Discussion: Nvidia Pascal

[turkey3_scratch]

Isn't than for pro card usually need higher amount of VRAM? Isn't that 4GB too limiting?

That was my thinking. Seems kind of silly when the R9 390 which will be probably 1/4 of the price has double the VRAM.

 

[BadActor]

We might be one step closer to Pascal if this news is true:

http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/21927-nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-och-gtx-980-ersatts-av-pascal-med-gddr5x-till-computex

Makes sense that they will be released around Computex. What is surprising to me is that the first cards to be released would be the GTX 970/980 replacements (GTX 1070/1080). Hope this information is correct.

 

[stavrosmast]

We will have to wait a few days to see..

 

[renz496]

So nvidia going back with FP64 rated at half their FP32 with GP100. almost twice as fast intel latest phi in DP?

 

[stavrosmast]

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-tesla-p100-gpu/

 

[lieutenantfrost]

So they have shifted the release to computex now?

 

[renz496]

GTC is not a gaming event. They usually launch geforce on separate event. Last year they launch titan x at GTC15 but the titan series was semi pro card. By the looks of it the next titan might only coming out next year. (Even some servers using GP100 only going to be available in Q1 next year).

 

[Neurodrive]

So they have shifted the release to computex now?

Ugh I've been delaying updating my gpu for months because the assumed announcement would be today. Now I either buck up and get a 980ti or wait almost another 2 months for maybe getting a solid release schedule and specs (and still obviously having to wait for the actual release + lag time for stock shortages).

 

[mr91]

GTC is not a gaming event. They usually launch geforce on separate event. Last year they launch titan x at GTC15 but the titan series was semi pro card. By the looks of it the next titan might only coming out next year. (Even some servers using GP100 only going to be available in Q1 next year).

Looks like we will need to wait until 2017 to get pascal Titan...

 

[renz496]

So i was right about we might not get much info about pascal on GTC. nvidia probably will not going to make any big moves until they see some official numbers for polaris.

 

[garneroutlaw]

So i was right about we might not get much info about pascal on GTC. nvidia probably will not going to make any big moves until they see some official numbers for polaris.

I would agree with that statement. Nvidia is miles ahead of AMD with the disaster of the Fury/nano. Nvidia has the marketshare by the neck, and they have no reason to make any risky moves to allow being one up'd by AMD. Nvidia will play it safe and not rush a product to market like AMD may be forced to yet again.

 

[Doomjoon]

I wonder whether will contemporary PCI-E standards be enough for Pascal though. Especially for those like me having a Z170, since the best you can do for SLI is x8/x8.

 

[Gnosis-121]

Ok, how long will it take to launch a mobile version of tesla? 6 months? a year? If you were to buy a high end laptop would you wait that long or buy now. Note that I am on an ancient 8 year old laptop, but willing to spend. And what about upgradability?

 

[lieutenantfrost]

Someone had posted in a thread the other day that NVlink is for corporate servers and we would never see it on the consumer side with pascal. I was expecting a pascal announcement today, if they are going to wait till computex that means no pascal till christmas and then only in limited availability. Or they could push it till next year as Mr91 suggested above. Perhaps a new chipset requirement in conjunction to facilitate the superior PCI tech, I didn't think that skylake would be so shortlived but now Im not so sure.

 

[Gnosis-121]

Someone had posted in a thread the other day that NVlink is for corporate servers and we would never see it on the consumer side with pascal. I was expecting a pascal announcement today, if they are going to wait till computex that means no pascal till christmas and then only in limited availability. Or they could push it till next year as Mr91 suggested above. Perhaps a new chipset requirement in conjunction to facilitate the superior PCI tech, I didn't think that skylake would be so shortlived but now Im not so sure.

The announcement was so underwhelming that I expect the share to take a hit as well. Unless formula E holds the price. Without a full commercial product lineup now (2 3 months at most) this is just smoke and mirrors. I'll probably get a 980 laptop and wait for this in 2 or 3 years to mature and for the dust to settle.

 

[mr91]

Someone had posted in a thread the other day that NVlink is for corporate servers and we would never see it on the consumer side with pascal. I was expecting a pascal announcement today, if they are going to wait till computex that means no pascal till christmas and then only in limited availability. Or they could push it till next year as Mr91 suggested above. Perhaps a new chipset requirement in conjunction to facilitate the superior PCI tech, I didn't think that skylake would be so shortlived but now Im not so sure.

