[SOLVED] Does a ryzen 5 3600 bottleneck a 3080?

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Hey guys I really wanna buy a 3080 but I’m seeing mixed emotions online bout the 3080 being paired with a 3600 what’s your guys thoughts I’m looking to play cod mainly and streaming
 
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The thing is tho since I have a b450 I don't have PCIe gen 4 support meaning in the future ill need a new mobo Right? if not ill honestly just ditch the whole new GPU idea and just cop a new CPU
You don't need PCIE 4.0 for a faster GPU like an RTX 3080. Right now not many product can take advantage of PCIE 4.0 and most end users have no need for PCIE 4.0 except in certain situations, like if you want to use both an M.2 NVMe SSD and add-on PCIE cards like a video capture card. When you install an M.2 NVMe SSD on your B450 motherboard, all of the PCIE x1 and x16 slots, except for the top x16 slot for your GPU, will be disabled and all that bandwidth is used by the NVMe SSD. You would need an X570 or B550 motherboard with PCIE 4.0...
You have a point but I don’t want to have to upgrade for a long while that’s why
Honestly if that is the only reason, you are better off spending less money for a lower end card that will use far less power like an RTX 3060 TI or RX 6000 equivalent for half the cost of an RTX 3080 since you are only playing at 1080p. Buy a new mid-high end card with enough GPU performance for what you want to do for the next 3-4 years instead of a single expensive power guzzling card like the RTX 3080 that you can only really use 50% of it's total performance at 1080p. In 3-4 years you can spend about the same amount for another mid-high end card that will be as fast as or faster than the RTX 3080. GPU upgrades are far less disruptive than a full motherboard and CPU swap like you were sugesting with Ryzen 6000.
 
You already have a 5700xt??

At 1080p you're probably already maxing out your cpu , the 5700xt is arguably overkill for 1080p as it stands anyway.

I would certainly wait a few months for prices to stabilise and/or drop, gpu's at the minute are in a flux price wise.
 
You have a point but I don’t want to have to upgrade for a long while that’s why
Understandable. I get some folks 'wanting to have the best', 'owning something top of the line', or 'just wanting to treat themselves'.
But that desire tends to throw practicality to the wind, leading to poor and misdirected spending choices.

I just wanna buy a gpu and vice for like 4 years even possibly 5 to 6
A popular want, or belief - depending on POV... on the contrary, it often doesn't work out like that.
To get a 3080 and use it for settings in which it'll never be fully utilized... over time, this won't really improve as it's a hardware limit.

So, over time you will have run a gpu that never really 'stretched it legs' during its use, and perhaps look to replace it after a few years.
^That first part is kind of a waste of money, yes?



You already have a 5700XT, and that's more of a 1440p card.
For an upgrade, I think you should look to a 5600X - or a 5900X if you're going to be making a living off of it, plus whatever the best ram config is for Ryzen 5000.
 
I mean I just don’t want to invest money on a cpu when if I were to ever have to upgrade I will never have a upgrade path so I was going to just wait for ryzen 6000 and get a new motherboard with it to future proof the new socket
 
I’m kinda stupid but your saying even tho I plan on upgrading my cpu witching the next like 6 months I still shouldn’t do it because If not mistaken A bottleneck is when a CPU is being used anywhere from 70% to 100% and the GPU only 50 to 70% so if my CPU isn’t being maxed out where is the bottleneck?
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Its not like ur cpu will be choking the <Mod Edit> outta u performance bottle neck talk is annoybihge. man whatever components you use theyre going to be pushing as hard as they can. And thats all there is to it. Dont stress so much and whomever lauhhing at you wanting to play 🌈 six siege at 3 millions fps their just mad they cant talk about their 3080. Like me lol all i have is a quadcore xeon abd a rx580 ppl will always bibbleneck their bibblesbobbles
 
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So your suggesting that I don’t get a new cpu but to get a new cpu
A typo, but I know what you meant.

Either that, or wait.
Where you currently stand, and considering how much you're looking to spend, you won't gain much from doing it.
FP32 compute aside: the higher one goes in resolution, the easier the cpu's work becomes, and the harder the gpu's. Vice versa, it's the other way around.
The above is ignoring things like software/programming, ethernet, and storage limitations.

People buy cards like the RTX 30 and 2080Ti and aren't aware - or they just don't care - of how much they've wasted on it at little ol' 1080p.
1080p is a cakewalk for most of Turing and Navi. With one of those and the rule about resolution: the priority should change to faster cpu + faster memory and timings.
What's the point if you're getting 500+fps - max/average - in game, but still dip below 200 in the lows? A big ol' gpu like the 3080 does next to nothing for higher fps lows - that's cpu and ram.

I mean I just don’t want to invest money on a cpu when if I were to ever have to upgrade I will never have a upgrade path so I was going to just wait for ryzen 6000 and get a new motherboard with it to future proof the new socket
Erase the futureproofing concept from your memory, because things just don't work out that way.
It's a concept that fails.
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In a few years, there will be something that trounces the 3080 at even better pricing, or comes with features that the 3080 can't effectively make use of because it isn't equipped to do it.
Don't get hung up over that concept.
 
