Discussion: Polaris, AMD's 4th Gen GCN Architecture

[Dark Lord of Tech]

If they fix this power draw issue , a little less performance will likely come with that.

It's a shame after all the great hype.

 

[TehPenguin]

If they fix this power draw issue , a little less performance will likely come with that.

It's a shame after all the great hype.

Not necessarily as some tests showed that undervolting the 480 showed better thermals, substantially less power drawn and more sustained performance.

On a side note: your obsession with bolding everything you say reminds me of the reaper from T. Ptrattchet's books. Eeire.

 

[ex_bubblehead]

....On a side note: your obsession with bolding everything you say reminds me of the reaper from T. Ptrattchet's books. Eeire.

It's not an obsession, he has vision problems and bolding helps make the text easier to read.

 

[Turb0Yoda]

After seeing Jayztwocents benchmarks of two of those in CFX, I would still(given money and space) get two of those instead of a gtx 1080, and spend the rest of the money on steam games

 

[Mousemonkey]

After seeing Jayztwocents benchmarks of two of those in SLI, I would still(given money and space) get two of those instead of a gtx 1080, and spend the rest of the money on steam games

SLi? AMD cards? Really?

 

[17seconds]

After seeing Jayztwocents benchmarks of two of those in SLI, I would still(given money and space) get two of those instead of a gtx 1080, and spend the rest of the money on steam games

I laughed at your post, but I suspect you weren't being sarcastic. It was almost as funny as this one:

AMD gives CEO pay raise amid rising stock price
Jul 1, 2016, 8:08am CDT
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2016/07/01/amd-gives-ceo-pay-raise-amid-rising-stock-price.html?ana=yahoo

 

[Turb0Yoda]

It's an off day for me.

 

[17seconds]

By the way, AMD just bought this company to help with their graphics card performance.
http://www.hialgo.com/
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52856/amd-acquires-hialgo-works-dynamic-resoution-scaling-more/index.html
http://www.investopedia.com/stock-analysis/070216/why-amd-acquiring-graphics-specialist-hialgo-amd-intc-nvda.aspx?partner=YahooSA

 

[turkey3_scratch]

....On a side note: your obsession with bolding everything you say reminds me of the reaper from T. Ptrattchet's books. Eeire.

It's not an obsession, he has vision problems and bolding helps make the text easier to read.

Couldn't he just use a browser extension or go into browser settings to bold everything? Also, just curious, Blackbird, if you only bold your own posts because of vision problems, how do you read other people's posts? It doesn't quite make sense to me. Just wondering 😉 A browser extension seems like a good idea for you IMO.

Mindless of what people say about the RX 480, if the following conditions are met:

1) RX 480 power issue is fixed (which we know it will)
2) aftermarket cards are available

And you have a budget of $200 for a card, what card are you going to get? The RX 480 dominates this price range, it is the card to get for that price right now, as it beats the GTX 960 and the R9 380. The GTX 1060 - oh don't bring that into the conversation, we all know it is going to perform better and cost more money. If anybody thinks the GTX 1060 will be a $200 card they need to revise their thoughts. If it does happen to be a $200 card, it'll be the same performance as the RX 480. But once the RX 480 issues are addressed, it'll be a wonderful card in the price bracket.

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Very carefully , I was born blind in my left eye , and loss vision in my right due to my type 2 Diabetes. I use 2 different pairs of glasses , but they don't help very much .Sometimes it takes me a longer time to respond because of the vision issues.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Very carefully , I was born blind in my left eye , and loss vision in my right due to my type 2 Diabetes. I use 2 different pairs of glasses , but they don't help very much .Sometimes it takes me a longer time to respond because of the vision issues.

I understand, sounds rough. But wouldn't a browser extension that bolds stuff for you be simpler? Some people may view the boldness as forceful and assertive, so if you used an extension that could possibly prevent that. You can also go into Chrome > Settings > Advanced Settings > Fonts and Encoding and adjust the minimum font size from there.

I'm just trying to help you out give you an idea or so. It'd make it a lot easier for you if everything was bolded, even the text by other people.

I found the perfect extension https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/text-formatter/ejkdinejfammhgkpnhpnodbjbakfjclb?hl=en let's you bold all of Tomshardware.

 

[BurgerandChips66]

By the way, AMD just bought this company to help with their graphics card performance.
http://www.hialgo.com/
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52856/amd-acquires-hialgo-works-dynamic-resoution-scaling-more/index.html
http://www.investopedia.com/stock-analysis/070216/why-amd-acquiring-graphics-specialist-hialgo-amd-intc-nvda.aspx?partner=YahooSA

So this might lead to support for dynamic resolution scaling in their hardware/drivers perhaps? Among other things.

We've already seen it work effectively in the likes of Doom on console and in Forza 6 (Beta) on PC.

It's very useful for the consoles, but perhaps for underpowered graphics cards too.

 

[Robert Cook]

Just saying Mousemonkey, apparently that bar graph was a reddit satire of what Nvidia is planning to say. at least that is what I have heard.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Just saying Mousemonkey, apparently that bar graph was a reddit satire of what Nvidia is planning to say. at least that is what I have heard.

I don't trust any graphs like that before the release of the card. When it's an Nvidia card the majority of people seem to believe the graph and take it as a word set in stone, but when it is rumors of an AMD card the majority of people tend to say, "it should be taken as a grain of salt". But in reality, the "grain of salt" applies to both sides of the equation.

