one of them soon, I can wait this out for another 6-12 months I hope. I need a 20nm gpu and a broadwell first anyway...LOL.

 

[InvalidError]

Unless AMD's solution is far cheaper (remains to be seen how much scaler makers charge for their work, how much monitor makers tack on etc)

The thing is the key principles behind AMD/VESA's FreeSync are part of the DisplayPort 1.2a spec and are provided royalty-free. They were unofficially part of the DP spec even before that since DP's packet-based protocol with multiplexed multiple display capability meant displays have to be able to cope with irregular data feed. FreeSync effectively makes zero-sync an official part of the DP spec.

 

[BwwwJ1st]

Loving my Dell UP2414Q I got 3 months ago for $850. 2160p at 60Hz is awesome on a 24" IPS. When my 2 Titan Blacks can't push 4K at a full 60 FPS then I can run the monitor 1440p @ 85Hz. When browsing the net I switch to 1080p @ 85Hz.

 

[jackt]

u sure its 16:9 it? look wider (thing that i hate)

 

[mjnhstyle100x]

ust my opinion of course, but I think that's a completely different situation than moving up to a completely new eye candy world of 2560x1440. I still love my 25.5" Samsung's extra viewing height. It is hard to beat without moving up entirely to a new screen size and resolution, which is what I did with a Dell U2713H. With HDTVs being 1080p, it was only logical that LCD screen manufacturers focus on 1080p monitor screens for the mainstream markets. Simply put, 1920x1200 monitors were not manufactured in high capacity and hence the higher pricing. But you probably are right though...QHD will not be mainstream ever like 1080p.
http://bestgamingmonitors.net/

 

[MasterMace]

30hz = no buy.

Waiting for a 120hz 3840x2160 monitor with a DisplayPort 1.3 - you know, the one that actually supports 2160p resolutions. Preferably an IPS display [continues dreaming].

 

[ShawnT007]

ShawnT007 what are you even talking about. Max setting between 60fps to 90fps? really? which samsung 4K UHD (not even close to 4k res but whatever) are you even using that if you are playing a pc game is able to give you over 60fps when V-sync is on?

You speak of 4k being done right. Your 4k isn't even done right in the first place.

So my Samsung U28D590D monitor hooked up to my 290x in crossfire, with full custom XSPC liquid cooling, and i7 4770k, 16 gigs 2100mhz, 1300watt PSU (i could keep going) "ISNT" me gaming in 4K??? wow... so these screenshots (that are 30Meg files so I cant upload them cause they have so much information) that show BF4 running at 90+fps max settings (MSAAx2 just cause you dont need anymore than that in 4k lol) arent screenshots of 4k? Or what about these screenshots that make ESO look so good that you cant even believe its the same game... Thats not 4k bruh?? lol -- YEAH I DID IT RIGHT HOMIE - Thanks for playing tho!

 

[soldier44]

Very Happy with my 32 inch Asus 4K display running at 60hz and display port since day one. Powered by 2 gtx &80 classifieds. Its been rough sailing in the beginning but after a couple driver updates and tweaking I can manage most games at descent playing fps. Including BF4 in ultra getting about 40 fps. May upgrade to a third 780 to improve the games that are coming up.

 

[B4vB5]

What a joke! These manufacturers have been dragging their feet with TN panels, deliberately withholding 60Hz IPS panels, and here Apple comes along and releases a 5K (15 mega pixel) IPS monitor with computer built-in for $2499

While that is true, that computer cannot be used as an external monitor for another computer and is thus pretty weak for serious desktop performance with the old CPU onboard it has. Also it has to be Hackintosh'ed to have non-OSX dev potential.

