Difference between phone and line (modem)

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Hi,

What's difference between the phone and line socket of a telephone modem?
It seems to me that both can be used for connecting to the internet through
an analog line.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Shiva wrote:

> Hi,
>
> What's difference between the phone and line socket of a telephone modem?
> It seems to me that both can be used for connecting to the internet through
> an analog line.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>

The second, 'phone', jack provides a place to plug your phone into, hence
the name, since you used up the one on the wall with the modem cord. The
'phone' jack is also disconnected when the modem goes off hook to prevent
you from screwing up the connection by mistakenly trying to use the phone
at the same time.

As such, no, you can't use both. If you try to use the 'phone' jack for the
modem connection to the wall you'll never get a dial tone since it's
disconnected simultaneously with the modem going off hook. You'll get:
click_________________________________________________________________
 
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"Shiva" <shiva087@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:cvci0a$jc$1@brutus.eur.nl...
> Hi,
>
> What's difference between the phone and line socket of a telephone modem?
> It seems to me that both can be used for connecting to the internet
> through
> an analog line.

The phone connector is for connecting Your telephone. That way, if You are
online and pick up the phone by accident, Your connection won't get
"damaged"; the phone is disconnected when the modem is using the line
through the line connector.

Hoping to have been of help to You!
Sincerely,
Rene
 
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No. One is an input and one is an output.

--
DaveW



"Shiva" <shiva087@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cvci0a$jc$1@brutus.eur.nl...
> Hi,
>
> What's difference between the phone and line socket of a telephone modem?
> It seems to me that both can be used for connecting to the internet
> through
> an analog line.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
 
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DaveW wrote:

> No.

Correct

> One is an input and one is an output.

They're both bi-directional: input, I speak to you, and output, I hear you.
 
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:51:34 +0100, "Shiva" <shiva087@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>What's difference between the phone and line socket of a telephone modem?
>It seems to me that both can be used for connecting to the internet through
>an analog line.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>

Line connects to the wall socket - the phone LINE. The socket labeled
"phone" is a pass through connection so that you can still connect up
an actual phone to use when you aren't using the modem.
---------------------------------------------

MCheu
 
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MCheu <mpcheu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Shiva" <shiva087@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> What's difference between the phone and line socket of a
>> telephone modem? It seems to me that both can be used for
>> connecting to the internet through an analog line.

>Line connects to the wall socket - the phone LINE. The socket
>labeled "phone" is a pass through connection so that you can still
>connect up an actual phone to use when you aren't using the modem.

I am surprised, apparently few have used dial-up modems which allow
connecting through either modem jack. I seem to recall having more
than one modem which would allow that.

The likely explanation is that they use interchangeable metal plates
which are all printed/stamped for modems you describe. That is very
common, to use interchangeable parts. Also, I suppose a perfectionist
might get confused if he (or she) isn't told which jack to plug into
the wall.

For what it's worth. I was curious about something similar with
respect to speaker connections. Why do they have a plus sign and a
minus sign on the connections. After asking, I was told that
reversing speaker polarity doesn't cause electrical problems, but can
cause acoustic problems when using more than one speaker.
 
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In article <Xns9604DD4C4192Fwisdomfolly@151.164.30.44>,
jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing.com says...

>Also, I suppose a perfectionist
>might get confused if he (or she) isn't told which jack to plug into
>the wall.

That reason must be the most of it. The two connectors are just a phone
line splitter, a simple Y connection. The joint of the Y is the same
phone line, and it doesnt matter which leg you use for what.

It certainly cannot hurt to use them as marked, but it simply doesnt
matter which you use for what. You can be a conformist, or a rebel. :)
 
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>
> The second, 'phone', jack provides a place to plug your phone into, hence
> the name, since you used up the one on the wall with the modem cord. The
> 'phone' jack is also disconnected when the modem goes off hook to prevent
> you from screwing up the connection by mistakenly trying to use the phone
> at the same time.
>
> As such, no, you can't use both. If you try to use the 'phone' jack for
the
> modem connection to the wall you'll never get a dial tone since it's
> disconnected simultaneously with the modem going off hook. You'll get:
> click_________________________________________________________________
>

