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The upcoming card surely not 980ti successor but it is most likely faster than 980ti (while consuming less). No reason to release new card if it's not faster than their previous flagship. 980 also faster than 780ti. Consumer level GP100 not available this year is not so much about HBM2 but more likely nvidia did not want to go all out from the get go and maximize the profit. I think the most awaited card by some professional probably titan pascal with unlocked DP. To be honest i'm not sure if nvidia willing to make something similar to titan titan black once more. There is high demand for such card. When nvidia EOL titan black the price actually goes up up to $1300 on newegg.
 
its a real catch 22, cause the spec show the 1080 to be inferior to the 980ti but there is going to be an effect on the pricing structure without a doubt. If they do announce at computex as the leak portends and then make the card available a week after that, its awfully close to drop the cash on a 980ti or titan X and then have it be outclassed or suffer a price cut 6 weeks later. thats no time at all really. Earlier in this thread we were saying q2 next year.
 


Was about to mention that, 980 is indeed marginally slower than 780 Ti (980 has much less CUDA cores, but the ones it does have are much more efficient).

The thing is though, Nvidia has promised a much bigger performance difference between Maxwell vs. Pascal, than with Kepler vs. Maxwell. So I do believe that the x80 can definitely compete with the 980 Ti.

Could be just wishful thinking though 😛

 
AFAIK never talk about big jump in gaming performance. What theycdid talk about was compute related (most likely about deep learning). In last week opening keynote nvidia mentions that they able to reduce the time needed to train their network down to 2 hours using pascal based machine from 25 hours when they were using maxwell.
 
Oh, I thought I saw somewhere a while ago that they did, I've probably mistaken it for gaming performance, must've been looking at SGEMM scores or something.

Still, does that really not account for anything gaming-related?
 

Where did you see that exactly in the article you linked?

Here's the full text:
Nvidia is ready to announce its Maxwell-based Pascal graphics cards at Computex 2016 from May 31-June 4, with graphics card players including Asustek Computer, Gigabyte Technology and Micro-Star International (MSI) showcasing their reference board products, according to sources from graphics card players.

The graphics card players will begin mass shipping their Pascal graphics cards in July and they expect the new-generation graphics card to increase their shipments and profits in the third quarter, the sources noted.

Nvidia initially plans to reveal GPUs including GeForce GTX 1080 and 1070 at Computex 2016 and has already begun to clear inventory of its existing GPUs to prepare for the next-generation products.

The sources pointed out that the graphics card market continues to see weak demand in the first half and most players' shipments in the second quarter are expected to drop around 10% from the first.

Meanwhile, AMD has prepared Polaris-based GPUs to compete against Nvidia's Pascal; however, the GPUs will be released later than Nvidia's Pascal and therefore the graphics card players' third-quarter performance will mainly be driven by demand for their Nvidia products.

In 2015, worldwide graphics card shipments dropped below 30 million units because of shrinking demand and rapid exchange rate fluctuations, which caused demand from Russia and Latin America to drop sharply. However, with increasing demand from the gaming and virtual reality market, the sources expects high-end graphics card to see strong performance, helping worldwide graphics card shipments to stay flat on year in 2016.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20160408PD205.html
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My son wants to buy a new gaming PC in the start of July, will the into of Pascal lower the cost of current cards like 960 or 970? I think his budget will be just under £1000.
 


even if there were official price cut it won't be big. and with nvidia there is a chance the price going up instead because of low supply (nvidia usually EOL their card much earlier to prevent massive unsold stock being accumulated and have to heavily discount them). but i imagine 960 price will be unaffected with the upcoming launch.
 
If HBM isn't going to be available until the end of the year on pascal cards, aren't the ones releasing in june gonna be kind of a "poor mans" pascal, or a sub standard card by what will be normalized pascal standards this time next year?
 
As i understand it samsung already on full swing with the HBM2 production for nvidia. But I imagine there won't be many of them and probably just enough to supply nvidia GP100. nvidia say in their GTC keynote that they are going all in for Pascal. this is to defend their position in HPC market against intel KNL (that already available to the market since late last year). So even if the early HBM2 from samsung is very expensive nvidia might swallow the pill or else they got nothing. Hence the pricing on DGX-1. Some tech sites try to make rough estimation on the cost for tesla P100 based on DGX-1 spec and pricing and most of them come up with something in the range of 10k to 15k for each P100. That is very expensive even by nvidia tesla standard.

And as it is even if there is enough HBM supply out there but as long as the memory price still high nvidia will probably not going to use them outside their highest end chip. because for the mid range the target is 1080p and below so bandwidth not really an issue. With this kind of card the cheaper GDDR5 will be more than enough for the task.
 
My reason for asking was because if you buy the initial release of pascal, or spend up for it, in a year the resale value won't be there because pascal cards at THAT time will all be using HBM. Generally people won't want the cards that don't feature the HBM
 
now my question is does everyone think the next highend gpu will be the gtx 1080 if you think about it it makes no sense it COULD be the first single card powerful enough to handle 4k and it's called the 1080?
 
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