This "monitor"/Mac would've been infinitely much cooler, had it had an input for HDMi 2.0 or DP 1.3+ for being used as an external UHD display for laptop/workstations. 5K@60 wouldn't be possible in full 4:4:4 over either DP 1.2a or HDMi 2.0 though, so maybe that's why. And ofc they want people to actually use the Mac as a machine rather than an external monitor in itself. If one can settle for a Mac for dev work or is willing to Hackintosh it, it could be a decent machine if raw CPU is not that much of a concern for one and one can live with the very small 27 inch screen(for using the full 5K without just scaling stuff up to "nicelooking" 1080 mode).

 

[terantek]

I'm confused about your comments on DPI scaling. I have a Samsung 28" 4k monitor and have scaling set to 150%. This makes text size slightly bigger than 100% on my old 22" 1080p monitor. In windows 8.1 there are options to go up to 250% which makes text and UI WAY TOO BIG!!!

In my 3 months experience of using this monitor for just about everything I can say that I haven't run into a single UI or text scaling issue in windows itself. Even most 3rd party software has caught up on the scaling. The only issue is that sometimes icons/buttons/web images look horrible because they are low resolution. Oh and Steam... Steam just looks terrible, seems like the whole of steam including text and UI renders at 1080 then upscales.

 

[ShawnT007]

...um... no... im playing 290x xfire, on Samsung 4k, liquid cooling and all games including Titanfall, BF4, ESO, etc are max settings between 60fps - 90fps. only game that has issues is Watch Dogs and we all know why that is happening. Call it what you want, once you go 4k (done right) you know it is the true PC gamer master race!

um, yes.

For BF4, DigitalStorm's benches peg your setup at about 50, and I'm willing to bet that's about right, given my own setup. 90 isn't on max settings like you're saying.

There's plenty more games with issues for your setup, and more on their way. Here's a few of the games your graphics cards can't play on highest settings at 4K/60:
Metro Last Light,
Metro Last Light Redux (have to turn to high to hit mid 50s)
Thief (have to turn down to Normal to hit 50s)
Hitman Absolution (can hit 60 if AA is off)
Far Cry 3 (Medium with no AA)
Crysis 3 (Very High gets ~30)
Shadow of Mordor (20-30fps, ultra textures not running on that setup)

lol ur benchmarks are wrong for me... i will be happy to email you screenshots (big files) and benchmarks - im running BF4 MAX EVERYTHING except w/msaax2 (thats all you need in 4k) and getting 70fps-110fps all day online...
Samsung U28D590D monitor, 290x in crossfire, with full custom XSPC liquid cooling, and i7 4770k, 16 gigs 2100mhz, 1300watt PSU (i could keep going).... Every game you listed above i run better than your listed benchmarks.

 

[larsoncc]

Max everything except when it's not. LOL Way to make my point. These are benches from respected sites, including Tom's (check the VGA charts!) running the water cooled 295x2 and directly comparing to 290x crossfire within the same charts. Oh sure, every professional out there is wrong, I'm totally sure. I'm running a similar setup, across three high refresh rate monitors, instead of a 4k. I get that the games function, and I know where your limits are. The 5% speed bump your water cooling loop gives, or that you remember the names of the parts you clicked into place, doesn't invalidate what I've said.

Enjoy your setup, I'm sure it's a fine little computer for now.

 

[ShawnT007]

Max everything except when it's not. LOL Way to make my point. These are benches from respected sites, including Tom's (check the VGA charts!) running the water cooled 295x2 and directly comparing to 290x crossfire within the same charts. Oh sure, every professional out there is wrong, I'm totally sure. I'm running a similar setup, across three high refresh rate monitors, instead of a 4k. I get that the games function, and I know where your limits are. The 5% speed bump your water cooling loop gives, or that you remember the names of the parts you clicked into place, doesn't invalidate what I've said.

Enjoy your setup, I'm sure it's a fine little computer for now.

JUST FOR YOU larsoncc - THANKS FOR PLAYING! http://youtu.be/pVuzRyf9atE

 

[Gunbuster]

If you want to be stuck at 4k 30Hz you might as well get the Seiki 39" At least you can use it as a TV and do 1080P 120Hz gaming. Plus it is cheaper!