Big Pascal will most likely be introduced next year based on the info that we got...
I thought this would happen after the release of the Quadro M6000 and mentioned this in this thread...

There is a chance that a lower end Pascal will be introduced this year and possibly be faster than the Titan X however only Nvidia knows lol

I will probably wait until the Pascal Titan comes out to upgrade...

 

[renz496]

Midrange pascal will surely come out this year. They will not going to let polaris unanswered. GP100 will go head to head with AMD's Vega next year.

 

[mr91]

Midrange pascal will surely come out this year. They will not going to let polaris unanswered. GP100 will go head to head with AMD's Vega next year.

What if polaris is delayed?

I wouldn't be surprised if Polaris is slower than the 980 ti...

 

[lieutenantfrost]

Im actually quite puzzled that there was no real announcement at GTC, that, coupled with no pascal on display at CES makes me wonder if there hasn't been some production problem or issue that they are keeping under wraps. As mentioned above they essentially have nothing new in the pipe for Q2 earnings. Shareholders won't like that and I can't see them making a decision like that by accident. I also can't see them pulling a pascal out of a hat at computex if they haven't even had a working model to display as yet and then have it available to vendors 6 weeks later.

to me it looks like maybe we get some kinda announcement at computex, a working model on display for the start of Q4 and a 2017 release

 

[mr91]

Select Universities/institutions will be able to use the below system in the near future however the rest of us will need to wait...


http://www.nvidia.com/object/deep-learning-system.html to select universities/Institutions

The P100 chips that will be released next year looks like a huge upgrade however a midrange offering might not be enough to compel users to upgrade their maxwell GPU's however we shall see..

 

[lieutenantfrost]

From reading that it seems like there will be no consumer side release for 2016

 

[mr91]

From reading that it seems like there will be no consumer side release for 2016

No consumer release of Big Pascal in 2016 however they might have a cut down pascal to replace the GTX 980.
However nobody knows for sure...

 

[renz496]

Im actually quite puzzled that there was no real announcement at GTC, that, coupled with no pascal on display at CES makes me wonder if there hasn't been some production problem or issue that they are keeping under wraps. As mentioned above they essentially have nothing new in the pipe for Q2 earnings. Shareholders won't like that and I can't see them making a decision like that by accident. I also can't see them pulling a pascal out of a hat at computex if they haven't even had a working model to display as yet and then have it available to vendors 6 weeks later.

to me it looks like maybe we get some kinda announcement at computex, a working model on display for the start of Q4 and a 2017 release

actually it will be surprising if nvidia launching new product at GTC. they never did that before. last year GTC was the only exception when they launch Titan X. and just because nvidia did not show any demo or prototype during big show (like CES or Computex or even their very own GTC) means that they have nothing or they were in sort of trouble. CES 2012 nvidia did not show anything related to kepler either. but when they finally launch 680 in march 2012 they were showing things that has been said to be impossible for nvidia to do (like being more power efficient than AMD). if anything i just think nvidia probably don't want to reveal too much until they saw AMD numbers like they did before with kepler. from there they will use strategy that will bring them the most profit. and looking how nvidia earnings and performance these few quarters i think nvidia does not have problem to convince their shareholder that they were on the right track. actually able to come out with GP100 as early as june is quite a feat already. many actually believe working big pascal won't even coming out until next year.

 

[AdmiralDonut]

Called it almost a month ago:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2970299/discussion-nvidia-pascal/page-2.html#17646460

 

[jerdle]

Nvidia will likely be mimicking AMD here - releasing the new generation 960 and 970 and/or 980 after Polaris launches in the back to school purchasing period. I don't know why people were expecting HBM2 cards from Nvidia anytime soon, following the news a month ago it became pretty clear December is the earliest HBM2 will come to consumer cards, likely January depending on how you read the charts AMD released.

That would mean cards just slightly beating the 980TI/Fury X releasing this summer. No reason for those owners to upgrade until 2017. Unless they have buckets of money and will buy for even that '1 tier' performance upgrade on the charts.