The thing is tho since I have a b450 I don't have PCIe gen 4 support meaning in the future ill need a new mobo Right? if not ill honestly just ditch the whole new GPU idea and just cop a new CPU
 
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The thing is tho since I have a b450 I don't have PCIe gen 4 support meaning in the future ill need a new mobo Right? if not ill honestly just ditch the whole new GPU idea and just cop a new CPU
You don't need PCIE 4.0 for a faster GPU like an RTX 3080. Right now not many product can take advantage of PCIE 4.0 and most end users have no need for PCIE 4.0 except in certain situations, like if you want to use both an M.2 NVMe SSD and add-on PCIE cards like a video capture card. When you install an M.2 NVMe SSD on your B450 motherboard, all of the PCIE x1 and x16 slots, except for the top x16 slot for your GPU, will be disabled and all that bandwidth is used by the NVMe SSD. You would need an X570 or B550 motherboard with PCIE 4.0 to avoid losing PCIE slots when installing an M.2 NVMe SSD and any other add-on cards that are not using top PCIE x16 slot.

It seems like you are rushing to upgrade without knowing what you need or why you think you need it, other than trying to get higher fps. If you think you will need both an NVMe SSD and add-on cards, your best option would be to upgrade the motherboard when you get the CPU. Otherwise if you just want to upgrade the CPU to Ryzen 5000, hold on and wait for the bios update to be released for your B450 motherboard and see if anyone has issues. If you still want to upgrade the GPU, wait a couple month or more when there is more stock of both Nvidia and AMD cards and prices are more stable.
 
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You don't need PCIE 4.0 for a faster GPU like an RTX 3080. Right now not many product can take advantage of PCIE 4.0 and most end users have no need for PCIE 4.0 except in certain situations, like if you want to use both an M.2 NVMe SSD and add-on PCIE cards like a video capture card. When you install an M.2 NVMe SSD on your B450 motherboard, all of the PCIE x1 and x16 slots, except for the top x16 slot for your GPU, will be disabled and all that bandwidth is used by the NVMe SSD. You would need an X570 or B550 motherboard with PCIE 4.0 to avoid losing PCIE slots when installing an M.2 NVMe SSD and any other add-on cards that are not using top PCIE x16 slot.

It seems like you are rushing to upgrade without knowing what you need or why you think you need it, other than trying to get higher fps. If you think you will need both an NVMe SSD and add-on cards, your best option would be to upgrade the motherboard when you get the CPU. Otherwise if you just want to upgrade the CPU to Ryzen 5000, hold on and wait for the bios update to be released for your B450 motherboard and see if anyone has issues. If you still want to upgrade the GPU, wait a couple month or more when there is more stock of both Nvidia and AMD cards and prices are more stable.

Thats not actually true, I have a B350 board with an sx8200 pro and it only disables a single 4 x pci express slot.

Everything else remains useable on the board.
 
Thats not actually true, I have a B350 board with an sx8200 pro and it only disables a single 4 x pci express slot.

Everything else remains useable on the board.
That may be for your board, but not all the B350 and 450 boards have that option. I actually had a look at the manual for the OPs B450 Tomahawk, which what I meant when I said "your motherboard", but it looks I had actually been looking at the wrong motherboard manual on my hard drive (was for my MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC) when I said that, because the Tomahawk has only a single M.2 slot that disables two SATA ports. Dual M.2 motherboards actually do disable PCIE slots to use those PCIE lanes for the NVMe drives. The MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC is one of those boards with dual M.2. I'm going to be upgrading to an X570 when I get my Ryzen 7 5800X, because of these issues.
 
Ok thanks a lot but I don’t mean to bother you guys but do you guys think I should wait to see what amd has to offer I know they will be really good performance wise but idk if I wanna take he risk with the previous driver issues and stuff
 
I, at least, think you should wait.

Also, perhaps start giving new products a few months 'grace period'. Let all the impatient ones do the 'beta testing'.
Early adopter problems happen without fail. Look at what happened with the Series X/S and PS5: storage and disc drive failures are a couple of them. Plus, with the shortages, folks with defective units are boned.
 
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I, at least, think you should wait.

Also, perhaps start giving new products a few months 'grace period'. Let all the impatient ones do the 'beta testing'.
Early adopter problems happen without fail. Look at what happened with the Series X/S and PS5: storage and disc drive failures are a couple of them. Plus, with the shortages, folks with defective units are boned.

I also think he should wait.

As I said before prices are in flux, a lot of stuff isn't available, the amd cards are now due BUT do not expect a lot of stock.
Pricea will remain high because of supply and demand.

Honestly if you had an old card that's not cutting it at the moment it may be the right time to buy.

You however have a 5700xt which for 1080p gaming is still absolutely top tier at the very least.

You can afford to wait imo.
 
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well currently there is alot of benchmarks out and I'm seeing some different numbers some vids show 6800xt some show 3080 based off the fact that I stream whats the move in your guys opinions ?
 
well currently there is alot of benchmarks out and I'm seeing some different numbers some vids show 6800xt some show 3080 based off the fact that I stream whats the move in your guys opinions ?
Keep waiting. You can't buy an RTX 3080 or RX 6800 XT yet anyway. Everything is out of stock everywhere and will probably be out of stock for months as people buy up whatever becomes available.
 
dang i understand there is a lot of people wanting this card lol but shouldn't these manufactures be able to produce these like crazy I'm not to smart if you cant already tell lol