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sorry, i was not implying you specifically. just a general trend i have seen over the whole forum over the last couple weeks :) comparing prices is a natural thing to do as the maxwell cards drop in price. i've just noticed that the expectations of the 480 seem to be getting slowly higher and higher as we get closer.

amd has stated already they are not competing with the 1070/80 so it seems a bit silly to me to hope for a card that competes with them when they have expressly said it won't. isn't a ~980 level card for $200-250 already good enough? 😀
 


No way will it match 980Ti if the pricing is correct. It would instead be priced at the same level as the 1070.
 
In a way, AMD and this next generation of cards just made everyone's future more bleak. The problem is both the major console makers are now close to confirmed with a RX 480 equivalent for Sony's 4K refresh while Microsoft may opt for a likely more useable 490 or 490X equivalent. This is bad news for PC gamers too.

Granted, the 480 initial feedback is it should be near 980 speeds and possibly 980Ti with some tweaking. For a single card set-up, this is simply not enough for today's higher end games at 4K, even with freesync, let alone future incentive for developers to innovate graphically because of console porting issues. The Xbox version may be closer to between a 1080 and 1080Ti, maybe good enough for today and freesync but very limiting. Keep in mind the capacity is pretty high with 4K TVs and the HDMI freesync shipping on these new consoles, probably 10 bit 120Hz at least for HDMI 2.1 sets and on upcoming OLEDs this would be amazing in theory.

We are still about a year from a sub $200 low power single card future proofish solution to 4K with freesync/gsync which is what is required to start a console mass production run. Yeah, the 7850 in the Xbox One is dated, but with 4K as the goal, everyone jumped the gun.

And yes, I realize HDR will make a bigger positive impact over 4K, however, the 4K aspect on all future TV sets will destroy performance across the board on native 4K consoles in many games this upcoming generation.
 


It was and it wasn't. When it launched it fell short of the GTX 8800 Ultra. However the real champ of that generation was the HD2900Pro 1GB. Mainly due to the fact that it was pretty close to the XT performance wise and the 1GB of VRAM helped is a lot of the new games, like GTA IV or Crysis.

It also helped that it was much cheaper.



Yes but that also tends to harm companies. Look at BDs product launch. That was hyped to hell and back. It was hailed as AMDs next K8 and would finally put a more competitive CPU in the market to battle against Sandy Bridge.

Hype is fine in little doses, not the massively over sized doses the hardcore fans bring out.



Not sure how it is bad news for PC gamers if the consoles catch up a bit. I mean all it does is allows devs to take better advantage of PC hardware without having to do a full customization to the PC version of the game since it will utilize more similar hardware.
 

Depends what your goals are in terms of settings and fps. If you're willing to settle for 30 fps and medium settings (which isn't uncommon for consoles), I imagine an RX 480 would be fine for 4K. I just tried out Metal Gear Solid Ground Zeroes (which happens to be the most demanding game I own) at pseudo-4K (using 4K VSR on a 1080p monitor) with an R9 380, and I was still getting ~35+ fps at high-ish settings. Now, that game is a couple years old by now, but on the other hand the 480 is set to be significantly more powerful than my 380.
 
Yeah, I would have thought that more powerful consoles will help push game development forwards to the benefit of PC gamers as most releases are cross-platform.

Of course the consoles will not actually 'catch up' with high-end gaming PCs, as by the time the most powerful console - Xbox Scorpio - is released (towards the end of 2017) the bar will have been raised well above what it is even now.

Scorpio is looking like having a 6 Tflop GPU (Polaris or Vega based) that can maybe handle 4K at about 30 fps locked, with approx medium settings for the more demanding games/game engines.

The PS4 Neo is looking like it will be weaker than the Scorpio right now and possibly even weaker than the Nintendo NX.
 
Just seems slightly premature to start ordering Polaris GPUs from this generation and possibly building based upon HDMI 2.1b which still limits 4K to 60Hz. Especially as many go with 4K OLED sets as the prices drop, there will be options for high speed freesync HDMI and a still superior USB 3.1 which also supports displayport 1.4. Right now, a SLI 1080 equivalent setup would be entry level for decent quality 4K TVs and monitors from 2017 and onwards. A single card solution for that is only a year away as well as a final flood of 4K blue ray players which these new consoles should eventually support and standardized dolby vision standards.
 
Went to Microcenter today (its 10 min from home worth the drive), tried to get them to sell me an RX 480 but they didn't bite. They did say they are in the store and they have plenty, but they are not even in the computer yet so they couldn't sell you one even if they wanted to.
 


*slips salesman extra 3 George Washingtons*
 


*salesman brings an extra 480 from "storage"*
 


*salesman gets fired*
 


*keeps 480*
 


I'm not sure you could get a salesman to even show you the box for $3. You might get him to slip you the card for an extra $15 if he was hard up. However if Microcenter was smart, they wouldn't even have the SKU entered into their system until release day.
 


And they don't, as I said the salesman tried to look it up, he knows they are physically there but they don't show yet.
 
There's been one benchmark on UserBenchmark.com of the RX 480 >http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-970-vs-AMD-RX-480/2577vs3634

unsure of overclocking on the RX 480.. still pretty good though. that highest 970 score is overclocked I'm sure. I have a Strix 970 and the factory OC gets 82.8% while manual OC gets 96.3% (idk why it reports highest is 92% in that link above, see below)

82.8% Factory OC GTX 970 ~1300MHz Core - http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/1245281

96.3% Manual OC GTX 970 (MAX) ~1500MHz Core - http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/1254300
 


Maybe they've made about a million and a half of them. It's pretty exciting I think, to have a brand new affordable card with such performance that will be available to the masses. +1 for PC gaming and AMD. Kinda makes me wish I would have just kept my 750 Ti and upgraded after the RX release. Perfect upgrade path it would have been to any one of the 3 being released. So many options.. Gotta love options.

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/radeon-rx-470-benchmarks.html

If the RX 480 is on par with GTX 970/R9 390 and RX 470 is faster than an R9 380X, I can only guess and say the RX 460 will do well to fall near the GTX 960/R9 380 in gaming performance, but I don't think it will match them. More like in between GTX 950/R9 370 and the GTX 960/R9 380.. But I'm with you guys, I wanna see actual benchmarks. Either way, for $99 and <75W it will be a bargain.
 
The most appealing part of the 460 is the no-extra plug for power thing. The level of performance it hints to deliver with no extra power is attractive to any person out there with OEM PCs and small HTPCs (I am expecting custom cards that are either low profile or smaller/single slot).

Also, just a few more hours for the NDA/embargo lift! Let's see how good Perf/$ the Polaris siblings reach.

Cheers!
 
Yep! I'm totally ready to replace my 6670!!! 🙂

Wait, what? *Hours*??? Or do you mean the 58-odd hours until Friday 1 July 2016 00:00 GMT? ;-)
 
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