Thanks to all of you! From now on, I will always use the line jack for
connecting to the internet as suggested by the manual of my modem (but they
didn't explain why🙂)
 
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:51:26 -0600, Wayne Fulton <nospam@invalid.com>
wrote:

>In article <Xns9604DD4C4192Fwisdomfolly@151.164.30.44>,
>jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing.com says...
>
>>Also, I suppose a perfectionist
>>might get confused if he (or she) isn't told which jack to plug into
>>the wall.
>
>That reason must be the most of it. The two connectors are just a phone
>line splitter, a simple Y connection. The joint of the Y is the same
>phone line, and it doesnt matter which leg you use for what.
>
>It certainly cannot hurt to use them as marked, but it simply doesnt
>matter which you use for what. You can be a conformist, or a rebel. :)

It may vary by the model. My current AOpen modem is as you and JD
describe, but some of the models in the past had the connectors very
different in operation. Having them backwards on those would give me
a dead phone, and an error complaining about no dial tone. Given
there are at least two variations that I know of, it just seemed safer
to suggest a method that works for both the variations I'm aware of.
Anyways, plug it in any way you want, if it doesn't work, you can
always swap the cables later.
---------------------------------------------

MCheu
 
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"MCheu" <mpcheu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lovm11tvu4689orpdv2bemqmc1uoock0u3@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:51:26 -0600, Wayne Fulton <nospam@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <Xns9604DD4C4192Fwisdomfolly@151.164.30.44>,
>>jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing.com says...
>>
>>>Also, I suppose a perfectionist
>>>might get confused if he (or she) isn't told which jack to plug into
>>>the wall.
>>
>>That reason must be the most of it. The two connectors are just a phone
>>line splitter, a simple Y connection. The joint of the Y is the same
>>phone line, and it doesnt matter which leg you use for what.
>>
>>It certainly cannot hurt to use them as marked, but it simply doesnt
>>matter which you use for what. You can be a conformist, or a rebel. :)
>
> It may vary by the model. My current AOpen modem is as you and JD
> describe, but some of the models in the past had the connectors very
> different in operation. Having them backwards on those would give me
> a dead phone, and an error complaining about no dial tone. Given
> there are at least two variations that I know of, it just seemed safer
> to suggest a method that works for both the variations I'm aware of.
> Anyways, plug it in any way you want, if it doesn't work, you can
> always swap the cables later.
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> MCheu

My old SupraMax modem is the same, you will get 'no dial tone' errors if you
plug the line into the phone side 🙂
 
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In article <lovm11tvu4689orpdv2bemqmc1uoock0u3@4ax.com>, mpcheu@yahoo.com
says...

>It may vary by the model. My current AOpen modem is as you and JD
>describe, but some of the models in the past had the connectors very
>different in operation. Having them backwards on those would give me
>a dead phone, and an error complaining about no dial tone. Given
>there are at least two variations that I know of, it just seemed safer
>to suggest a method that works for both the variations I'm aware of.
>Anyways, plug it in any way you want, if it doesn't work, you can
>always swap the cables later.


Yes, it conceivably might vary, in that modems in the old days did often
use a relay to disconnect the phone jack when the modem was in use, to
prevent extraneous sound from interfering. Obviously that relay would make
a big difference to use of that jack.

But todays modems are constructed much cheaper, and dont spend money on
such relays which are not actually required, and so which jack is used wont
matter today.
 
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Wayne Fulton wrote:

> In article <Xns9604DD4C4192Fwisdomfolly@151.164.30.44>,
> jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing.com says...
>
>
>>Also, I suppose a perfectionist
>>might get confused if he (or she) isn't told which jack to plug into
>>the wall.
>
>
> That reason must be the most of it. The two connectors are just a phone
> line splitter, a simple Y connection. The joint of the Y is the same
> phone line, and it doesnt matter which leg you use for what.
>
> It certainly cannot hurt to use them as marked, but it simply doesnt
> matter which you use for what. You can be a conformist, or a rebel. :)
>

There may be some el-cheapos that just 'Y' the connectors (super cheap ones
don't even put the second jack on) but most disconnect the 'phone' jack
when the modem goes off hook to prevent the user from screwing up the
connection with the phone.
 
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