There should be no reason, anyway, to speculate where the GTX 1060 should fall under the spectrum. It should be somewhere around GTX 980 performance. Here's what's going to happen, I think: the GTX 1060 will have better performance than the RX480, and because of that people will get too hyped up and think the RX 480 is a failure. But then when they see the price the 1060 sells at, they realize what has always been true: cards are priced according to their performance.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Just saying Mousemonkey, apparently that bar graph was a reddit satire of what Nvidia is planning to say. at least that is what I have heard.

I just posted what I saw on the foreign site linked to by the other guy, if you have a problem with it then take it up with him.

 

[Sakkura]

That depends on the ratings that the connectors are rated for, it is possible that drawing too much current could cause melting. More importantly though, if the card is being marketed as a 150w card then it should be a 150w (or less) card and if it isn't then that is deceitful is it not?

Yeah but these connectors will realistically handle way over 100W just fine.

As for deceit with the rated power consumption/TDP... AMD advertises the RX 480 at 150W, where it draws around 165W at load. Nvidia advertises a 145W TDP for the GTX 970, which draws around 170W at load. So you tell me who is being more deceitful.

 

[Mousemonkey]

That depends on the ratings that the connectors are rated for, it is possible that drawing too much current could cause melting. More importantly though, if the card is being marketed as a 150w card then it should be a 150w (or less) card and if it isn't then that is deceitful is it not?

Yeah but these connectors will realistically handle way over 100W just fine.

As for deceit with the rated power consumption/TDP... AMD advertises the RX 480 at 150W, where it draws around 165W at load. Nvidia advertises a 145W TDP for the GTX 970, which draws around 170W at load. So you tell me who is being more deceitful.

When I measure the power draw for my 970's I get between 130w and 144w not 170w.

 

[Math Geek]

you know the power draw is very dependent on what model and how it is clocked. some of the mega cards easily break 250w for the 970's.

got to be more specific about what card cause there are just so many pulling so many different numbers. it's always this way. got some of the new 1080 cards breaking 250w as well already and some. all depends on the card.

but it does seem like any useful conversation on the current power draw issue is done. we're down to talking in circles, making excuses and looking to distract others from what is being shown. so i'm out for now until the conversation moves back to more level headed and intelligent forms 😀

enjoy.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Exactly, Math Geek nailed it. For instance, let's take a look at the Tomshardware review of the 980 and 970:

As can be seen, that aftermarket 970 hits 177W average while gaming. On the other hand, take a look at the whopping 980 there at 185W for the reference design, and surprisingly coming in lower is the Windforce at 173W. But wait, let's look at the spec page for the GTX 980:

Rated at 165W. So Mousemonkey, AMD is not the only company with underexaggerated power. Nvidia does it, too.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Exactly, Math Geek nailed it. For instance, let's take a look at the Tomshardware review of the 980 and 970:

As can be seen, that aftermarket 970 hits 177W average while gaming. On the other hand, take a look at the whopping 980 there at 185W for the reference design, and surprisingly coming in lower is the Windforce at 730W. But wait, let's look at the spec page for the GTX 980:

Rated at 165W. So Mousemonkey, AMD is not the only company with underexaggerated power. Nvidia does it, too.

That's an OC'd 970, or did you miss read that bit?

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Exactly, Math Geek nailed it. For instance, let's take a look at the Tomshardware review of the 980 and 970:

As can be seen, that aftermarket 970 hits 177W average while gaming. On the other hand, take a look at the whopping 980 there at 185W for the reference design, and surprisingly coming in lower is the Windforce at 730W. But wait, let's look at the spec page for the GTX 980:

Rated at 165W. So Mousemonkey, AMD is not the only company with underexaggerated power. Nvidia does it, too.

That's an OC'd 970, or did you miss read that bit?

I'm talking about the GTX 980. Do you see the reference GTX 980 which is not overclocked on that graph?

 

[Mousemonkey]

Exactly, Math Geek nailed it. For instance, let's take a look at the Tomshardware review of the 980 and 970:

As can be seen, that aftermarket 970 hits 177W average while gaming. On the other hand, take a look at the whopping 980 there at 185W for the reference design, and surprisingly coming in lower is the Windforce at 730W. But wait, let's look at the spec page for the GTX 980:

Rated at 165W. So Mousemonkey, AMD is not the only company with underexaggerated power. Nvidia does it, too.

That's an OC'd 970, or did you miss read that bit?

I'm talking about the GTX 980. Do you see the reference GTX 980 which is not overclocked on that graph?

I was talking about the 970's and so was Sakkura, so what has the 980 got to do with the price of chips?

Either way this is NOT an Nvidia thread so please keep your posts on topic as any more off topic posts will be deleted.

 

[17seconds]

Just saying Mousemonkey, apparently that bar graph was a reddit satire of what Nvidia is planning to say. at least that is what I have heard.

Those charts are being presented everywhere on the web as leaked presentation slides from Nvidia. If they are "satire", it seems that they could have done a better job than showing a +15-20% performance over a RX480. That actually seems reasonable, very likely, and not satirical at all.

 

[Ags1]

I see an custom boards coming with 175W TDP:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapphire-radeon-rx-480-nitro-oc-8192mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-37b-sp.html

It will be interesting to see how the GTX1060 compares. Hopefully we will have reviews on the paper launch day.

I note that nVidia proponents are already pointing out "their" card is more energy eficient (120W to 150W for the AMD, or even 175W for the above card). Although the proportional difference looks bad for AMD, assuming the leaked numbers for the 1060 hold true, it's not as relevant at this node compared to last generation. The absolute power differential between a R9 390 and a GTX970 was something like 130 Watts, which is a lot of heat to get rid of. But at 14/16nm the absolute differential is only 30 Watts, which is not much of a cooling or noise concern.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Take the Nvidia discussions over to the Nvidia thread people, final warning.